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Terry Melcher - Wikipedia

Career
In the early 1960s, Terry Melcher and Bruce Johnston formed the vocal duet Bruce & Terry. The duo had hits like "Custom Machine" and "Summer Means Fun". Melcher and Johnston also created another group, The Rip Chords, which had a Top 10 hit with "Hey Little Cobra". Later, Johnston would join the Beach Boys. By the mid-1960s, Melcher had joined the staff of Columbia Records and went on to work with the Byrds. He produced their hit cover versions of Bob Dylan's "Mr. Tambourine Man" and Pete Seeger's "Turn! Turn! Turn!", as well as their respective albums.[4] Due to conflicts with the band and their manager, Melcher was replaced as producer by Allen Stanton and then Gary Usher, although he would later work with the Byrds again on their Ballad of Easy Rider, (Untitled), and Byrdmaniax albums. Melcher also worked with Paul Revere & the Raiders, Wayne Newton, Frankie Laine, Jimmy Boyd, Pat Boone, Glen Campbell, Mark Lindsay and the Mamas & the Papas. He was instrumental in signing another Los Angeles band, the Rising Sons, led by Taj Mahal and Ry Cooder.[5] Melcher also performed on the Beach Boys' platinum album Pet Sounds as a background vocalist, and introduced Brian Wilson to lyricist Van Dyke Parks in February 1966, beginning their partnership on The Smile Sessions project. Melcher was also a board member of the Monterey Pop Foundation and a producer of the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967.

... and more. There were other producers as well, cashing in, some more competent than others at marketing. these paved the way and created the markets for others like Hendrix, Uriah Heep, and boy bands like the Doors, etc.
Melcher should have signed Charlie Manson
 
Terry Melcher - Wikipedia

Career
In the early 1960s, Terry Melcher and Bruce Johnston formed the vocal duet Bruce & Terry. The duo had hits like "Custom Machine" and "Summer Means Fun". Melcher and Johnston also created another group, The Rip Chords, which had a Top 10 hit with "Hey Little Cobra". Later, Johnston would join the Beach Boys. By the mid-1960s, Melcher had joined the staff of Columbia Records and went on to work with the Byrds. He produced their hit cover versions of Bob Dylan's "Mr. Tambourine Man" and Pete Seeger's "Turn! Turn! Turn!", as well as their respective albums.[4] Due to conflicts with the band and their manager, Melcher was replaced as producer by Allen Stanton and then Gary Usher, although he would later work with the Byrds again on their Ballad of Easy Rider, (Untitled), and Byrdmaniax albums. Melcher also worked with Paul Revere & the Raiders, Wayne Newton, Frankie Laine, Jimmy Boyd, Pat Boone, Glen Campbell, Mark Lindsay and the Mamas & the Papas. He was instrumental in signing another Los Angeles band, the Rising Sons, led by Taj Mahal and Ry Cooder.[5] Melcher also performed on the Beach Boys' platinum album Pet Sounds as a background vocalist, and introduced Brian Wilson to lyricist Van Dyke Parks in February 1966, beginning their partnership on The Smile Sessions project. Melcher was also a board member of the Monterey Pop Foundation and a producer of the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967.

... and more. There were other producers as well, cashing in, some more competent than others at marketing. these paved the way and created the markets for others like Hendrix, Uriah Heep, and boy bands like the Doors, etc.
Melcher should have signed Charlie Manson

If he had thought there was money in it he would have.

In any case, it was nearly always the producers who broke new ground in the music biz; actual musical talent played a very secondary role when it came to pop and rock. It was great if they had some talent, but it was never necessary.
 
the same guy who said the Byrds were too....
Yes. Quite the non expert when it comes to 60's music and musicians.
yep....im sure he puts the Stones and the Kinks and Yardbirds in that category too...


Actually the entire genre is manufactured and marketed for a particular image, but most dumbasses can't believe they're fashion victims; the think they're immune while in fact they're the easiest to sucker in to a certain 'type', it's just a matter of experimenting with bands and voices to find how to get in your pockets, is all. Rock is is the most commercialized genre out there today, and was from its beginning as well.
yea like the other genres are any different.....the bottom line for every genre is to make a buck or two.....
 
