Photo of 'napalm girl' from Vietnam War turns 40

Some documentary talked about that picture of her running screaming down the road naked where the editor didn't wanna publish it because of the nudity until it was explained she's only naked because the napalm incinerated her clothes. Context matters.

Like the lucky photograph by the AP catching the Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima in the Pacific in World War II came to symbolize American involvement and patriotism during that war, the iconic photo of that young child running down the road screaming because napalm has burned her clothing off, was one of thee such photograph's which helped turn the American public opinion against the Vietnam War. The other two were a montage of a South Vietnam officer in uniform, shooting a suspected Viet Cong member in civilian clothes on a Saigon street through the head, published in Newsweek Magazine, the other was the Life Magazine issue, containing no advertising whatsoever, printed with nothing but the high school graduation and / or military enlistment photographs, all in black & white, of the 700 plus American boys killed the previous week in Vietnam. So forever young.

Although the war allegedly was broadcast into our homes on the 6:00pm news nightly, when Vanderbilt University, the largest repository for television records in the world, did a survey of what was actually being shown during that era, very little combat or gore was on the tv, unlike the two photos and the Life magazine issue. What we normally saw were choppers leaving the ground, no combat fire at, or from them; wounded smoking cigarettes laying on the ground as they were awaiting evacuation; soldiers running, and shooting occasionally off into the jungle, but no footage of what they were shooting at; aircraft roaring in and dropping napalm and fire bombs on jungles, again without human victim's being shown, and villages going up in smoke in the background of the reporter, announcing where the military had attacked. It became such a regular thing, that people got the impression that we were seeing a war in our living rooms nightly, when in fact, we were not being shown anything controversial at all. However that little girl; the cold blooded murder on a city street montage, and the Life Magazine issue did much more than anything else, including the hippie war protester's marching in the street, to turn American public opinion from a 56% favorable rating for our involvement there, to less than 40%, and it happened almost overnight. Magazine, periodicals and newspapers were giving way to television news during Vietnam (actually since about 1959 they were losing their popularity), however, this photographs had the shock value that tv never could have to galvanize American public opinion against the war.

BTW, German author Kurt Vonnegut, of "Slaughterhouse Five" was a steadfast war protester in America during Vietnam - he was a 7-year old child who survived the American-British destruction fire bombing of the city of Dresden in Germany, hiding in the underground sewers during World War II. He was particularly vocal and active against the use of Agent Orange and napalm by America's military................
 
Some documentary talked about that picture of her running screaming down the road naked where the editor didn't wanna publish it because of the nudity until it was explained she's only naked because the napalm incinerated her clothes. Context matters.

Like the lucky photograph by the AP catching the Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima in the Pacific in World War II came to symbolize American involvement and patriotism during that war, the iconic photo of that young child running down the road screaming because napalm has burned her clothing off, was one of thee such photograph's which helped turn the American public opinion against the Vietnam War. The other two were a montage of a South Vietnam officer in uniform, shooting a suspected Viet Cong member in civilian clothes on a Saigon street through the head, published in Newsweek Magazine, the other was the Life Magazine issue, containing no advertising whatsoever, printed with nothing but the high school graduation and / or military enlistment photographs, all in black & white, of the 700 plus American boys killed the previous week in Vietnam. So forever young.

Although the war allegedly was broadcast into our homes on the 6:00pm news nightly, when Vanderbilt University, the largest repository for television records in the world, did a survey of what was actually being shown during that era, very little combat or gore was on the tv, unlike the two photos and the Life magazine issue. What we normally saw were choppers leaving the ground, no combat fire at, or from them; wounded smoking cigarettes laying on the ground as they were awaiting evacuation; soldiers running, and shooting occasionally off into the jungle, but no footage of what they were shooting at; aircraft roaring in and dropping napalm and fire bombs on jungles, again without human victim's being shown, and villages going up in smoke in the background of the reporter, announcing where the military had attacked. It became such a regular thing, that people got the impression that we were seeing a war in our living rooms nightly, when in fact, we were not being shown anything controversial at all. However that little girl; the cold blooded murder on a city street montage, and the Life Magazine issue did much more than anything else, including the hippie war protester's marching in the street, to turn American public opinion from a 56% favorable rating for our involvement there, to less than 40%, and it happened almost overnight. Magazine, periodicals and newspapers were giving way to television news during Vietnam (actually since about 1959 they were losing their popularity), however, this photographs had the shock value that tv never could have to galvanize American public opinion against the war.

