Pharmacists can't refuse Plan B pill

[Sarah G]

If you are at the government tit as pharmacists then you must obey the rules of who has the tit.

Jeezus, they make $60 an hour and up, you'd think they could get just a little cooperative.

 

[Immanuel]

The Pharmacist is not necessarily the owner of the pharmacy. The law had to do with a pharmacist objecting to selling the Plan B pill, not whether they had it in stock.

If you are talking about the employee of the pharmacy that is a different manner. I think those of us on the opposite side from your point of view are looking at it as the owner of the pharmacy. I know that is how I see it.

If I am the employee of the pharmacy and I don't want to sell product that the owner wants to sell, then I can always quit and go elsewhere. I work for the employer. He/she does not work for me.

Immie

Well if the owner is selling birth control pills, he should have no objection to Plan B. If the owner is not selling birth control pills, he's a terrible business owner.

I'd say that really depends.

Is he serving his community? Is he providing them what they want? If so then I would say he's probably a pretty good business owner.

He should not be required to carry all products. If he does not feel he can make a profit on a particular item he should not be required to carry it. If he does not feel comfortable selling a product for any reason then he should not be required to sell it. If he has a reason for not doing so, then let him justify that to his customers. If they don't like his reasons, they are free to go elsewhere. If he made a bad decision and loses business then it is up to him to correct that.

Immie

 

[manifold]

So, in essense, they would have to refuse to carry ALL BCPs if they wanted to have a clear conscience.

Speculating about what others must do to keep a clear conscience?

Seems a bit arrogant don't you think?

 

[CurveLight]

If you are talking about the employee of the pharmacy that is a different manner. I think those of us on the opposite side from your point of view are looking at it as the owner of the pharmacy. I know that is how I see it.

If I am the employee of the pharmacy and I don't want to sell product that the owner wants to sell, then I can always quit and go elsewhere. I work for the employer. He/she does not work for me.

Immie

Since it is an emergency medication it should be a mandated item. On what basis do you justify denying a rape victim the opportunity to prevent conception from her monster attacker?

Bullshit.

The medication is effective if taken within 72 hours - 3 days - from the encounter. It doesn't take 3 days to find a friendly pharmacist.

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Emergency Contraception (Morning After Pill) - Planned Parenthood
Emergency Contraception (Morning After Pill) - Planned Parenthood

Emergency Contraception
Plan B, the one-step Emergency Contraception (EC) Pill
Emergency Contraception

Sucks to be wrong like you.

 

[Contumacious]

If you are at the government tit as pharmacists then you must obey the rules of who has the tit.

Well, you have a point there. If the pharmacists have sought government assistance in order to secure their trade - in order to acquire certain government privileges then they are at their mercy. That is the price of Faustian bargains.

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[Contumacious]

Since it is an emergency medication it should be a mandated item. On what basis do you justify denying a rape victim the opportunity to prevent conception from her monster attacker?

Bullshit.

The medication is effective if taken within 72 hours - 3 days - from the encounter. It doesn't take 3 days to find a friendly pharmacist.

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Omg, you all are really crazy..

Up to 72 hours. Obviously the sooner the better. They aren't saying wait 72 hours then take it.

No, you are.

Are you fucking telling me that you can not find a friendly pharmacist in 72 hours. That you like the thrill of imposing your views on others.

If Pharmacy "A" won't sell them to you then move on to the next.

Jeeeesus fucking christ.

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[CurveLight]

If you are talking about the employee of the pharmacy that is a different manner. I think those of us on the opposite side from your point of view are looking at it as the owner of the pharmacy. I know that is how I see it.

If I am the employee of the pharmacy and I don't want to sell product that the owner wants to sell, then I can always quit and go elsewhere. I work for the employer. He/she does not work for me.

Immie

Since it is an emergency medication it should be a mandated item. On what basis do you justify denying a rape victim the opportunity to prevent conception from her monster attacker?

On the grounds that this is still a free country and I still despite politicians of both ilks attempting to take away my freedoms, as a business owner have the right to decide what products I want to stock. I have the right to decide it I can afford to carry such product.

You know if it comes out that Plan B has certain unknown risks associated with it, Pharmacies may be held just as liable as the manufacturer by a court.

edit: and for the record, I have not said that I would not carry it. I would have to do more research on it.

