Pilgrim's HR 3200 Must Read Pages

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    HR 3200 you can quick jump to the pages in this pdf pretty easily.

    Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option! So much for choice

    Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure (irs bully tactic)

    Page 29: Sounds like rationing is being discussed

    Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

    Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.

    Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

    Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.

    Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

    Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree health plans (example: SEIU, UAW)

    Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.

    Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)

    Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

    Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.

    Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

    Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.

    Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.

    Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.

    Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll

    Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll

    Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.

    Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).

    Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.

    Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that.)

    Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."

    Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)

    Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.

    Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.

    Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

    Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!

    Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.

    Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.

    Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!

    Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.

    Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other word ACORN or similar organizations will have leverage

    Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures

    Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.

    Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.

    Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).

    Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?

    Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.

    Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.

    Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.

    Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates.. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.

    Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.

    Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more leverage for ACORN.

    Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more leverage for ACORN.

    Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government has the right to intervene in your marriage.

    This Bill really sucks
     
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    Stop fearmongering by informing us of what's actually in the bill! How DARE you repeat it! Only your betters, i.e., lib scumbags in office approved by the pres, are supposed to know that stuff!
     
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    :rofl:

    I know right...how dare I stop listening to the left and right wing talking points and actually READ the bill myself then pass on what I read :lol:

    I have a big write up interpreting using sections instead of pages too, its hard to do you have to go back to previous sections to see what they are referring to in latter sections. You also have to have access to older laws and studies that the 3200 bill uses. They refer back to a 2008 study on preventative medicine for example....and they do this to say what type of preventative services will be covered under the govt plan and what types individuals will still have to pay for themselves.

    This bill really sucks when you read and comprehend it.
     
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    George Orwell could have benefited from this in his writings. The Oligarchy has spoken. Why do we question? :eusa_hand:
     
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    Is it possible that we have an administration that wants judicial review for terrorist prisoners in Gitmo, but not for American citizens?


    WILL THE PLAN RATION MEDICAL CARE?

    This is what the bill says, pages 284-288, SEC. 1151. REDUCING POTENTIALLY PREVENTABLE HOSPITAL READMISSIONS:

    ‘(ii) EXCLUSION OF CERTAIN READMISSIONS.—For purposes of clause (i), with respect to a hospital, excess readmissions shall not include readmissions for an applicable condition for which there are fewer than a minimum number (as determined by the Secretary) of discharges for such applicable condition for the applicable period and such hospital.
    ‘‘(6) LIMITATIONS ON REVIEW.—There shall be no administrative or judicial review under section 1869, section 1878, or otherwise of— . . .
    ‘‘(C) the measures of readmissions . . .

    There can be no judicial review of decisions made here. The Secretary is above the courts.

    The Health Care Bill
     
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    Not for Union or Government employees. What if we reversed the part about Us supplementing Their Plans, and make them subsidize our plans? Nah. I wouldn't do that to anybody. It's like armed robbery.
     
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    There is so much about this bill that gets me pissed. But having the taxpayers fund the union retirees is just another connect the dots on how the Community Organizer in the White House operates. And as we watched the conflict get louder, Obama called out his army and media goons. Their method is to intimidate and silence those against this health care reform bill. Katy Abram, the housewife that spoke at the Arlen Spector, Lebanon, PA town hall meeting, is getting a taste of how nasty these people can be.
     
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    keep reading through the bill people.:clap2:

    There are plenty of things that should give both democrats and republicans reason to want to pause and have this bill gone over with a fine tooth comb.
     
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    I'm enjoying all this town hall noise. It's about time real Americans stood up and made some noise. Where were all you people during the election? You knew it was coming. We could have elected a liberal Republican instead of a pure socialist. LOL. If real hardworking, taxpaying Americans can stand up and defeat this socialistic move by this goofball president, we might just make it. Keep the momentum going for another 16 months, then take his power away by voting out all these idiots who even thought about voting for this crap, and we'll be ok. I'm feeling better every day.
     
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    i'm thinking of making a more in depth version of this thread....connecting the various parts of the bill to each other for people....is anyone interested in that or would i be wasting my time?
     

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