pharmacist have 1st Amendment right to refuse to dispense Plan B

[Coyote]

Why are atheist less tolerant of people of faith than people of faith are of atheist?

Why do theists hate women so much?

I am not an "ists" anything so I wouldn't know why your opinion is that way.

Well...that's odd. Why do you pretend to know what atheists think then?

 

[theunbubba]

People also have a 1st amendment right to organize boycotts of pharmacies who prefer to sell Jesus instead of merchandise.

Why are atheist less tolerant of people of faith than people of faith are of atheist?

Because atheists have no morals.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why do theists hate women so much?

I am not an "ists" anything so I wouldn't know why your opinion is that way.

Well...that's odd. Why do you pretend to know what atheists think then?

I don't pretend to know the mind of a person but I can observe how they react to people of faith. And their actions can speak volumes of whats on their mind.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

no they don't. They have a job to do. Which has been shown over and over again when people have done this. The end result is they are fired.

Don't want to deal out medicine? don't go into that field of work.

Funny how you think people only have a right to assert their beliefs if you agree with them.

 

[Immanuel]

no they don't. They have a job to do. Which has been shown over and over again when people have done this. The end result is they are fired.

Don't want to deal out medicine? don't go into that field of work.

If the owner of the pharmacy wants them to dispense Plan B and they refuse, then the owner has the right to not employ them if he/she so chooses. Unfortunately, it seems you would also remove that right from the owner of the pharmacy.

Didn't you make the claim earlier today that you were for personal liberties? You sure do a shitty job of defending personal liberties.

Immie

There is a difference between an owner not stocking it and an employee not giving it out because of their convictions.

I have no issue with an OWNER not stocking it. I have an issue with the Employee not doing their job.

Finally, something we can agree on.

And if the owner decides not to fire an employee who tells him that on moral grounds he would not want to fill such perscriptions?

Immie

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Pharmacists should have the right to refuse to fill what they want to refruse to fill. And their customers should have every right to take their business elsewhere. When did the consumer forget that he is king?

I agree. I should have the right to refuse to inspect whatever plane I want to refuse to inspect and I shouldn't have to tell anyone about it.

Hell, I should even sign off the inspection without doing the work, it's my right.

That explains why you are the union rep for your company.

 

[Coyote]

I am not an "ists" anything so I wouldn't know why your opinion is that way.

Well...that's odd. Why do you pretend to know what atheists think then?

I don't pretend to know the mind of a person but I can observe how they react to people of faith. And their actions can speak volumes of whats on their mind.

Strange. Yet you ignore the actions of the "people of faith" towards atheists.


Perhaps...you need glasses.

 

[Immanuel]

Well...that's odd. Why do you pretend to know what atheists think then?

I don't pretend to know the mind of a person but I can observe how they react to people of faith. And their actions can speak volumes of whats on their mind.

Strange. Yet you ignore the actions of the "people of faith" towards atheists.


Perhaps...you need glasses.

Can you give any examples of these things that people of faith do to atheists? Preferrably something that is not done in response or retribution to acts done by atheists first.

I have to say, the only issues I have ever had with atheists are on boards such as this one. Most atheists are pleasant human beings in real life who are good to be around as long as you don't get into discussion of faith, so I have not had any problems with atheists myself. But neither do I know of people of faith harming atheists either.

Immie

 

[Quantum Windbag]

no they don't. They have a job to do. Which has been shown over and over again when people have done this. The end result is they are fired.

Don't want to deal out medicine? don't go into that field of work.

If the owner of the pharmacy wants them to dispense Plan B and they refuse, then the owner has the right to not employ them if he/she so chooses. Unfortunately, it seems you would also remove that right from the owner of the pharmacy.

Didn't you make the claim earlier today that you were for personal liberties? You sure do a shitty job of defending personal liberties.

Immie

There is a difference between an owner not stocking it and an employee not giving it out because of their convictions.

I have no issue with an OWNER not stocking it. I have an issue with the Employee not doing their job.

You should go read the law that got struck down before you complain about a decision overturning it. By the way, this is the same judge that order a the Air Force to reinstate Margaret Witt because DADT was inapplicable to her so you can't claim the guy is a right wing ideologue.

 

[Coyote]

I don't pretend to know the mind of a person but I can observe how they react to people of faith. And their actions can speak volumes of whats on their mind.

Strange. Yet you ignore the actions of the "people of faith" towards atheists.


Perhaps...you need glasses.

Can you give any examples of these things that people of faith do to atheists? Preferrably something that is not done in response or retribution to acts done by atheists first.

