Philosophers! Which Philosopher do you think was most effective!

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Which one you think was most effective and productive?

Poll closed Oct 8, 2017.
  1. Plato

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  2. Aristotle

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  3. Confucius

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  4. Epicurus

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  5. John Locke

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    In many respects, yes. You might like F.A. Hayek's opinions on the value of tradition compared to the spectacular failure of 'rational' humanism; I don't agree with a lot of his extensions of his philosophy into economics, but his exegeses on the absurdities and fantasies of 'rationalism' are spot on. Empiricism is itself a philosophy, and very useful in limited applications, like chemistry and the like, but it's merely circular reasoning beyond its limited usefulness, certainly not at all useful to social sciences or greater cultural problems.
     
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    The so-called 'Enlightenment' thinkers usually rank high with many, at least in the U.S. anyway, because of their influence. I don't think they were all that vastly 'enlightened', except in a small incremental sense; they were certainly good propagandists, and excellent writers, though, Locke especially. I like reading him occasionally myself. Many Catholic scholars covered much of the same territory they did, in many cases they merely 'secularized' much of that work to make it more palatable to Protestant tastes.
     
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    And Rodney "Can't we all get along" King.
     
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    It's more complicated than you may appreciate.
     
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    More than likely not, but then I don't go in for 'complicated stuff' like FDR conspiracy theories and other rubbish, as you do.
     
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    What "conspiracy theories"?
     
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    Aristotle.

    The greater mass of people have no interest in the theoretical concepts, they only care for the practical.

    Aristotle prepared a temporary working hypothesis, which was bound to collapse in the long run, for people with such an attitude, even going so far as to deviate from Plato by only treating the matter aspect. As a student of Plato, he would have been familiar with the theoretical concepts. He has a parallel in Democritus, who was a student of Pythagoras, but mainly emphasized the matter aspect with his atomic theory.

    In order to successfully effect this system, Aristotle represented the pre-Socratic philosophers (i.e. Thales) as the first primitive thinkers of ancient Greece. The fact that much of our knowledge of them has come from him should have been an indication that he would have been familiar with their theoretical concepts and what they really intended. Thales, as a teacher and admirer of Pythagoras, who taught a spherical earth, would not have maintained a flat earth. His concept of the earth resting on water is thoroughly symbolic. Aristotle even called it the oldest known theory. Aristotle would have to explain to his materialistic readers how Thales could have possibly arrived at this view from a natural, physical observation.

    The prediction of eclipses has been attributed to Thales and he was said to have been the first among the Greeks to inquire into the universe. He also taught that magnets had a soul, an interesting argument which William Gilbert worked upon and paid homage to in his work on electricity. Plato listed him as one of the Lacedaemonian type philosophers, which should be distinguished from the later speculation of sophists, including Socrates, Kant, Hegel, etc.

    That we only possess fragments of the pre-Socratic sayings should have enjoined caution in assessing them. It's my opinion that even one preserved quote from one of these pre-Socratic philosophers has greater relevancy than an entire "holy" book.

    All things are changing, no man can step into the same river twice. This is in accord with the laws of science.
     
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    Of those listed, Aristotle by a long shot. The best ever, and in fact is the author of the best introductory book that should be required reading is Alfred Ayer, and his excellent Language, Truth, and Logic, which is available in its entirety over at archive.org, and at other sites around the web.

    Alfred Ayer - Language, Truth and Logic : Alfred Ayer : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

    see also ...

    A. J. Ayer - Wikipedia

    His 'death' experience is noteworthy, given his career before that.
     
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    Another plug for Ayer.
     
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    Bertrand Russell, of course!
     

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