Pilgrim's HR 3200 Must Read Pages

Manipulation at it's finest.

"Your Life, Your Choices" presents end-of-life choices in a way aimed at steering users toward predetermined conclusions, much like a political "push poll." For example, a worksheet on page 21 lists various scenarios and asks users to then decide whether their own life would be "not worth living."

The circumstances listed include ones common among the elderly and disabled: living in a nursing home, being in a wheelchair and not being able to "shake the blues." There is a section which provocatively asks, "Have you ever heard anyone say, 'If I'm a vegetable, pull the plug'?" There also are guilt-inducing scenarios such as "I can no longer contribute to my family's well being," "I am a severe financial burden on my family" and that the vet's situation "causes severe emotional burden for my family."

When the government can steer vulnerable individuals to conclude for themselves that life is not worth living, who needs a death panel?

One can only imagine a soldier surviving the war in Iraq and returning without all of his limbs only to encounter a veteran's health-care system that seems intent on his surrender.

Jim Towey: The Death Book for Veterans - WSJ.com

Lying at its finest.
This lie was addressed on another thread.

A perfect example of just how CON$ lie by telling just enough truth and then shutting up. The so called "push poll" actually gives you more choices than the one the dishonest CON$ say is "pushed." 4 choices in fact.

From Pg 21:
The best liar is he who makes the smallest amount of lying go the longest way.
Samuel Butler

Ain't buying your one size fits all solution to the health care problem. It is Totalitarian, it is final. There is no recourse or alternative to the chains you impose. Learn to sell lemon aid, without bankrupting yourself.

Your non-answer not only conceds the point to me, it is also an example of the first quote in my sig.
Your post gave a one answer fits all misrepresentation of the pamphlet's 4 choices, and then you project your behavior on me for giving all 4 choices.
CON$ are soooooooooo predictable!
 
Lying at its finest.
This lie was addressed on another thread.

Ain't buying your one size fits all solution to the health care problem. It is Totalitarian, it is final. There is no recourse or alternative to the chains you impose. Learn to sell lemon aid, without bankrupting yourself.

Your non-answer not only conceds the point to me, it is also an example of the first quote in my sig.
Your post gave a one answer fits all misrepresentation of the pamphlet's 4 choices, and then you project your behavior on me for giving all 4 choices.
CON$ are soooooooooo predictable!

My Response was not an answer to any question. I renounce you, your limitations, and your kangaroo court. I don't give a rats ass about your 4 choices. Incompetence has no limits or boundaries, Government control is no exception, that is why it is enumerated.
As far as me projecting any behavior on you, you have it wrong, I'm just rattling your chains. Keep on scheming your way to the top with other peoples money, don't mind me.
 
Ain't buying your one size fits all solution to the health care problem. It is Totalitarian, it is final. There is no recourse or alternative to the chains you impose. Learn to sell lemon aid, without bankrupting yourself.

Your non-answer not only conceds the point to me, it is also an example of the first quote in my sig.
Your post gave a one answer fits all misrepresentation of the pamphlet's 4 choices, and then you project your behavior on me for giving all 4 choices.
CON$ are soooooooooo predictable!

My Response was not an answer to any question. I renounce you, your limitations, and your kangaroo court. I don't give a rats ass about your 4 choices. Incompetence has no limits or boundaries, Government control is no exception, that is why it is enumerated.
As far as me projecting any behavior on you, you have it wrong, I'm just rattling your chains. Keep on scheming your way to the top with other peoples money, don't mind me.

Looks like I struck a nerve. :lol:
 
Your non-answer not only conceds the point to me, it is also an example of the first quote in my sig.
Your post gave a one answer fits all misrepresentation of the pamphlet's 4 choices, and then you project your behavior on me for giving all 4 choices.
CON$ are soooooooooo predictable!

My Response was not an answer to any question. I renounce you, your limitations, and your kangaroo court. I don't give a rats ass about your 4 choices. Incompetence has no limits or boundaries, Government control is no exception, that is why it is enumerated.
As far as me projecting any behavior on you, you have it wrong, I'm just rattling your chains. Keep on scheming your way to the top with other peoples money, don't mind me.