Immie

Plan B is not an abortion pill and it doesn't whack a conception that has already taken place. It simply works to prevent conception.

It isn't taking away your freedoms to provide equal treatment services just like it isn't taking away a racist's freedom to mandate no "Whites Only" tables exist. If you wish to enter the public arena and benefit from it then you should be prepared to respect it instead of whining about "freedoms" as a transparent red herring.

 

[CurveLight]

Bullshit.

The medication is effective if taken within 72 hours - 3 days - from the encounter. It doesn't take 3 days to find a friendly pharmacist.

.

Omg, you all are really crazy..

Up to 72 hours. Obviously the sooner the better. They aren't saying wait 72 hours then take it.

No, you are.

Are you fucking telling me that you can not find a friendly pharmacist in 72 hours. That you like the thrill of imposing your views on others.

If Pharmacy "A" won't sell them to you then move on to the next.

Jeeeesus fucking christ.

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Oh boy. Another King Kong sized dumbass. Pharms denying the emergency medication are the ones guilty of "imposing views" because they are forcing the results of their moral code onto others.

It's not like women would go in and demand the Pharmacist take the pill you fucking depleted einstein.

 

[Contumacious]

Since it is an emergency medication it should be a mandated item. On what basis do you justify denying a rape victim the opportunity to prevent conception from her monster attacker?

On the grounds that this is still a free country and I still despite politicians of both ilks attempting to take away my freedoms, as a business owner have the right to decide what products I want to stock. I have the right to decide it I can afford to carry such product.

You know if it comes out that Plan B has certain unknown risks associated with it, Pharmacies may be held just as liable as the manufacturer by a court.

edit: and for the record, I have not said that I would not carry it. I would have to do more research on it.

Immie

Plan B is not an abortion pill and it doesn't whack a conception that has already taken place. It simply works to prevent conception.

It isn't taking away your freedoms to provide equal treatment services just like it isn't taking away a racist's freedom to mandate no "Whites Only" tables exist. If you wish to enter the public arena and benefit from it then you should be prepared to respect it instead of whining about "freedoms" as a transparent red herring.

Yes, it is taking individuals' freedoms away.

Americans have the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to associate with those who THEY choose.

The welfare/warfare state gets away with murder because it has standing armies and a penchant for violence.

.

 

[Contumacious]

Omg, you all are really crazy..

Up to 72 hours. Obviously the sooner the better. They aren't saying wait 72 hours then take it.

No, you are.

Are you fucking telling me that you can not find a friendly pharmacist in 72 hours. That you like the thrill of imposing your views on others.

If Pharmacy "A" won't sell them to you then move on to the next.

Jeeeesus fucking christ.

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Oh boy. Another King Kong sized dumbass. Pharms denying the emergency medication are the ones guilty of "imposing views" because they are forcing the results of their moral code onto others.

It's not like women would go in and demand the Pharmacist take the pill you fucking depleted einstein.

Excuse me fucktard,

why do pharmacists owe you an obligation to provide "emergency" medication. If you have a fucking contract with the XYZ Pharmacy and they refused to provide medication as agreed upon then sue them. Otherwise they don't have to sell you anything.

Move to Cuba, you low life son-of-a-bitch.

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[Immanuel]

Bullshit.

The medication is effective if taken within 72 hours - 3 days - from the encounter. It doesn't take 3 days to find a friendly pharmacist.

.

Omg, you all are really crazy..

Up to 72 hours. Obviously the sooner the better. They aren't saying wait 72 hours then take it.

No, you are.

Are you fucking telling me that you can not find a friendly pharmacist in 72 hours. That you like the thrill of imposing your views on others.

If Pharmacy "A" won't sell them to you then move on to the next.

Jeeeesus fucking christ.

.

I would suggest that anyone who wants to purchase Plan B that used a pharmacy that does not offer it, find one near by and then purchase however many doses of it, they think they might need before coming back to that pharmacy and stock their own.

Since it is an emergency medication it should be a mandated item. On what basis do you justify denying a rape victim the opportunity to prevent conception from her monster attacker?

On the grounds that this is still a free country and I still despite politicians of both ilks attempting to take away my freedoms, as a business owner have the right to decide what products I want to stock. I have the right to decide it I can afford to carry such product.

