Peres blasts Netanyahu:

[Jos]

According to Peres, "most of the world will support the Palestinians, justify their actions, level the sharpest criticism at us, falsely label us a racist state. Our economy will suffer gravely if a boycott is declared against us. The world's Jews want an Israel they can be proud of and not an Israel that has no borders and that is considered an occupying state."

Peres blasts Netanyahu: Terror attacks will resume - Israel News, Ynetnews
The trifecta?

 

[irosie91]

What else is new? Peres is being Peres

 

[Lipush]

Be'ezrat HaShem, in January 22 we will have a new leader

 

[irosie91]

who?

 

[Lipush]

Dunno, but hopes for a better one.

 

[georgephillip]

According to Peres, "most of the world will support the Palestinians, justify their actions, level the sharpest criticism at us, falsely label us a racist state. Our economy will suffer gravely if a boycott is declared against us. The world's Jews want an Israel they can be proud of and not an Israel that has no borders and that is considered an occupying state."

Peres blasts Netanyahu: Terror attacks will resume - Israel News, Ynetnews
The trifecta?

"'He (Netanyahu) may do nothing, but that doesn't mean that things won't be done. This idea, that history is a horse that can be held by the tail, is a foolish idea. After all, the fire can be lit in an instant: another word, another shot, and in the end everyone will lose control. If there is no diplomatic decision, the Palestinians will go back to terror,' Peres told Bergman."

So when Jews annex Area C will we see a return to terrorism on the part of Palestinians?

Peres blasts Netanyahu: Terror attacks will resume - Israel News, Ynetnews

 

[irosie91]

According to Peres, "most of the world will support the Palestinians, justify their actions, level the sharpest criticism at us, falsely label us a racist state. Our economy will suffer gravely if a boycott is declared against us. The world's Jews want an Israel they can be proud of and not an Israel that has no borders and that is considered an occupying state."

Peres blasts Netanyahu: Terror attacks will resume - Israel News, Ynetnews
The trifecta?

"'He (Netanyahu) may do nothing, but that doesn't mean that things won't be done. This idea, that history is a horse that can be held by the tail, is a foolish idea. After all, the fire can be lit in an instant: another word, another shot, and in the end everyone will lose control. If there is no diplomatic decision, the Palestinians will go back to terror,' Peres told Bergman."

So when Jews annex Area C will we see a return to terrorism on the part of Palestinians?




the issue of importance mentioned in the article is "palestinians is not the only
problem" and "there are a billion and a half muslims in the world.
The real problem is that a billiion and a half people in the world are told
from childhood that if they destroy Israel ----the magical caliphate will
reappear and JANNAH FOREVER ON EARTH-----for every muslim.
It is not possible to make "palestinians" happy. and even "happy
palestinians" would not change the minds of the rest of the
muslims of the world

Jews will see a return of terrorism -----if jews continue to exist
IT IS SO WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF TRUTH

In order to end terrorism ---muslims will have to reinterpret the koran

My sense of the New Testament is that it can and has been interpreted to
either support of not support oppression and coercion upon disenters
--and specific hatred against jews

But it is far more difficult to read the koran and not interpret it as a
mandate for violence against OTHERS and so far no one has
effectively done it. The few who have tried are generally
rejected

Christians have ----defacto given up justinian law aka canon law ---
limiting it do scholarly discussion amongst priests
Muslims are very attached to shariah

 

[MJB12741]

Netanyahu should be tried & convicted for war crimes against his own citizens. Who in their right mind ever treated Palestinians like he does with peace offerings' a security fence & land concessions so they can remain to kill more Israeli's? Shame on him for provoking the Palestinians into hatred & violence by keeping them captives in Israel when all the Palestinians want is to be free from Israel.

According to Peres, "most of the world will support the Palestinians, justify their actions, level the sharpest criticism at us, falsely label us a racist state. Our economy will suffer gravely if a boycott is declared against us. The world's Jews want an Israel they can be proud of and not an Israel that has no borders and that is considered an occupying state."

Peres blasts Netanyahu: Terror attacks will resume - Israel News, Ynetnews
The trifecta?

