Pentagon find no evidence that Saddam tried to assasinate Poppy Bush

[jreeves]

I understand that you claimed it was not a reason for the war and I showed you the resolution which showed that it was...and you tap danced like a girlie man. I understand that part.

I understand you don't read things that inconvinent to your point of view.

 

[maineman]

I understand you don't read things that inconvinent to your point of view.

I read lots of stuff that is inconvenient.

I understand that your point of view was completely destroyed by the link I posted and you tap danced away from your own words.

oh. and absence of evidence does not prove that Saddam had not made a pact with space aliens from the planet Zorgon to buy their magical death ray either!

 

[jreeves]

I read lots of stuff that is inconvenient.

I understand that your point of view was completely destroyed by the link I posted and you tap danced away from your own words.

oh. and absence of evidence does not prove that Saddam had not made a pact with space aliens from the planet Zorgon to buy their magical death ray either!

I'm not tap dancing at all, I stand by what I said, that was not a reason for war, it was an example of a reason to go to war.

Also, absence of evidence I really believe you have mush for brians.

 

[jreeves]

I'm not tap dancing at all, I stand by what I said, that was not a reason for war, it was an example of a reason to go to war.

Also, absence of evidence I really believe you have mush for brians.

Like I said just because they didn't find the documents in this report doesn't mean, it didn't happen. Thanks, Brian H for the post earlier that MM can't read.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/iraq/timeline/062793.htm
Clinton relied heavily on evidence found by FBI bomb experts linking the Iraqi Intelligence Service to a 175-pound car bomb found April 14 in Kuwait City. According to senior intelligence and law enforcement officials, key pieces of the bomb -- including the remote-control detonator, the plastic explosives, the electronic circuitry and the wiring -- bore an overwhelming resemblance to components of bombs previously recovered from the Iraqis.

The White House press office distributed photographs of circuit boards and detonators taken from earlier Iraqi bombs, alongside photos of the same elements from the bomb meant for Bush. Even to the untrained eye, there were clear similarities.

"Certain aspects of these devices have been found only in devices linked to Iraq," an intelligence official said.

Clinton also had the confessions of the two alleged leaders of the 16 suspects arrested by Kuwait when the plot was uncovered. Both are Iraqi nationals. Ra'ad Asadi and Wali Abdelhadi Ghazali told FBI investigators detailed to Kuwait that they met in Basra, Iraq, on April 12 with "individuals they believed to be associated with the Iraqi Intelligence Service," according to a senior U.S. intelligence official.

They were given a vehicle loaded with hidden explosives. Ghazali told the FBI he was recruited specifically to kill Bush. Asadi also told the FBI he was to guide the car bomb, driven by his partner, to Kuwait University, where Bush was to be honored by the Emir of Kuwait for his leadership in the gulf war.

Administration officials said the suspects told the FBI that the bomb was to be parked near the motorcade route. From a vantage point 300 to 500 yards away, Ghazali would set off the bomb using a remote control. FBI bomb specialists estimated the bomb would have been lethal for nearly a quarter-mile.

FBI agents were told if the remote control device failed, the bomb was to be detonated by a timing device on a street in Kuwait City named for Bush. They were also told that Ghazali had a "bomb belt" he would use if all else failed; he was to wear it, approach Bush and blow them both up.

There have been reports that the suspects held in Kuwait have been tortured by Kuwaiti officials, but a senior law enforcement official said last night that FBI agents "believe they were not." Nevertheless, the official said, confessions are often unreliable, which is why the investigators placed "an especially great emphasis" on the conclusions of the bomb experts.

The CIA recalled that, after the gulf war, Saddam was heard on official Iraq media promising to hunt down and punish Bush, even after he left office. A senior intelligence official said the CIA also had classified evidence proving that the car bomb was meant for Bush, from Saddam.

"We could not and have not let such action against our nation go unanswered," Clinton said in his televised address. "From the first days of our revolution, America's security has depended on the clarity of this message: Don't tread on us."