BTW, German author Kurt Vonnegut, of "Slaughterhouse Five" was a steadfast war protester in America during Vietnam - he was a 7-year old child who survived the American-British destruction fire bombing of the city of Dresden in Germany, hiding in the underground sewers during World War II. He was particularly vocal and active against the use of Agent Orange and napalm by America's military................

Actually the Marines raising the flag pic was a staged reinactment. They'd raised the flag first but no one got the shot. So they re-did it. :)
 
the current experiments with anthrax endospores relate to the development of vaccines against this agent

So you claim, but America still has a massive stockpile of chemical weapons.
U.S. to destroy largest remaining chemical weapons cache

Even after massive usage of chemical weapons (commonly against civilians), the US maintains a large stockpile of these illegal munitions.
It claims to be destroying them, but is just getting rid of old stuff, probably keeping many more.

I have no link to it, and don't even remember the source, but once heard a debate with some military-types, retirees, and one of them who would have been in a position to know, actually commented that the strange Area 51 in Nevada, is, in fact, a major storage facility for biological and chemical weapons. It was Number 2 on the pyramid of areas that had to be have security doubled after 9/11. Civilians who work there fly in daily from Los Angeles, do whatever it is they do, the airliner is charter, with no tickets sold, and are flown back to Los Angeles at the end of the day. They have military coverage, and speak to nobody. When Homeland Security was created - Area 51 was right up there as a top terrorist target, and if the information is true, and it is from the Bush-era, obviously any terrorist attack there could possibly infect the entire country. Sounded quite plausible to me - the highway running past the place, surprisingly, is a tourist attraction, but try to advance past the fenceline, and you will be shot............
 
Some documentary talked about that picture of her running screaming down the road naked where the editor didn't wanna publish it because of the nudity until it was explained she's only naked because the napalm incinerated her clothes. Context matters.

Like the lucky photograph by the AP catching the Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima in the Pacific in World War II came to symbolize American involvement and patriotism during that war, the iconic photo of that young child running down the road screaming because napalm has burned her clothing off, was one of thee such photograph's which helped turn the American public opinion against the Vietnam War. The other two were a montage of a South Vietnam officer in uniform, shooting a suspected Viet Cong member in civilian clothes on a Saigon street through the head, published in Newsweek Magazine, the other was the Life Magazine issue, containing no advertising whatsoever, printed with nothing but the high school graduation and / or military enlistment photographs, all in black & white, of the 700 plus American boys killed the previous week in Vietnam. So forever young.

Although the war allegedly was broadcast into our homes on the 6:00pm news nightly, when Vanderbilt University, the largest repository for television records in the world, did a survey of what was actually being shown during that era, very little combat or gore was on the tv, unlike the two photos and the Life magazine issue. What we normally saw were choppers leaving the ground, no combat fire at, or from them; wounded smoking cigarettes laying on the ground as they were awaiting evacuation; soldiers running, and shooting occasionally off into the jungle, but no footage of what they were shooting at; aircraft roaring in and dropping napalm and fire bombs on jungles, again without human victim's being shown, and villages going up in smoke in the background of the reporter, announcing where the military had attacked. It became such a regular thing, that people got the impression that we were seeing a war in our living rooms nightly, when in fact, we were not being shown anything controversial at all. However that little girl; the cold blooded murder on a city street montage, and the Life Magazine issue did much more than anything else, including the hippie war protester's marching in the street, to turn American public opinion from a 56% favorable rating for our involvement there, to less than 40%, and it happened almost overnight. Magazine, periodicals and newspapers were giving way to television news during Vietnam (actually since about 1959 they were losing their popularity), however, this photographs had the shock value that tv never could have to galvanize American public opinion against the war.

BTW, German author Kurt Vonnegut, of "Slaughterhouse Five" was a steadfast war protester in America during Vietnam - he was a 7-year old child who survived the American-British destruction fire bombing of the city of Dresden in Germany, hiding in the underground sewers during World War II. He was particularly vocal and active against the use of Agent Orange and napalm by America's military................