You know if it comes out that Plan B has certain unknown risks associated with it, Pharmacies may be held just as liable as the manufacturer by a court.

edit: and for the record, I have not said that I would not carry it. I would have to do more research on it.

Immie

Plan B is not an abortion pill and it doesn't whack a conception that has already taken place. It simply works to prevent conception.

It isn't taking away your freedoms to provide equal treatment services just like it isn't taking away a racist's freedom to mandate no "Whites Only" tables exist. If you wish to enter the public arena and benefit from it then you should be prepared to respect it instead of whining about "freedoms" as a transparent red herring.

1) I think if you were actually reading what I have said, you would not have made that first comment. I did not say I would not stock it. I stated that I would research it more before I did.

2) You and I will always disagree on the second paragraph here. I respect your beliefs, but I do think you are wrong about it not taking away my freedoms. I believe in a merchant's right to choose what he or she wants to stock. I am opposed to the government's interference in that choice.

It appears to me by your last sentence that you believe you have the right to decide what a merchant does and does not stock. Sorry, I will never agree with that.

Immie

 

[CurveLight]

1) I think if you were actually reading what I have said, you would not have made that first comment. I did not say I would not stock it. I stated that I would research it more before I did.

2) You and I will always disagree on the second paragraph here. I respect your beliefs, but I do think you are wrong about it not taking away my freedoms. I believe in a merchant's right to choose what he or she wants to stock. I am opposed to the government's interference in that choice.

It appears to me by your last sentence that you believe you have the right to decide what a merchant does and does not stock. Sorry, I will never agree with that.

Immie

I have been reading what you said:

(Posted by Immie)

"Maybe this has been mentioned as I have not read the entire thread, but here is how I would deal with this issue.

"I'm sorry, I am out of stock at the moment and do not know how long it will be before I receive my next shipment."

Every time someone entered my store, they would get the same reply.

The government cannot force me to stock items I do not care to stock.

Immie"

We aren't talking about Target stocking blue shoes. This is not simply a "merchant" but a healthcare provider. Pharmacies should be forced to stock emergency medications and unlike a normal merchant, the government pays pharmacies through federal taxes such as medicare.

 

[ConHog]

God you people are ridiculous. Why should the government have ANY right to tell me what I can and can't sell?

I mean take this a step further and the Government could tell the local Toyota dealer that he has to start selling GMs because well just because.

Who cares what their reasoning is? What's next? Telling Wal Mart they MUST carry pornographic material because well people want access?

 

[CurveLight]

God you people are ridiculous. Why should the government have ANY right to tell me what I can and can't sell?

I mean take this a step further and the Government could tell the local Toyota dealer that he has to start selling GMs because well just because.

Who cares what their reasoning is? What's next? Telling Wal Mart they MUST carry pornographic material because well people want access?

Only a pure fucking moron like you could confuse healthcare and porn.

 

[CurveLight]

Ya'll might be shocked but I have a proposal that makes too much sense. The conflict here is the contention between pharms being forced to carry meds and the public having access to emergency pills that are morally questionable. How to resolve thisv

1. Every pharmacist must have a sign stating whether or not they carry plan B. If they do not carry plan B then have the name/address/phone # of the closest pharms that do.
(That part is pretty much in the works already)

What about a situation where there are no pharms within 50 square miles that carry plan b?

2. In order to provide public access there must be at least one pharmacy within a 50 square mile radius providing plan B. Ie. If you have 5 pharmacies and all refuse plan B then force one to carry the pill for one year and allow the other 4 the option to not carry it. After the one year period has ended the next pharm in line stocks it.

This would avoid forcing all pharms to carry it while also ensuring reasonable public access.

 

[ConHog]

God you people are ridiculous. Why should the government have ANY right to tell me what I can and can't sell?

I mean take this a step further and the Government could tell the local Toyota dealer that he has to start selling GMs because well just because.

Who cares what their reasoning is? What's next? Telling Wal Mart they MUST carry pornographic material because well people want access?

Only a pure fucking moron like you could confuse healthcare and porn.

Only a fucking retard like yourself wouldn't understand the concept of once the government has the right to dictate in one industry nothing is stopping them from doing so in another.

