Petraeus v. Obama: The Truth About the Surge

[Stephanie]

then was then, now is now, I guess.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJYiQnm1xBs]YouTube - Petraeus v. Obama: The Truth About the Surge[/ame]

comments at site.

 

[Stephanie]

SNIP:

When Fallon Resigned, Dems Criticized Bush for Punishing Truth Tellers
By Philip Klein on 6.23.10 @ 4:49PM

Today's ouster of Gen. Stanley McChrystal was the just the latest in a line of conflicts between top military commanders and presidents. But what's interesting is that the ouster of McChrystal is being portrayed as the proper course of action to restore unity and reinforce civilian control of the military, but when Admiral William Fallon resigned as head of Central Command in 2008, it was covered as if the Bush administration couldn't handle disagreements, and Democrats went on the attack.

For instance, here's the Bloomberg account:

Admiral William Fallon's resignation as U.S. commander in the Middle East provoked criticism that President George W. Bush won't tolerate dissent and fed speculation his Iran policy could become more confrontational.

``Congress needs to determine immediately whether Admiral Fallon's resignation is another example of truth tellers being forced to the sidelines in the Bush administration,'' said Senator John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat who lost to Bush in the 2004 election. ``His departure must not clear the way for a rush to war with Iran.''...

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, a U.S. senator from New York, called Fallon a ``sensible voice'' that supported ``engaging Iran.'' She urged her colleagues to back a bill requiring Bush to get congressional approval before taking any military action against Iran.

read the rest here.
http://spectator.org/blog/2010/06/23/when-fallon-resigned-dems-crit

 

[blastoff]

Hard to believe there was a time when many Dimocrats questioned the general's veracity. Funny how things change when they need him.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

An Inconvenient Truth

Do you see how great it is that the LMSM no longer has monopoly power over the media?

 

[Jarhead]

Putting aside the content of what then Senator Obama said during that 7 minutes, did anyone notice something about him?

He spoke from his heart and not from a written speech by a speechwriter. He spoke directly, and not from a teleprompter.

I truly believe his handlers have ruined him. He was very eloquent, direct, and sincere when he spoke back then.

I do not necessarily agree with his ideology and his policies. But he was a man that was sincere back in 2007. Now I only hear Axelrod and Eamnuel when he speaks.

That is something I would like people in the media to take notice of. It may not be Obama that is the problem.

For example, I truly believe he wanted bi-partisanship; I believe he wanted to change the way things are done in Washington. However, I believe Axelrod and Emanuel were the ones who used that as campaign rhetoric, but never reeally meant it.

Not Obama.

My take.

 

[Jarhead]

SNIP:

When Fallon Resigned, Dems Criticized Bush for Punishing Truth Tellers
By Philip Klein on 6.23.10 @ 4:49PM

Today's ouster of Gen. Stanley McChrystal was the just the latest in a line of conflicts between top military commanders and presidents. But what's interesting is that the ouster of McChrystal is being portrayed as the proper course of action to restore unity and reinforce civilian control of the military, but when Admiral William Fallon resigned as head of Central Command in 2008, it was covered as if the Bush administration couldn't handle disagreements, and Democrats went on the attack.

For instance, here's the Bloomberg account:

Admiral William Fallon's resignation as U.S. commander in the Middle East provoked criticism that President George W. Bush won't tolerate dissent and fed speculation his Iran policy could become more confrontational.

``Congress needs to determine immediately whether Admiral Fallon's resignation is another example of truth tellers being forced to the sidelines in the Bush administration,'' said Senator John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat who lost to Bush in the 2004 election. ``His departure must not clear the way for a rush to war with Iran.''...

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, a U.S. senator from New York, called Fallon a ``sensible voice'' that supported ``engaging Iran.'' She urged her colleagues to back a bill requiring Bush to get congressional approval before taking any military action against Iran.

read the rest here.
The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : When Fallon Resigned, Dems Criticized Bush for Punishing Truth Tellers

This was not dissent. This was insubordination.

They were making fun of senior civilian figures as people; not questioning the strategy.

That is insubordination.