Terry Melcher - Wikipedia

Career
In the early 1960s, Terry Melcher and Bruce Johnston formed the vocal duet Bruce & Terry. The duo had hits like "Custom Machine" and "Summer Means Fun". Melcher and Johnston also created another group, The Rip Chords, which had a Top 10 hit with "Hey Little Cobra". Later, Johnston would join the Beach Boys. By the mid-1960s, Melcher had joined the staff of Columbia Records and went on to work with the Byrds. He produced their hit cover versions of Bob Dylan's "Mr. Tambourine Man" and Pete Seeger's "Turn! Turn! Turn!", as well as their respective albums.[4] Due to conflicts with the band and their manager, Melcher was replaced as producer by Allen Stanton and then Gary Usher, although he would later work with the Byrds again on their Ballad of Easy Rider, (Untitled), and Byrdmaniax albums. Melcher also worked with Paul Revere & the Raiders, Wayne Newton, Frankie Laine, Jimmy Boyd, Pat Boone, Glen Campbell, Mark Lindsay and the Mamas & the Papas. He was instrumental in signing another Los Angeles band, the Rising Sons, led by Taj Mahal and Ry Cooder.[5] Melcher also performed on the Beach Boys' platinum album Pet Sounds as a background vocalist, and introduced Brian Wilson to lyricist Van Dyke Parks in February 1966, beginning their partnership on The Smile Sessions project. Melcher was also a board member of the Monterey Pop Foundation and a producer of the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967.

... and more. There were other producers as well, cashing in, some more competent than others at marketing. these paved the way and created the markets for others like Hendrix, Uriah Heep, and boy bands like the Doors, etc.
Melcher should have signed Charlie Manson

If he had thought there was money in it he would have.

In any case, it was nearly always the producers who broke new ground in the music biz; actual musical talent played a very secondary role when it came to pop and rock. It was great if they had some talent, but it was never necessary.
Especially with Motown, Phil Specter and the like. They could have plugged anyone into their machine
 
Most of those were genuine and wrote their own material. The Monkees were a total contrivance..
That's true and people know who was genuine and not.

By the way....the Beatles were a "manufactured pop music machine"? :113:
Which fool said that?

I did, jackass; any idiot who has heard the Beatles early stuff when they were just another bar band and then compared that to the sound and image George Martin created for them knows it's a fact, too. George Martin was a great producer, so were producers like Terry Melcher at RCA, and several others, who got bands started on their road to 'fame' via Wrecking Crew studio sets, as he did with the Byrds; others did the same for Sonny and Cher, got the Mamas and the Poppas together, built the Grass Roots from scratch, etc.
Production only goes so far. All of the Beatles were prolific beyond George Martin. So were the Stones before and after NYT writer Judith Miller’s brother Jimmy produced (and drummed on) some of their most successful albums.

You mean after you have been properly conditioned to believe that and buy it..The Beatles were targeted at middle class adolescent girls, the market with lots of disposable incomes and easily impressed by 'boy bands', same as the market in the 1950's, same as much of the market in the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's, and every decade. the Stones aimed for the same market, with a silly assed 'Bad Boy' image gimmick. Other bands usually copied one or the other.
I disagree where the stones, Beatles and Monkees, etc always, are concerned. I didn’t particularly like much Beatles music but I could recognize songwriting talent. As for the stones, they turned me onto an entire genre that I wouldn’t have found as quickly. Blues wasn’t exactly a manufactured market. OTOH, rap is a total contrivance.
 
The funny thing is that because Pete was actually a pretty good musician, he was the only one of the fab-four band that actually played instruments on the first two albums. He played bass, guitar, piano, harpsichord and organ for various songs. The others simply added in their vocal accompaniment.
Could be true, according to some sources, but Mike was also an accomplished musician and did pen a couple of songs for those albums.

https://www.quora.com/Did-The-Monkees-play-their-own-instruments-or-write-their-own-songs

according to other sources, none of them played on the first two albums:
Monkees FAQs

Micky and Davy were not musicians, although I guess they eventually learned to play drums and tambourine and maybe some other instruments. Micky seemed to sing on a lot of songs, although they all sang.
 