 

[proudveteran06]

According to Peres, "most of the world will support the Palestinians, justify their actions, level the sharpest criticism at us, falsely label us a racist state. Our economy will suffer gravely if a boycott is declared against us. The world's Jews want an Israel they can be proud of and not an Israel that has no borders and that is considered an occupying state."

Peres blasts Netanyahu: Terror attacks will resume - Israel News, Ynetnews
The trifecta?

So it's Netanyahu's fault that Abbas refuses to " negotiate?" Don't think so. Why would Israel be considered " racist?" Having a " Palestinian State" with NO Israelis ( Talking about Arabs) isn't Racist? Typical Pro- Palestinian Mentality. Maybe Peres can tell Netanyahu why terror attacks actually increased immediately after Israel left Gaza. Now that they are " officially" considered part of the U.N. Israel can retaliate with maximum force

 

[Lipush]

According to Peres, "most of the world will support the Palestinians, justify their actions, level the sharpest criticism at us, falsely label us a racist state. Our economy will suffer gravely if a boycott is declared against us. The world's Jews want an Israel they can be proud of and not an Israel that has no borders and that is considered an occupying state."

Peres blasts Netanyahu: Terror attacks will resume - Israel News, Ynetnews
The trifecta?

So it's Netanyahu's fault that Abbas refuses to " negotiate?" Don't think so. Why would Israel be considered " racist?" Having a " Palestinian State" with NO Israelis ( Talking about Arabs) isn't Racist? Typical Pro- Palestinian Mentality. Maybe Peres can tell Netanyahu why terror attacks actually increased immediately after Israel left Gaza. Now that they are " officially" considered part of the U.N. Israel can retaliate with maximum force

Still, it's time for Bibi to give the keys away, IMHO

 

[L.K.Eder]

who should take over? naftali bennett?

 

[Lipush]

who should take over? naftali bennett?

Don't you see my sig?

We have seen what Bibi did (Or didn't do) for Israel. I think a time for a change is needed.

 

[L.K.Eder]

who should take over? naftali bennett?

Don't you see my sig?

We have seen what Bibi did (Or didn't do) for Israel. I think a time for a change is needed.

no, i don't see sigs.

i block them.

 

[Lipush]

who should take over? naftali bennett?

Don't you see my sig?

We have seen what Bibi did (Or didn't do) for Israel. I think a time for a change is needed.

no, i don't see sigs.

i block them.

But you still get the point.

 

[proudveteran06]

Peres blasts Netanyahu: Terror attacks will resume - Israel News, Ynetnews
The trifecta?

So it's Netanyahu's fault that Abbas refuses to " negotiate?" Don't think so. Why would Israel be considered " racist?" Having a " Palestinian State" with NO Israelis ( Talking about Arabs) isn't Racist? Typical Pro- Palestinian Mentality. Maybe Peres can tell Netanyahu why terror attacks actually increased immediately after Israel left Gaza. Now that they are " officially" considered part of the U.N. Israel can retaliate with maximum force

Still, it's time for Bibi to give the keys away, IMHO

Israel " tried" to throw the keys away but it didn't work


PA rejects Olmert's offer to withdraw from 93% of West Bank

Abbas rep.: Proposal a 'waste of time'; PM intent on reaching deal during his remaining time in office.

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Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Tuesday rejected an Israeli peace proposal, which included withdrawal from 93 percent of the West Bank, because it does not provide for a contiguous Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital.

Nabil Abu Rdainah, Abbas's spokesman, told the official Palestinian news agency WAFA that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's plan showed a "lack of seriousness."

Under the proposal, Israel would return to the Palestinians 93 percent of the West Bank, plus all of the Gaza Strip, when the Palestinian Authority regains control over the Gaza Strip, which the militant group Hamas seized from forces loyal to Abbas in June 2006.

Olmert presented Abbas with the proposal as part of an agreement in principle on borders, refugees and security arrangements between Israel and a future Palestinian state.

In exchange for West Bank land that Israel would keep, Olmert proposed a 5.5 percent land swap giving the Palestinians a desert territory adjacent to the Gaza Strip.