Actually the Marines raising the flag pic was a staged reinactment. They'd raised the flag first but no one got the shot. So they re-did it. :)

No. the second day of the Iwo Jima fight, a squad of Marines was sent on a recon mission up Mt. Surabachi. The troops were getting massacred on the beaches of Iwo below, Japanese snipers popping out of holes because they were dug in deep in rock, and killing Marines as they passed, thinking the spot was secured. My father took a sniper bullet on Iwo that way from behind. Having terrible trouble moving inland on that smelly spit of land, dominated by the mountain where fire kept raining down, it was felt the Marines needed a morale boost, and thus the recon team. They were protected by several BAR men as they got to the top of the mountain, and there raised a small American flag. That photograph was snapped, but the flag was too small for the Marines below to see, so a second, much larger flag, was sent up there, and that one being raised is the famous AP photograph which came to symbolize World War II for America. The AP photographer was with the recon group, and major cheers rang out when the Marines below saw that flag flying atop the mountain. Unfortunately, it didn't mean the fight was over, it would rage on for about 36 more days, with the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Marine Divisions being poured into the island, suffering over 7,000 dead, to secure the island and build a runway for damaged B-29 Bombers, returning to Tinian from bombing raids over Japanese cities. About 18,000 B-29's with full crews were required to use the Iwo Jima airstrip throughout the war. Both photos of the flag raising and the story are located in the official book, given to every member of the U.S. Marines who participated in the fight. My father was in the 3'rd Marine Division, my brother still has the book, it is all B&W photos of Iwo, and not exactly censored, we all went through it as kids, raised on World War II and Western movies. Third Marine Division was on the navy ships, set to do the mop-up of Iwo Jima after the 1st and resupplied 2nd Marine Divisions pacified the island. Unfortunately, they needed the Third Marines almost immediately, because the naval bombardment didn't kill a single one of the estimated 22,000 man suicidal Japanese army entrenched in the rocks underground. There was no staging of the flag raising, the reason for raising the much larger flag was so the Marines on the beach could see it...........
 
The iconic photo most think of was the reinactment. The flag was raised, but no one got the shot. Wanting the shot, photogs asked the Marines and sailor to do it again, and that shot was what most think of now.

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"On February 23, 1945, during the battle for Iwo Jima, U.S. Marines raised a flag atop Mount Suribachi. It was taken down, and a second flag was raised. Associated Press photographer Joe Rosenthal captured this second flag-raising. Now part of U.S. Navy records, it is one of the most famous war photographs in U.S. history."
Today s Document from the National Archives
 
the current experiments with anthrax endospores relate to the development of vaccines against this agent

So you claim, but America still has a massive stockpile of chemical weapons.
U.S. to destroy largest remaining chemical weapons cache

Even after massive usage of chemical weapons (commonly against civilians), the US maintains a large stockpile of these illegal munitions.
It claims to be destroying them, but is just getting rid of old stuff, probably keeping many more.

I have no link to it, and don't even remember the source, but once heard a debate with some military-types, retirees, and one of them who would have been in a position to know, actually commented that the strange Area 51 in Nevada, is, in fact, a major storage facility for biological and chemical weapons. It was Number 2 on the pyramid of areas that had to be have security doubled after 9/11. Civilians who work there fly in daily from Los Angeles, do whatever it is they do, the airliner is charter, with no tickets sold, and are flown back to Los Angeles at the end of the day. They have military coverage, and speak to nobody. When Homeland Security was created - Area 51 was right up there as a top terrorist target, and if the information is true, and it is from the Bush-era, obviously any terrorist attack there could possibly infect the entire country. Sounded quite plausible to me - the highway running past the place, surprisingly, is a tourist attraction, but try to advance past the fenceline, and you will be shot............

yeah, SO? based on what I know about homeland security-----sounds just about right. There are ongoing studies on terrorism and ways to stem it and deal with its effects. The program is quite robust Our people have developed a somewhat useful but less than "really good " vaccine against anthrax and have developed protocols for dealing with botulinin toxin attacks ---nitrogen mustard attacks, chorine gas attacks, bombs etc etc ---- Fellow posters----in case of PIG ATTACK ---follow directions PRECISELY-----stay indoors until otherwise directed------the US government is PREPARED and there are teams of "first responders" being trained to do whatever it is that must be done
 

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