The funny thing is that because Pete was actually a pretty good musician, he was the only one of the fab-four band that actually played instruments on the first two albums. He played bass, guitar, piano, harpsichord and organ for various songs. The others simply added in their vocal accompaniment.
Could be true, according to some sources, but Mike was also an accomplished musician and did pen a couple of songs for those albums.

https://www.quora.com/Did-The-Monkees-play-their-own-instruments-or-write-their-own-songs

according to other sources, none of them played on the first two albums:
Monkees FAQs

Micky and Davy were not musicians, although I guess they eventually learned to play drums and tambourine and maybe some other instruments. Micky seemed to sing on a lot of songs, although they all sang.
Davy was one hell of a tambourine player

A master of the instrument
 
The funny thing is that because Pete was actually a pretty good musician, he was the only one of the fab-four band that actually played instruments on the first two albums. He played bass, guitar, piano, harpsichord and organ for various songs. The others simply added in their vocal accompaniment.
Could be true, according to some sources, but Mike was also an accomplished musician and did pen a couple of songs for those albums.

https://www.quora.com/Did-The-Monkees-play-their-own-instruments-or-write-their-own-songs

according to other sources, none of them played on the first two albums:
Monkees FAQs

Micky and Davy were not musicians, although I guess they eventually learned to play drums and tambourine and maybe some other instruments. Micky seemed to sing on a lot of songs, although they all sang.
Davy was one hell of a tambourine player

A master of the instrument
yea pick on the short guy....
 
Gotta have more tambourine!
Davy just couldn’t handle the cow bell

2145-mike-davy-peter.jpg
 
Especially with Motown, Phil Specter and the like. They could have plugged anyone into their machine

Yep, though they did have some great voices and producers, like Smokey Robinson and a couple of others. Gordy had a little radio station in the studio, and he would make them play a song on the radio while he went out to his car and listened to it; if it sounded good on the car radios he packaged it and sold it. He didn't give a squat about how great it sounded in the studio.He knew where the audience was in those days. FM stereo came along in the early 1970's and changed the game up some, but not much.
 
the same guy who said the Byrds were too....
Yes. Quite the non expert when it comes to 60's music and musicians.
yep....im sure he puts the Stones and the Kinks and Yardbirds in that category too...


Actually the entire genre is manufactured and marketed for a particular image, but most dumbasses can't believe they're fashion victims; the think they're immune while in fact they're the easiest to sucker in to a certain 'type', it's just a matter of experimenting with bands and voices to find how to get in your pockets, is all. Rock is is the most commercialized genre out there today, and was from its beginning as well.
yea like the other genres are any different.....the bottom line for every genre is to make a buck or two.....

Yeah right ... those jazz and classical guys were a lot of untrained no talent losers .... only teenage girls can recognize musical brilliance n stuff ... you're obviously thrilled at the Backstreet Boyz reunion tour, right?
 
the same guy who said the Byrds were too....
Yes. Quite the non expert when it comes to 60's music and musicians.
yep....im sure he puts the Stones and the Kinks and Yardbirds in that category too...


Actually the entire genre is manufactured and marketed for a particular image, but most dumbasses can't believe they're fashion victims; the think they're immune while in fact they're the easiest to sucker in to a certain 'type', it's just a matter of experimenting with bands and voices to find how to get in your pockets, is all. Rock is is the most commercialized genre out there today, and was from its beginning as well.
yea like the other genres are any different.....the bottom line for every genre is to make a buck or two.....

Yeah right ... those jazz and classical guys were a lot of untrained no talent losers .... only teenage girls can recognize musical brilliance n stuff ... you're obviously thrilled at the Backstreet Boyz reunion tour, right?
hey dipshit....everyone of those guys want to make a buck...if you are to stupid to figure that out maybe you should go see the backstreet boys and ask them why they are reforming....
 
Yes. Quite the non expert when it comes to 60's music and musicians.
yep....im sure he puts the Stones and the Kinks and Yardbirds in that category too...


Actually the entire genre is manufactured and marketed for a particular image, but most dumbasses can't believe they're fashion victims; the think they're immune while in fact they're the easiest to sucker in to a certain 'type', it's just a matter of experimenting with bands and voices to find how to get in your pockets, is all. Rock is is the most commercialized genre out there today, and was from its beginning as well.
yea like the other genres are any different.....the bottom line for every genre is to make a buck or two.....

Yeah right ... those jazz and classical guys were a lot of untrained no talent losers .... only teenage girls can recognize musical brilliance n stuff ... you're obviously thrilled at the Backstreet Boyz reunion tour, right?
hey dipshit....everyone of those guys want to make a buck...if you are to stupid to figure that out maybe you should go see the backstreet boys and ask them why they are reforming....