But I agree with one thing. Hypocrisy is rampant in politics.

 

[hortysir]

That is insubordination.

No, it is not:

Insubordination is the act of a subordinate deliberately disobeying a lawful order from someone in charge of them.



Yes, McChrystal acted in a way that was not becoming of an officer.
Yes, it was wrong.
No, our country did not need this drama when we're in the shit.
Yes, Obama was right to replace him.

No, it wasn't insubordination

 

[Jarhead]

That is insubordination.

No, it is not:

Insubordination is the act of a subordinate deliberately disobeying a lawful order from someone in charge of them.



Yes, McChrystal acted in a way that was not becoming of an officer.
Yes, it was wrong.
No, our country did not need this drama when we're in the shit.
Yes, Obama was right to replace him.

No, it wasn't insubordination

Based on the actual military definition of insubordination, you are correct.
Insubordination is a term used in the workplace and would be applied to an act that is not deemed as "unlawful" but instead deemed as "not becoming of an employee of the firm" and thus why I applied it.

My point was, it was NOT dissent. It was an immature act that compromised the chain of command during wartime.

So call it what we want, it was not someone or some people expressing dissent with the tactical decisions of the mission at hand.

 

[KMAN]

More proof of the left's hypocrisy... Petraeus was an idiot when he worked for Bush but now Obama want's him back...WTF?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

More proof of the left's hypocrisy... Petraeus was an idiot when he worked for Bush but now Obama want's him back...WTF?

And the left loves him!!

 

[Oddball]

You watch and wait....

Afghanistan doesn't go anywhere and Little Lord Obammyroy claims "I inherited this General".

Mark it down.

 

[CurveLight]

SNIP:

When Fallon Resigned, Dems Criticized Bush for Punishing Truth Tellers
By Philip Klein on 6.23.10 @ 4:49PM

Today's ouster of Gen. Stanley McChrystal was the just the latest in a line of conflicts between top military commanders and presidents. But what's interesting is that the ouster of McChrystal is being portrayed as the proper course of action to restore unity and reinforce civilian control of the military, but when Admiral William Fallon resigned as head of Central Command in 2008, it was covered as if the Bush administration couldn't handle disagreements, and Democrats went on the attack.

For instance, here's the Bloomberg account:

Admiral William Fallon's resignation as U.S. commander in the Middle East provoked criticism that President George W. Bush won't tolerate dissent and fed speculation his Iran policy could become more confrontational.

``Congress needs to determine immediately whether Admiral Fallon's resignation is another example of truth tellers being forced to the sidelines in the Bush administration,'' said Senator John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat who lost to Bush in the 2004 election. ``His departure must not clear the way for a rush to war with Iran.''...

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, a U.S. senator from New York, called Fallon a ``sensible voice'' that supported ``engaging Iran.'' She urged her colleagues to back a bill requiring Bush to get congressional approval before taking any military action against Iran.

read the rest here.
The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : When Fallon Resigned, Dems Criticized Bush for Punishing Truth Tellers

If you had ever actually paid attention you would know there was a crystal pattern of Senior officials, both civilian and military, who "resigned" for not being in lockstep with neocon agendas.

 

[CurveLight]

You watch and wait....

Afghanistan doesn't go anywhere and Little Lord Obammyroy claims "I inherited this General".

Mark it down.

Golly gee. Does Fox know you're available?

(Seriously.....that's not actually a prediction....not in politics anyways.)

 

[Jarhead]

SNIP:

When Fallon Resigned, Dems Criticized Bush for Punishing Truth Tellers
By Philip Klein on 6.23.10 @ 4:49PM

Today's ouster of Gen. Stanley McChrystal was the just the latest in a line of conflicts between top military commanders and presidents. But what's interesting is that the ouster of McChrystal is being portrayed as the proper course of action to restore unity and reinforce civilian control of the military, but when Admiral William Fallon resigned as head of Central Command in 2008, it was covered as if the Bush administration couldn't handle disagreements, and Democrats went on the attack.