The very fact you say "something that is not done in response or retribution to acts done by atheists first" indicates a certain bias, no?

When was the last time an athiest was elected president?

I have to say, the only issues I have ever had with atheists are on boards such as this one. Most atheists are pleasant human beings in real life who are good to be around as long as you don't get into discussion of faith, so I have not had any problems with atheists myself. But neither do I know of people of faith harming atheists either.

I hear as much vitriole directed towards athiests on these boards as I do vitriole directed towards religion.

I have no problem with either, as long as there is mutual respect for each other's positions.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Well...that's odd. Why do you pretend to know what atheists think then?

I don't pretend to know the mind of a person but I can observe how they react to people of faith. And their actions can speak volumes of whats on their mind.

Strange. Yet you ignore the actions of the "people of faith" towards atheists.


Perhaps...you need glasses.

OK fucking drama queen alert. Damn what the fuck is wrong with you? What exactly have people of faith done against atheist?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Strange. Yet you ignore the actions of the "people of faith" towards atheists.


Perhaps...you need glasses.

Can you give any examples of these things that people of faith do to atheists? Preferrably something that is not done in response or retribution to acts done by atheists first.

The very fact you say "something that is not done in response or retribution to acts done by atheists first" indicates a certain bias, no?

When was the last time an athiest was elected president?

I have to say, the only issues I have ever had with atheists are on boards such as this one. Most atheists are pleasant human beings in real life who are good to be around as long as you don't get into discussion of faith, so I have not had any problems with atheists myself. But neither do I know of people of faith harming atheists either.

I hear as much vitriole directed towards athiests on these boards as I do vitriole directed towards religion.

I have no problem with either, as long as there is mutual respect for each other's positions.

What the fuck? Can you answer the question? What have people of faith done against atheist? Are atheist to fucking anal? What is your major malfunction?

 

[del]

People also have a 1st amendment right to organize boycotts of pharmacies who prefer to sell Jesus instead of merchandise.

good luck

you should use more hyperbole-i'm having a little difficulty visualizing the flecks of spittle

 

[JustSomeGuy]

There are two separate issues here; refusing to dispense a product sold at a store you work for and refusing to stock a product you don't want to sell. I agree that, if you work for a pharmacy and that pharmacy stocks a certain drug or medication, you should be required to dispense it to a customer who asks. But requiring a store to stock and sell something it does not? That's wrong. No business should be forced to provide a product it does not want to solely because the state wants it to.

 

[theunbubba]

no they don't. They have a job to do. Which has been shown over and over again when people have done this. The end result is they are fired.

Don't want to deal out medicine? don't go into that field of work.

Hey dipwad, poison isn't medicine.

ok....but its not poison stupid

Excuse me? A chemical that kills something isn't a poison in what way?

 

[Immanuel]

Strange. Yet you ignore the actions of the "people of faith" towards atheists.


Perhaps...you need glasses.

Can you give any examples of these things that people of faith do to atheists? Preferrably something that is not done in response or retribution to acts done by atheists first.

The very fact you say "something that is not done in response or retribution to acts done by atheists first" indicates a certain bias, no?

When was the last time an athiest was elected president?

I have to say, the only issues I have ever had with atheists are on boards such as this one. Most atheists are pleasant human beings in real life who are good to be around as long as you don't get into discussion of faith, so I have not had any problems with atheists myself. But neither do I know of people of faith harming atheists either.

I hear as much vitriole directed towards athiests on these boards as I do vitriole directed towards religion.

I have no problem with either, as long as there is mutual respect for each other's positions.

I am not denying a certain bias. I am a person of faith.

What does the election as President have to do with anything and by the way, can you name a devout atheist that has run on a major party ticket?

I think the vitriole on these boards comes more from the atmosphere than anything else. Debates get heated and people start throwing insults at everyone else. I quit posting for more than two months simply because I was tired of all the crap that goes on around here. Hell, plasmaball and I are kind of going at it right now. I don't know much about him at all, but I would not be surprised if he and I met at a social event somewhere that we didn't hit it off fairly well. Well, as long as abortion didn't come up that is.

I don't read as much from people of faith towards atheists here as I do the other way. But, I don't pay as much attention to what is posted by "the right" as I do the left. I find myself conversing more with "lefties" than I do those on the right simply because a conversation with someone that I agree with isn't really worth having.

I also have to say that I find some atheists that I believe are deliberately antagonistic and rude while I don't find that as often from people of faith. Maybe that is because I think I understand better what the person is trying to say and believe that they are not deliberately being offensive even if someone feels they are offensive.