So what? Few of them went into it trying to get rich, completely unlike rock n roll, which was only about sucking money fro kids allowance, but dumbasses like you were easy to sell crap to, and it's still easy to sell you crap today as well; you think you were , like, really really kewl n stuff, but in reality you're just dorks, is all.

So, just come out of the closet and tel us which of all those Boy Bands you dream about blowing; get it off your chest.
 
Tork was a great dude.
Page and Gilmour gave the Insects( cockroach-beetle) a real quick " go bloody home'ns STFU boys,
 
yep....im sure he puts the Stones and the Kinks and Yardbirds in that category too...


Actually the entire genre is manufactured and marketed for a particular image, but most dumbasses can't believe they're fashion victims; the think they're immune while in fact they're the easiest to sucker in to a certain 'type', it's just a matter of experimenting with bands and voices to find how to get in your pockets, is all. Rock is is the most commercialized genre out there today, and was from its beginning as well.
yea like the other genres are any different.....the bottom line for every genre is to make a buck or two.....

Yeah right ... those jazz and classical guys were a lot of untrained no talent losers .... only teenage girls can recognize musical brilliance n stuff ... you're obviously thrilled at the Backstreet Boyz reunion tour, right?
hey dipshit....everyone of those guys want to make a buck...if you are to stupid to figure that out maybe you should go see the backstreet boys and ask them why they are reforming....

So what? Few of them went into it trying to get rich, completely unlike rock n roll, which was only about sucking money fro kids allowance, but dumbasses like you were easy to sell crap to, and it's still easy to sell you crap today as well; you think you were , like, really really kewl n stuff, but in reality you're just dorks, is all.

So, just come out of the closet and tel us which of all those Boy Bands you dream about blowing; get it off your chest.
i cant blow any of them....your heads always in the way....
 
Most of those were genuine and wrote their own material. The Monkees were a total contrivance..
That's true and people know who was genuine and not.

By the way....the Beatles were a "manufactured pop music machine"? :113:
Which fool said that?

I did, jackass; any idiot who has heard the Beatles early stuff when they were just another bar band and then compared that to the sound and image George Martin created for them knows it's a fact, too. George Martin was a great producer, so were producers like Terry Melcher at RCA, and several others, who got bands started on their road to 'fame' via Wrecking Crew studio sets, as he did with the Byrds; others did the same for Sonny and Cher, got the Mamas and the Poppas together, built the Grass Roots from scratch, etc.
Production only goes so far. All of the Beatles were prolific beyond George Martin. So were the Stones before and after NYT writer Judith Miller’s brother Jimmy produced (and drummed on) some of their most successful albums.

You mean after you have been properly conditioned to believe that and buy it..The Beatles were targeted at middle class adolescent girls, the market with lots of disposable incomes and easily impressed by 'boy bands', same as the market in the 1950's, same as much of the market in the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's, and every decade. the Stones aimed for the same market, with a silly assed 'Bad Boy' image gimmick. Other bands usually copied one or the other.
I disagree where the stones, Beatles and Monkees, etc always, are concerned. I didn’t particularly like much Beatles music but I could recognize songwriting talent. As for the stones, they turned me onto an entire genre that I wouldn’t have found as quickly. Blues wasn’t exactly a manufactured market. OTOH, rap is a total contrivance.

I never said none of them had any talent at all, just that it wasn't the primary importance. the Beatles had a couple of decent songs, Eleanor Rigby and Paperback Writer are the only two I can recall. the Stones put out a lot of complete rubbish, but they were prolific and can put together a couple of compilation albums that would be fairly decent. I'm not a fan of 'blues', which seems to be built around being ,old, drunk, and black, and most apparently lacked the basic skills needed to tune a guitar, but a small number stand out, BB King and Billie Holiday, to name two, and I like Solomon Burke; the vast majority of the rest are just crap, but we're supposed to pretend they're like, deep n stuff, according to a bunch of bourgeois white stoners who think we're supposed to revere garbage.
 
Tork was a great dude.
Page and Gilmour gave the Insects( cockroach-beetle) a real quick " go bloody home'ns STFU boys,

According to people I know in the biz, he's the only one they met who wasn't an asshole. They're usually solid people who have been around a while and I beleive they're telling the truth.
 

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