Perrys Gaffe, what of Barrys?? Obama and the 57, or was that 58 states of America

[Intense]

So if Perry's gaffe makes him unfit to be President, was Barry unfit (for you leftists) using your own standards????? Come on.. try to actually employ your brain cells and honesty.

I dont get your point? are you pro-gaffe? and who's standards are you referring too? This isnt the Dem primary, were you aware of that?

No, she was just being Impartial. I know you are not used to that.

 

[ClosedCaption]

So if Perry's gaffe makes him unfit to be President, was Barry unfit (for you leftists) using your own standards????? Come on.. try to actually employ your brain cells and honesty.

I dont get your point? are you pro-gaffe? and who's standards are you referring too? This isnt the Dem primary, were you aware of that?

No, she was just being Impartial. I know you are not used to that.

I think you should look up the word, because that is not what she was doing.

Is she pro-gaffe? And who's standards is she referring too? Perry is done because the GOP wont elect him, the dems have nothing to do with his doneness? does Gunslinger understand?

 

[rdean]

wishing wont make it so.

Obama was already vetted by the american people.

The voter will decide if he is fit or not.


You wont convince anyone by insulting those who have already desided Perry is not the right man for the job.

I'm not a Perry supporter, Amoeba. I'm asking for the same measure of judgement to be applied to Barry.. Nothing more, nothing less.. You are incapable of thought, much less intellectual integrity thus you're excused from this thread.. Run along to the Children's table and keep your mouth shut when you chew.

You aren't very bright. During the debate, Romney said he was married 25 years and then quickly corrected himself and said 42 years. But suppose he had been tired and out on the campaign trail. Everyone has said one thing and meant another. It's no big deal.

What is a big deal is saying you will dismantle three federal departments affecting a country and possibly hundreds of millions of people. And the one Perry "forgot" was the Department of Energy. They same department that inspects nuclear power plants and federal labs. And when he finally "remembered" what he has been previously told, he didn't even mention to whom those duties would be turned over too.

Republicans in their zeal to destroy the federal government haven't "thought through" their "plans". But then they never do.

To compare saying 57 to that is ludricrous. And right wingers wonder why they keep getting laughed at. It's not that others are "elite", it's that right wingers don't spend any time thinking things through. Here is a perfect example.

 

[Intense]

MIXTURE OF TRUE AND FALSE INFORMATION

Examples:

[Collected via e-mail, June 2008]

I guesss Obama was speaking the truth about the 57 states.

You are aware, probably, that Barack Obama lost his bearings recently and said that he was going to campaign in all 57 states. You heard this? And everybody chalked it up to, 'Well, he's tired.'

Barack Obama says he's gonna go out and campaign in 57 states, he was just tired, you know, it's been such a long campaign, he's been so many places, he probably thinks there are 57 states. Well, I have here a printout from a website called the International Humanist and Ethical Union. And here is how the second paragraph of an article on that website begins. 'Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states presented a resolution to the United Nations commission on human rights called combating.' And the title of the piece here is, 'How the Islamic states dominate the UN human rights council,' and there are 57 of them.

Obama said he's going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are 57 Islamic states. There are 57 Islamic states. So did Obama just lose his bearings, or was this a more telling slip, ladies and gentlemen?

[Collected via e-mail, May 2008]

When Obama said he campaigned in all 57 states, the immediate response to his error is that there are 57 Islamic states. Is that a correct number of Islamic countries?

[Collected via e-mail, May 2008]

Someone sent me this quote. Can you please verify? Thanks!

"It is wonderful to be back in Oregon," Obama said. "Over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it."


Origins: On the campaign trail in Beaverton, Oregon, in May 2008, an obviously tired Barack Obama mistakenly told a crowd that over the course of the long campaign he had been to fifty-seven states in the U.S., with one left to go:

"... it is just wonderful to be back in Oregon, and over the last 15 months we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in fifty .... seven states? I think one left to go. One left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit but my staff would not justify it."



Talking with reporters at a later campaign stop, Senator Obama expressed concern that he'd recently misstated both the number of potential victims of a recent cyclone in Burma and the number of states he'd visited, saying: "I hope I said 100 thousand people the first time instead of 100 million. I understand I said there were 57 states today. It's a sign that my numeracy is getting a little, uh ..."

