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    Mark Steyn. I won't/can't flood post. So many forums, one idea.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...2202.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2005/02/22/ixop.html

     
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    I agree with the substance of the posted article. The "West" became terminal in 1989, when the Berlin Wall fell. It died when the US invaded Iraq. There is an Anglo remnant of the West: America, UK, and Australia, but that's about it. The babble about “shared values” between America and the EU is incoherent. What values does America share with the socialists on the Iberian Peninsula, the Gaullists, Germany’s Social-Democrats, and Britain’s Labor Party? The US and the EU are on different trajectories into the future. The real question is: what replaces the “West?” Political and economic confrontation between the US and the EU is today’s reality. Does military confrontation wait in the future? There are those that think the EU will fail. I am not among them. What shape will the EU Defense Force have in 2020? Will the EU participate in what will become the American led militarization of Space? It is hard to believe that only America-Japan-Australia will have Ballistic Missile Defense and anti-satellite weapons. When America confronted the now dead Soviet Union, Europe was center stage. Now Europe is no longer the fulcrum of international affairs. The new center of geopolitical gravity is the Pacific Basin and the emerging competition between America-Japan-Australia v. China. We know where the EU stands in that competition: ready to provide weapons to China.
     
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    Excellent analysis of the geo-political realities, 1D.

    I would agree that Japan is now a stronger future ally than either France, Belgium, or Germany.

    Apparently, the vice-President of Belgium now takes a bi-daily leak on a urinal sticker of President Bush in the bathroom set aside for the executives of that government. And does so with gusto.

    Japanese heads of government, the American people now realize, have a great deal more class than these juvinile politicians who run the administration for these socialist leaning states.

    The EU officials might as well have a 'world leaders' excursion together with North Korea, Iran, and China in the badlands and light a flame to a giant effigy of Bush, and cheer while it burns in the desert.

    Kathianne's post on Steyn hits the nail on its head. I've seen video of the press conference with Bush and Shcreoder and see exactly what the author it talking about. Real allies don't need to be coddled.
     
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    Isn't it ironic that western Europe is gradually descending into a communist style of socialism while their governments and societies become ever more secular? Drugs, prostitution, euthanasia, and abortion, if not already legal, are becoming more and more common.

    The type of government and social systems sponsored by Stalin and Kruschev were energetically opposed by the West. Now those same nations adopt quasi-communism on their own volition.

    Somewhere Nikita K. is laughing his ass off.
     

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