Looks like I struck a nerve. :lol:

Dishonesty and theft usually do strike nerves.
 
My Response was not an answer to any question. I renounce you, your limitations, and your kangaroo court. I don't give a rats ass about your 4 choices. Incompetence has no limits or boundaries, Government control is no exception, that is why it is enumerated.
As far as me projecting any behavior on you, you have it wrong, I'm just rattling your chains. Keep on scheming your way to the top with other peoples money, don't mind me.

Looks like I struck a nerve. :lol:

Dishonesty and theft usually do strike nerves.

More projection.
 
My Response was not an answer to any question. I renounce you, your limitations, and your kangaroo court. I don't give a rats ass about your 4 choices. Incompetence has no limits or boundaries, Government control is no exception, that is why it is enumerated.
As far as me projecting any behavior on you, you have it wrong, I'm just rattling your chains. Keep on scheming your way to the top with other peoples money, don't mind me.

Looks like I struck a nerve. :lol:

Dishonesty and theft usually do strike nerves.

:rofl:

There's some rep coming to you.
 
Looks like I struck a nerve. :lol:

Dishonesty and theft usually do strike nerves.

:rofl:

There's some rep coming to you.

Too cowardly to defend your "must read pages" that YOU NEVER read yourself, you are reduced to letting others take a beating for you.

Still waiting for you to reject your false pg 203 claim, as you promised to do if others read the bill for you and could show any misrepresentation in your unattributed Copy & Paste.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...84914-pilgrims-hr-3200-must-read-pages-5.html
 
Under Obama care they will use eminent domain policies to remove kidneys and other organs from the poor or republicans for transplants to give to rich democrat donors!!! Page 640 HR. 3200
 
Under Obama care they will use eminent domain policies to remove kidneys and other organs from the poor or republicans for transplants to give to rich democrat donors!!! Page 640 HR. 3200

Their Data Base is going to, does already have access to all medical records.
 
Under Obama care they will use eminent domain policies to remove kidneys and other organs from the poor or republicans for transplants to give to rich democrat donors!!! Page 640 HR. 3200

Their Data Base is going to, does already have access to all medical records.

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you have done your homework on this and I appreciate it greatly. I know that someone mentioned at one time the access to your bank accounts and others did not beleive it.

This is not about health care reform, it's very clear it's about control of the American people. Health insurance reform can happen with just some common sense legislation that would not cost the government or taxpayers a dime. This liberal socialistic president and his cronies do not want common sense, they want control and power over the people.
 
you have done your homework on this and I appreciate it greatly. I know that someone mentioned at one time the access to your bank accounts and others did not beleive it.

This is not about health care reform, it's very clear it's about control of the American people. Health insurance reform can happen with just some common sense legislation that would not cost the government or taxpayers a dime. This liberal socialistic president and his cronies do not want common sense, they want control and power over the people.

They won't believe it until the Returned Checks start flooding in, wrecking all they hold dear.
 
you have done your homework on this and I appreciate it greatly. I know that someone mentioned at one time the access to your bank accounts and others did not beleive it.

This is not about health care reform, it's very clear it's about control of the American people. Health insurance reform can happen with just some common sense legislation that would not cost the government or taxpayers a dime. This liberal socialistic president and his cronies do not want common sense, they want control and power over the people.


They didn't believe it because it isn't true. We already went over this. The providers' accounts are on record so they can be paid.
 
you have done your homework on this and I appreciate it greatly. I know that someone mentioned at one time the access to your bank accounts and others did not beleive it.

This is not about health care reform, it's very clear it's about control of the American people. Health insurance reform can happen with just some common sense legislation that would not cost the government or taxpayers a dime. This liberal socialistic president and his cronies do not want common sense, they want control and power over the people.


They didn't believe it because it isn't true. We already went over this. The providers' accounts are on record so they can be paid.

Sorry maple but a few of us went through the language and found out that this isn't the case....at least not in that version of the bill....who knows how the language will change after their awesomely long summer vacation.

That was the spirit of the thread...take the claims about the page numbers and check them back to the bill via the link i posted.

The spirit never took hold though, everyone just decided to fight over talking point memos from the left and right instead.
 

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