For instance, here's the Bloomberg account:

Admiral William Fallon's resignation as U.S. commander in the Middle East provoked criticism that President George W. Bush won't tolerate dissent and fed speculation his Iran policy could become more confrontational.

``Congress needs to determine immediately whether Admiral Fallon's resignation is another example of truth tellers being forced to the sidelines in the Bush administration,'' said Senator John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat who lost to Bush in the 2004 election. ``His departure must not clear the way for a rush to war with Iran.''...

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, a U.S. senator from New York, called Fallon a ``sensible voice'' that supported ``engaging Iran.'' She urged her colleagues to back a bill requiring Bush to get congressional approval before taking any military action against Iran.

read the rest here.
The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : When Fallon Resigned, Dems Criticized Bush for Punishing Truth Tellers

If you had ever actually paid attention you would know there was a crystal pattern of Senior officials, both civilian and military, who "resigned" for not being in lockstep with neocon agendas.

Sort of similar to Joe Lieberman and his "punishment" for not bowing down to the almighty candidate Obama?

 

[CurveLight]

SNIP:

When Fallon Resigned, Dems Criticized Bush for Punishing Truth Tellers
By Philip Klein on 6.23.10 @ 4:49PM

Today's ouster of Gen. Stanley McChrystal was the just the latest in a line of conflicts between top military commanders and presidents. But what's interesting is that the ouster of McChrystal is being portrayed as the proper course of action to restore unity and reinforce civilian control of the military, but when Admiral William Fallon resigned as head of Central Command in 2008, it was covered as if the Bush administration couldn't handle disagreements, and Democrats went on the attack.

For instance, here's the Bloomberg account:

Admiral William Fallon's resignation as U.S. commander in the Middle East provoked criticism that President George W. Bush won't tolerate dissent and fed speculation his Iran policy could become more confrontational.

``Congress needs to determine immediately whether Admiral Fallon's resignation is another example of truth tellers being forced to the sidelines in the Bush administration,'' said Senator John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat who lost to Bush in the 2004 election. ``His departure must not clear the way for a rush to war with Iran.''...

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, a U.S. senator from New York, called Fallon a ``sensible voice'' that supported ``engaging Iran.'' She urged her colleagues to back a bill requiring Bush to get congressional approval before taking any military action against Iran.

read the rest here.
The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : When Fallon Resigned, Dems Criticized Bush for Punishing Truth Tellers

If you had ever actually paid attention you would know there was a crystal pattern of Senior officials, both civilian and military, who "resigned" for not being in lockstep with neocon agendas.

Sort of similar to Joe Lieberman and his "punishment" for not bowing down to the almighty candidate Obama?

Please expound on that. If you can.

 

[Article 15]

SNIP:

When Fallon Resigned, Dems Criticized Bush for Punishing Truth Tellers
By Philip Klein on 6.23.10 @ 4:49PM

Today's ouster of Gen. Stanley McChrystal was the just the latest in a line of conflicts between top military commanders and presidents. But what's interesting is that the ouster of McChrystal is being portrayed as the proper course of action to restore unity and reinforce civilian control of the military, but when Admiral William Fallon resigned as head of Central Command in 2008, it was covered as if the Bush administration couldn't handle disagreements, and Democrats went on the attack.

For instance, here's the Bloomberg account:

Admiral William Fallon's resignation as U.S. commander in the Middle East provoked criticism that President George W. Bush won't tolerate dissent and fed speculation his Iran policy could become more confrontational.

``Congress needs to determine immediately whether Admiral Fallon's resignation is another example of truth tellers being forced to the sidelines in the Bush administration,'' said Senator John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat who lost to Bush in the 2004 election. ``His departure must not clear the way for a rush to war with Iran.''...

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, a U.S. senator from New York, called Fallon a ``sensible voice'' that supported ``engaging Iran.'' She urged her colleagues to back a bill requiring Bush to get congressional approval before taking any military action against Iran.

read the rest here.
The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : When Fallon Resigned, Dems Criticized Bush for Punishing Truth Tellers

If you had ever actually paid attention you would know there was a crystal pattern of Senior officials, both civilian and military, who "resigned" for not being in lockstep with neocon agendas.