Olmert's proposal first emerged several months ago and was published in detail on Tuesday by Haaretz, prompting Abu Rdainah's response.

"The Israeli proposal is not acceptable," Abbas's spokesman said. "The Palestinian side will only accept a Palestinian state with territorial continuity, with holy Jerusalem as its capital, without settlements, and on the June 4, 1967 boundaries."

He called the Israeli proposal a "waste of time."

Olmert spokesman Mark Regev said the Olmert was serious about continuing the peace talks.

But another Israeli official said Olmert was merely trying to establish his legacy. "There is going to be no agreement, period," he said on condition of anonymity.

Olmert, who met with Abbas this week, feels there is time to reach an agreement during his remaining time in office. Two weeks ago, Olmert announced that he would not participate in the upcoming primary election within his Kadima Party and that he would step down from his post when his successor is named.

The centerpiece of Olmert's detailed proposal is the suggested permanent border, which would be based on an Israeli withdrawal from most of the West Bank. In return for the land retained by Israel in the West Bank, the Palestinians would receive alternative land in the Negev, adjacent to the Gaza Strip. The Palestinians would also enjoy free passage between Gaza and the West Bank without any security checks, the proposal says.

A senior Israeli official said the Palestinians were given preliminary maps of the proposed borders.

Under Olmert's offer, Israel would keep 7 percent of the West Bank, while the Palestinians would receive territory equivalent to 5.5 percent of West Bank. Israel views the passage between Gaza and the West Bank as compensating for this difference: Though it would officially remain in Israeli hands, it would connect the two halves of the Palestinian state - a connection the Palestinians did not enjoy before 1967, when the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian control and the West Bank was part of Jordan.

The land to be annexed to Israel would include the large settlement blocs, and the border would be similar to the present route of the separation fence. Israel would keep Ma'aleh Adumim, Gush Etzion, the settlements surrounding Jerusalem and some land in the northern West Bank adjacent to Israel.

Since Olmert and Defense Minister Ehud Barak recently approved more construction in both Efrat and Ariel, two settlements relatively far from the 1949 armistice lines, it is reasonable to assume that Olmert wants to include these settlements in the territory annexed to Israel as well.

Olmert's proposal states that once a border is agreed upon, Israel would be able to build freely in the settlement blocs to be annexed.

The settlements outside the new border would be evacuated in two stages. First, after the agreement in principle is signed, the cabinet would initiate legislation to compensate settlers who voluntarily relocate within Israel or to settlement blocs slated to be annexed. Over the past few months, Olmert has approved construction of thousands of housing units in these settlement blocs, mostly around Jerusalem, and some are intended for the voluntary evacuees.

In the second stage, once the Palestinians complete a series of internal reforms and are capable of carrying out the entire agreement, Israel would remove any settlers remaining east of the new border.

Olmert will to try to sell the deal to the Israeli public based on a staged program of implementation. The present negotiations, which started with the Annapolis Summit in November 2007, are intended to reach a "shelf agreement" that would lay the foundations of a Palestinian state. However, implementation of the shelf agreement would be postponed until the Palestinian Authority is capable of carrying out its part of the deal.

Olmert's proposal for a land swap introduces a new stage in the arrangement: Israel would immediately receive the settlement blocs, but the land to be transferred to the Palestinians and the free passage between Gaza and the West Bank would only be delivered after the PA retakes control of the Gaza Strip. In this way, Olmert could tell the Israeli public that Israel is receiving 7 percent of the West Bank and an agreed-upon border, while the Israeli concessions will be postponed until Hamas rule in Gaza has ended.

Abbas, for his part, could tell his people that he has succeeded in obtaining 98 percent of the West Bank from Israel, along with a promise to remove all settlers over the border.

The Palestinians' proposal had talked about a much smaller land swap, of about 2 percent of the West Bank.

Compared to previous Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, the Olmert proposal falls between the one then prime minister Barak presented to Yasser Arafat at Camp David in July 2000 and the one he offered at Taba in January 2001. The Palestinian proposal is similar to the ones offered during the Arafat years, which would have allowed Israel to annex only a few settlements, along with their access roads - a proposal nicknamed "balloons and strings." All these Palestinian proposals ruled out allowing Israel to retain the settlement blocs.