Quickly
enough, based on the (spurious) rumor that Barack Obama is a Muslim, someone came up with the fanciful idea that his mention of "fifty-seven states" was a reference to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), which has 57 member states. (Actually, the OIC encompasses 60 countries altogether: 57 member states and 3 observer states.)

The actual intent behind Senator Obama's misstatement is easy to discern without the need to invoke an obscure international organization. He was trying to express the thought that in all the time he had spent on the campaign trail so far in 2007-08, he had visited all (48) of the states in the continental U.S. save for one (i.e., "one left to go," excluding Alaska and Hawaii), but in his weariness he slipped up and started off with "fifty" instead of "forty." (Note the long pause in the video clip between the words "fifty" and "seven.")

As for the next obvious question, depending upon the definitional criteria used, there are more or less than 57 Islamic countries/nations/states in the world. If an Islamic state is defined to mean any country in which a majority of the indigenous population is Muslim, then the total number of Islamic states is actually a little lower (about 52). All such numbers are estimates, however, and are subject to additional definitional criteria.

As for Barack Obama's "fifty-seven states" verbal slip-up, it wasn't long before some wags also spoofed a previous controversy over the senator's eschewing the wearing of a U.S. flag lapel pin by coming up with a revised version of that familiar adornment:


snopes.com: Barack Obama and 57 States

 

[geauxtohell]

So if Perry's gaffe makes him unfit to be President, was Barry unfit (for you leftists) using your own standards????? Come on.. try to actually employ your brain cells and honesty.

Perry isn't trying to convince the left to vote for him, nitwit.

He's trying to convince the right. The gaffe isn't hurting him with the left wing voters. We are just laughing at the fool.

It's hurting him with the right.

This is the primary and not the general.

Finally, that was more than a gaffe.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Gunslinger: perpetual victim card ACTIVATE!

 

[rightwinger]

What I want to know from Perry and all the other candidates scrambling to shut down government agencies is what are you going to do to replace them? How are you going to ensure that the critical functions they perform will continue to be performed. What are your savings and what are we sacrificing to get those savings?

Instead, we get one upmanship in I can close more agencies than you can

 

[geauxtohell]

What I want to know from Perry and all the other candidates scrambling to shut down government agencies is what are you going to do to replace them? How are you going to ensure that the critical functions they perform will continue to be performed. What are your savings and what are we sacrificing to get those savings?

Instead, we get one upmanship in I can close more agencies than you can

I think it's safe to say that if he can't even name all three agencies, the more nuanced points of his plan haven't quite been hashed out yet.

 

[Teals_Of_Wonder]

and can you imagine if a teleprompter crashed to the floor while Perry was reading from it? Would it be the lead story at the top of every hour on MSNBC, 24/7? MSNBC : Morons,Socialists,Nincompoops,Birbrains&Coons

 

[BDBoop]

Oh, look. Another "stuck on stupid" thread.

Here's a clue for those playing along at home. If you have to go back FOUR YEARS to find something comparable? Your point is rendered invalid.

 

[BDBoop]

P.S.: Were he to be elected, I am SURE you'll have no problem with me calling the man Ricky Perez every change I get. Right?

 

[jgarden]

So if Perry's gaffe makes him unfit to be President, was Barry unfit (for you leftists) using your own standards????? Come on.. try to actually employ your brain cells and honesty.

President Barry's "gaffe" was an isolated incident

BUT

Rick Perry's "gaffe" is part of an ongoing pattern of not being good at expressing his ideas in public!
That's the reason why Herman Cain, despite the accusations, is still ranked among the top GOP presidential candidates, while Rick Perry's support is still in the single digits!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What I want to know from Perry and all the other candidates scrambling to shut down government agencies is what are you going to do to replace them? How are you going to ensure that the critical functions they perform will continue to be performed. What are your savings and what are we sacrificing to get those savings?

Correct.

This is indicative of the disaster the GOP has become, that its presidential candidates must pander to the radical right with ignorant nonsense such as shutting down Federal departments without a plan to address the many important tasks these agencies address.