Sort of similar to Joe Lieberman and his "punishment" for not bowing down to the almighty candidate Obama?

The same Joe Lieberman who also didn't cast a vote condemning moveon.org for the Betrayus ad?

 

[Jarhead]

If you had ever actually paid attention you would know there was a crystal pattern of Senior officials, both civilian and military, who "resigned" for not being in lockstep with neocon agendas.

Sort of similar to Joe Lieberman and his "punishment" for not bowing down to the almighty candidate Obama?

Please expound on that. If you can.

He supported McCain and was reprimanded by Reid. Stripped of his chairmanship of a senate commitee and threatened to be eliminated from the democratic caucus.

And all becuase he believed that one candidate for POTUS was a better choice than another.

IN essecne, all becuase he refused to follow the leadership of a party.

 

[Jarhead]

If you had ever actually paid attention you would know there was a crystal pattern of Senior officials, both civilian and military, who "resigned" for not being in lockstep with neocon agendas.

Sort of similar to Joe Lieberman and his "punishment" for not bowing down to the almighty candidate Obama?

The same Joe Lieberman who also didn't cast a vote condemning moveon.org for the Betrayus ad?

What does that have to do with anything?

I agreed that condemning a website becuase you dont agree with it was childiish and not American.

Joe Lieberman supported a candidate. THe majority leader got angry as it was not the candidate HE supported. So Reid acted like a child and said "play my way or I will take my ball and go home"

 

[Article 15]

Sort of similar to Joe Lieberman and his "punishment" for not bowing down to the almighty candidate Obama?

The same Joe Lieberman who also didn't cast a vote condemning moveon.org for the Betrayus ad?

What does that have to do with anything?

I agreed that condemning a website becuase you dont agree with it was childiish and not American.

Joe Lieberman supported a candidate. THe majority leader got angry as it was not the candidate HE supported. So Reid acted like a child and said "play my way or I will take my ball and go home"

Just laying it out there for the Betrayus retards to see.

 

[CurveLight]

SNIP:

When Fallon Resigned, Dems Criticized Bush for Punishing Truth Tellers
By Philip Klein on 6.23.10 @ 4:49PM

Today's ouster of Gen. Stanley McChrystal was the just the latest in a line of conflicts between top military commanders and presidents. But what's interesting is that the ouster of McChrystal is being portrayed as the proper course of action to restore unity and reinforce civilian control of the military, but when Admiral William Fallon resigned as head of Central Command in 2008, it was covered as if the Bush administration couldn't handle disagreements, and Democrats went on the attack.

For instance, here's the Bloomberg account:

Admiral William Fallon's resignation as U.S. commander in the Middle East provoked criticism that President George W. Bush won't tolerate dissent and fed speculation his Iran policy could become more confrontational.

``Congress needs to determine immediately whether Admiral Fallon's resignation is another example of truth tellers being forced to the sidelines in the Bush administration,'' said Senator John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat who lost to Bush in the 2004 election. ``His departure must not clear the way for a rush to war with Iran.''...

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, a U.S. senator from New York, called Fallon a ``sensible voice'' that supported ``engaging Iran.'' She urged her colleagues to back a bill requiring Bush to get congressional approval before taking any military action against Iran.

read the rest here.
The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : When Fallon Resigned, Dems Criticized Bush for Punishing Truth Tellers

If you had ever actually paid attention you would know there was a crystal pattern of Senior officials, both civilian and military, who "resigned" for not being in lockstep with neocon agendas.

Sort of similar to Joe Lieberman and his "punishment" for not bowing down to the almighty candidate Obama?

Sort of similar to Joe Lieberman and his "punishment" for not bowing down to the almighty candidate Obama?

Please expound on that. If you can.

He supported McCain and was reprimanded by Reid. Stripped of his chairmanship of a senate commitee and threatened to be eliminated from the democratic caucus.

And all becuase he believed that one candidate for POTUS was a better choice than another.

IN essecne, all becuase he refused to follow the leadership of a party.

Pretty vague. What chairmanship and when was he removed?