Since then, however, the separation fence has been built in the West Bank, and a new physical reality has been created in the areas where the fence has been completed.

Israel also presented the Palestinians with a detailed model of new security arrangements under the proposed agreement. The security proposal was drawn up by a team headed by Maj. Gen. Ido Nehoshtan, now commander of the Israel Air Force, but previously head of the army's Plans and Policy Directorate. The proposal has also been passed on to the Americans, in an effort to obtain their support for Israel's position during the negotiations.

The security proposal includes a demand that the Palestinian state be demilitarized and without an army. The Palestinians, in contrast, are demanding that their security forces be capable of defending against "outside threats," an Israeli official said.

On the refugee issue, Olmert's proposal rejects a Palestinian "right of return" and states that the refugees may only return to the Palestinian state, other than exceptional cases in which refugees would be allowed into Israel for family reunification. Nevertheless, the proposal includes a detailed and complex formula for solving the refugee problem.

Olmert has agreed with Abbas that the negotiations over Jerusalem will be postponed. In doing so, he gave in to the Shas Party's threats that it would leave the coalition if Jerusalem were put on the negotiating table.

Olmert views reaching an agreement with the Palestinians as extremely important. Such an agreement would entrench the two-state solution in the international community's consciousness, along with a detailed framework for achieving this solution. In Olmert's opinion, this is the only way Israel can rebuff challenges to its legitimacy and avoid calls for a "one-state solution." Such an agreement would show that Israel is not interested in controlling the territories, or the Palestinians, over the long run, but only until conditions arise that enable the establishment of a Palestinian state. This position has received strong support from the present U.S. administration.




In addition it was proposed that E. Jerusalem be shared. Many of Israel 's Holiest sites are there and Israel will never be deprived of them again. Jordan was supposed to let the Israelis have access to those sites but of course didn't. Israel will never go back to the Borders that the Arabs themselves have never recognized or respected. The above is " Occupation?" lol GUESS IT IS, THEN. Let the Israelis continue to " occupy".

 

[Lipush]

Well, of course, Olmert won't be on my top list, but well....

 

[L.K.Eder]

Don't you see my sig?

We have seen what Bibi did (Or didn't do) for Israel. I think a time for a change is needed.

no, i don't see sigs.

i block them.

But you still get the point.

after checking out your sig, i realize i indeed get it.

great plan.

 

[Lipush]

Cool.

 

[pbel]

According to Peres, "most of the world will support the Palestinians, justify their actions, level the sharpest criticism at us, falsely label us a racist state. Our economy will suffer gravely if a boycott is declared against us. The world's Jews want an Israel they can be proud of and not an Israel that has no borders and that is considered an occupying state."

Peres blasts Netanyahu: Terror attacks will resume - Israel News, Ynetnews
The trifecta?

"'He (Netanyahu) may do nothing, but that doesn't mean that things won't be done. This idea, that history is a horse that can be held by the tail, is a foolish idea. After all, the fire can be lit in an instant: another word, another shot, and in the end everyone will lose control. If there is no diplomatic decision, the Palestinians will go back to terror,' Peres told Bergman."

So when Jews annex Area C will we see a return to terrorism on the part of Palestinians?

Peres blasts Netanyahu: Terror attacks will resume - Israel News, Ynetnews

I hope they never go back to terrorism, besides they don't need to. The world via the UN is listening to their plight...If Israel does not seek peace in the next year or two, sanctions will follow...

 

[jillian]

According to Peres, "most of the world will support the Palestinians, justify their actions, level the sharpest criticism at us, falsely label us a racist state. Our economy will suffer gravely if a boycott is declared against us. The world's Jews want an Israel they can be proud of and not an Israel that has no borders and that is considered an occupying state."

Peres blasts Netanyahu: Terror attacks will resume - Israel News, Ynetnews
The trifecta?

and?

political parties disagree! oh no!

alert the media!