 

[Immanuel]

Ya'll might be shocked but I have a proposal that makes too much sense. The conflict here is the contention between pharms being forced to carry meds and the public having access to emergency pills that are morally questionable. How to resolve thisv

1. Every pharmacist must have a sign stating whether or not they carry plan B. If they do not carry plan B then have the name/address/phone # of the closest pharms that do.
(That part is pretty much in the works already)

What about a situation where there are no pharms within 50 square miles that carry plan b?

2. In order to provide public access there must be at least one pharmacy within a 50 square mile radius providing plan B. Ie. If you have 5 pharmacies and all refuse plan B then force one to carry the pill for one year and allow the other 4 the option to not carry it. After the one year period has ended the next pharm in line stocks it.

This would avoid forcing all pharms to carry it while also ensuring reasonable public access.

Not exactly something I would jump on board with right away. We'd have to discuss it some more.

For instance, I would counter why not have the Department of Health in each county provide Plan B if there are no pharmacies around that do? How about County Hospitals? Don't they all have pharmacies?

I do, however, appreciate that options are thrown out on the table. There is nothing that says we can't thrown them onto the table and come to some kind of an agreement even if you did win in the long run.

Immie

 

[CurveLight]

God you people are ridiculous. Why should the government have ANY right to tell me what I can and can't sell?

I mean take this a step further and the Government could tell the local Toyota dealer that he has to start selling GMs because well just because.

Who cares what their reasoning is? What's next? Telling Wal Mart they MUST carry pornographic material because well people want access?

God you people are ridiculous. Why should the government have ANY right to tell me what I can and can't sell?

I mean take this a step further and the Government could tell the local Toyota dealer that he has to start selling GMs because well just because.

Who cares what their reasoning is? What's next? Telling Wal Mart they MUST carry pornographic material because well people want access?

Only a pure fucking moron like you could confuse healthcare and porn.

Only a fucking retard like yourself wouldn't understand the concept of once the government has the right to dictate in one industry nothing is stopping them from doing so in another.

You're too stoopid to even know how to properly apply the slippery slope argument.

 

[Sarah G]

Ya'll might be shocked but I have a proposal that makes too much sense. The conflict here is the contention between pharms being forced to carry meds and the public having access to emergency pills that are morally questionable. How to resolve thisv

1. Every pharmacist must have a sign stating whether or not they carry plan B. If they do not carry plan B then have the name/address/phone # of the closest pharms that do.
(That part is pretty much in the works already)

What about a situation where there are no pharms within 50 square miles that carry plan b?

2. In order to provide public access there must be at least one pharmacy within a 50 square mile radius providing plan B. Ie. If you have 5 pharmacies and all refuse plan B then force one to carry the pill for one year and allow the other 4 the option to not carry it. After the one year period has ended the next pharm in line stocks it.

This would avoid forcing all pharms to carry it while also ensuring reasonable public access.

There are very few pharmacists who refuse to dispense the drug. These people have extreme religious viewpoints and I don't know of any employer who will put up with someone like that.

Pharmacists don't make their own rules and pharmacy owners are very small businesses these days. Retail pharmacy is huge. You've got to stay competitive and you don't do that by refusing sales.

eod for me.

 

[CurveLight]

Ya'll might be shocked but I have a proposal that makes too much sense. The conflict here is the contention between pharms being forced to carry meds and the public having access to emergency pills that are morally questionable. How to resolve thisv

1. Every pharmacist must have a sign stating whether or not they carry plan B. If they do not carry plan B then have the name/address/phone # of the closest pharms that do.
(That part is pretty much in the works already)

What about a situation where there are no pharms within 50 square miles that carry plan b?

2. In order to provide public access there must be at least one pharmacy within a 50 square mile radius providing plan B. Ie. If you have 5 pharmacies and all refuse plan B then force one to carry the pill for one year and allow the other 4 the option to not carry it. After the one year period has ended the next pharm in line stocks it.

This would avoid forcing all pharms to carry it while also ensuring reasonable public access.

Not exactly something I would jump on board with right away. We'd have to discuss it some more.

For instance, I would counter why not have the Department of Health in each county provide Plan B if there are no pharmacies around that do? How about County Hospitals? Don't they all have pharmacies?

I do, however, appreciate that options are thrown out on the table. There is nothing that says we can't thrown them onto the table and come to some kind of an agreement even if you did win in the long run.

Immie

Because that is too close to socializing healthcare and pharmacies are much more efficient at medication dispensing which is why pharms and hospitals are different entities to begin with.