Immie

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There is a difference between an owner not stocking it and an employee not giving it out because of their convictions.

I have no issue with an OWNER not stocking it. I have an issue with the Employee not doing their job.

You should go read the law that got struck down before you complain about a decision overturning it. By the way, this is the same judge that order a the Air Force to reinstate Margaret Witt because DADT was inapplicable to her so you can't claim the guy is a right wing ideologue.

i didnt claim the judge was anything. I said my opinion and thats it.

Your opinion is as crappy as your reading comprehension skills, I never said you made any claim about the judge, I just pointed out why you shouldn't make a claim that you are prone to make rather than think.

 

[candycorn]

Doesn't look good for the Obama administration in its attempts to restrict religious liberty to only applying in churches.

I’m pleased to report that a federal district court in Washington state today delivered an important victory for religious liberty. As I outlined in several posts some weeks ago, Washington state regulations violate the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment by compelling pharmacies and pharmacists to dispense the abortifacient drug Plan B, notwithstanding their religiously informed conscientious convictions not to participate in the destruction of the life of an unborn human being.
In its opinion today, the federal district court correctly ruled that the regulations do violate plaintiffs’ Free Exercise rights. Specifically, the court determined that the regulations are not neutral for purposes of deference under Employment Division v. Smith. Rather, they“are riddled with exemptions for secular conduct, but contain no such exemptions for identical religiously-motivated conduct” and thus amount to an “impermissible religious gerrymander.” Likewise, the regulations are not “generally applicable” but rather “have been selectively enforced, in two ways”: First, the rule that pharmacies timely deliver all lawful medications has been enforced only against the plaintiff pharmacy and only for failure to deliver plan B. Second, the rules haven’t been enforced against the state’s numerous Catholic-affiliated pharmacies, which also refuse to stock or dispense Plan B.
For each of these reasons, the regulations are therefore subject to strict scrutiny, which they can’t survive.
The court also found that the state regulations were “aimed at Plan B and conscientious objectors from their inception.” Indeed, “the predominant purpose of the rule was to stamp out the right to refuse.”

Important Victory for Religious Liberty in Washington State - By Ed Whelan - Bench Memos - National Review Online

From the website:
Plan B One-Step® Consumer: Where to get Plan B One-Step®

Head to Your Pharmacy
If you're 17 or older, Plan B One-Step® is available without a prescription. Just ask for Plan B One-Step® at the pharmacy counter. If you're under 17, you'll need a prescription.

If the young lady goes to a national chain, she can get Plan B without a prescription.
CVS/Walgreens/Rite Aid don't want the bad publicity this type of discrimination will bring.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Strange. Yet you ignore the actions of the "people of faith" towards atheists.


Perhaps...you need glasses.

Can you give any examples of these things that people of faith do to atheists? Preferrably something that is not done in response or retribution to acts done by atheists first.

The very fact you say "something that is not done in response or retribution to acts done by atheists first" indicates a certain bias, no?

When was the last time an athiest was elected president?

I have to say, the only issues I have ever had with atheists are on boards such as this one. Most atheists are pleasant human beings in real life who are good to be around as long as you don't get into discussion of faith, so I have not had any problems with atheists myself. But neither do I know of people of faith harming atheists either.

I hear as much vitriole directed towards athiests on these boards as I do vitriole directed towards religion.

I have no problem with either, as long as there is mutual respect for each other's positions.

How does the fact that no atheist has ever been president prove people of faith are persecuting atheists?

For the record, mutual respect for each others positions means speaking up against the idiots on your side of the debate who lie and defame the people who disagree with them. Until you do that you are not respecting my beliefs.

 

[theunbubba]

Strange. Yet you ignore the actions of the "people of faith" towards atheists.


Perhaps...you need glasses.

Can you give any examples of these things that people of faith do to atheists? Preferrably something that is not done in response or retribution to acts done by atheists first.

The very fact you say "something that is not done in response or retribution to acts done by atheists first" indicates a certain bias, no?

When was the last time an athiest was elected president?

He's in office right now.

I have to say, the only issues I have ever had with atheists are on boards such as this one. Most atheists are pleasant human beings in real life who are good to be around as long as you don't get into discussion of faith, so I have not had any problems with atheists myself. But neither do I know of people of faith harming atheists either.

I hear as much vitriole directed towards athiests on these boards as I do vitriole directed towards religion.

I have no problem with either, as long as there is mutual respect for each other's positions.