This clearly illustrates how naïve conservatives are with regard to realities of responsible governance; and how the dogmatic fantasy contrived by the right as to the Federal government has no basis in fact.

 

[rightwinger]

What I want to know from Perry and all the other candidates scrambling to shut down government agencies is what are you going to do to replace them? How are you going to ensure that the critical functions they perform will continue to be performed. What are your savings and what are we sacrificing to get those savings?

Correct.

This is indicative of the disaster the GOP has become, that its presidential candidates must pander to the radical right with ignorant nonsense such as shutting down Federal departments without a plan to address the many important tasks these agencies address.

This clearly illustrates how naïve conservatives are with regard to realities of responsible governance; and how the dogmatic fantasy contrived by the right as to the Federal government has no basis in fact.

It goes beyond that. They have no idea of what the functions of those agencies are. That was evident in Perry not being able to identify the Commerce Department. Anyone who had done serious study of the Commerce Department, its responsibilities and the potential impacts of closing it would not have had a problem remembering its name

It was obvious that Perry was just working off of a list of agencies to be closed

 

[geauxtohell]

and can you imagine if a teleprompter crashed to the floor while Perry was reading from it? Would it be the lead story at the top of every hour on MSNBC, 24/7? MSNBC : Morons,Socialists,Nincompoops,Birbrains&Coons

Perry could have used a teleprompter.

Maybe it wasn't such a bad idea after all, eh?

 

[Teals_Of_Wonder]

We need Perry in all the debates, he makes us laugh!

 

[J.E.D]

Totalitarian. Got it. Thanks for Playing.

Uhh....what are you talking about now? Have you resigned yourself to just throw out random things or do you really believe I'm a totalitarian. I hope it's the former, because there is no way that a sane, reasonable person could conclude from my post that I'm a totalitarian.

Either you support Unalienable Rights or you don't. Either you support Private Property Rights, Speech Rights, Impartial Justice or you don't. You need to clarify and clean up your act. I'm not judging you on a single post. I'm not judging you at all, actually. Outside of Grace we are already condemned, there is no need for Judgement. Why do you think we are here in the first place? In matters of Conscience, we Each have a Responsibility, look at it as a second chance to redeem the day.

Classic Liberalism Champions Individual Liberty. Progressive Statism Demands It's Sacrifice. The Progressive State is not about Correcting Wrongs, it is about taking control, eliminating the Middle Man. Dissension, Question, no matter how Noble is an Abomination to the Statist. Power and Image the concern. The End Justifies the Means. To a Person Of Conscience, The Means justifies the End. Principle, Establishing it, Servicing It, Administering it, comes before Image.

What does any of that have to do with my choice of candidates? Again, unlike you inferred, I am an informed voter. I listened to both sides and I made my choice. How does that make me a totalitarian? I think even you can admit that you were full of shit when you made that charge. All of the right-wing talking points about liberals being secret Marxists won't change that fact.

 

[rightwinger]

We need Perry in all the debates, he makes us laugh!

He does make the other candidates look like intellectuals

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Either you support Unalienable Rights or you don't. Either you support Private Property Rights, Speech Rights, Impartial Justice or you don't.

One does not ‘support’ inalienable rights, those rights exist by virtue of one being a person. The only issue is does one support due process in protection of those rights, and conservatives, for the most part, do not.

The same is true with regard to free speech and takings, the support of due process in the protection of those rights.

And again, liberals have demonstrated themselves to be the true champions of privacy rights, due process rights, and equal protection rights.

Conservatives, for the most part, have advocated mitigating or undermining those rights to ‘fight crime,’ conduct a ‘war on terror,’ and restrict members of society from equal access to the law.

 

[Intense]

why do you need his school records. he was top 10% of his law school class at harvard. do you really need more than that?

it's kind of weird that people keep whining about his school records, but no one addresses that little reality.

There are legal matters concerning lying on Applications and Records, Jillian. Again, he has not been vetted. Are we stuck with him? Yes. Can you testify that there was no false information or fraud? No. I'm just pointing out the obvious.

Why do Americans have such an obsession for people's marks in school?

It's not about the marks. It's about lying on Applications.