Now is your argument that Clinton lied about this?

 

[maineman]

I'm not tap dancing at all, I stand by what I said, that was not a reason for war, it was an example of a reason to go to war.

it was an example of a reason.... but it somehow wasn't a reason.

what the fuck was it an example of, then?

that is a distinction invented by you with no meaning.

the black volkswagen in my driveway is an example of a black volkswagen.... but it isn't really a black volkswagen!

 

[Alpha1]

Good post jreeves .....

So what now mm.....cat got your tongue?

 

[jreeves]

Good post jreeves .....

So what now mm.....cat got your tongue?

It cracks me up with MM he presents something as a source, then doesn't even read his own source. It clearly states in his post that Iraq demonstrated hostitlity and willingness to attack as part of the reasons to go to war, in the paragraphed he's referencing. Then it goes on to say as examples of those reasons, there is the plot against Bush Sr. and firing on U.S. and coalition forces thousands of times.

Then not only that but the dumbass thinks, that the shit was cooked up by Bush Jr. for a reason to go to war. But there was evidence presented by the hacks(MM) own party's(democrats) President(Clinton) that the plot really happened.

 

[maineman]

It cracks me up with MM he presents something as a source, then doesn't even read his own source. It clearly states in his post that Iraq demonstrated hostitlity and willingness to attack as part of the reasons to go to war, in the paragraphed he's referencing. Then it goes on to say as examples of those reasons, there is the plot against Bush Sr. and firing on U.S. and coalition forces thousands of times.

Then not only that but the dumbass thinks, that the shit was cooked up by Bush Jr. for a reason to go to war. But there was evidence presented by the hacks(MM) own party's(democrats) President(Clinton) that the plot really happened.

I have never said anything about anyone cooking up the assassination attempt on Bush Sr. I just took issue - and rightfully so - with your suggestion that that assassination attempt was not one of the reasons we cited for going to war against Iraq.

 

[jreeves]

I have never said anything about anyone cooking up the assassination attempt on Bush Sr. I just took issue - and rightfully so - with your suggestion that that assassination attempt was not one of the reasons we cited for going to war against Iraq.

It was listed as an example as was firing on coalition and US forces thousands of times. The reason was Iraq's hostility and willingness to attack, look at your own post.

 

[maineman]

It was listed as an example as was firing on coalition and US forces thousands of times. The reason was Iraq's hostility and willingness to attack, look at your own post.

my own post says it was A reason....not THE reason.


There was NOT one single reason, but a multitude of them, and they were all listed in the resolution.... you asked for a link that showed that the assassination attempt was a reason for going to war. I gave it to you.

 

[maineman]

It was cited as a "reason" in the War Authorization dumbass.

Give a link dumbass....for the war authorization....

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html

"Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush..."
dumbass

DCD made a true statement....you asked for a link... I gave it to you.

 

[jreeves]

my own post says it was A reason....not THE reason.


There was NOT one single reason, but a multitude of them, and they were all listed in the resolution.... you asked for a link that showed that the assassination attempt was a reason for going to war. I gave it to you.

I agree that the assassination plot was mentioned in the resolution. But just cause it was mentioned in the resolution doesn't mean it was listed as a reason.

Regardless, the article that was posted in this thread is BS because there was evidence that was previously presented by Clinton that would scoff at this report. Like the article that was originally posted in this thread said just cause they didn't find the documents linking Saddam to the plot doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[maineman]

I agree that the assassination plot was mentioned in the resolution. But just cause it was mentioned in the resolution doesn't mean it was listed as a reason.

Regardless, the article that was posted in this thread is BS because there was evidence that was previously presented by Clinton that would scoff at this report. Like the article that was originally posted in this thread said just cause they didn't find the documents linking Saddam to the plot doesn't mean it didn't happen.

post 51. That was my only point. go back and look.

and your wiggling about an example of a reason not being a reason is fucking ridiculous.

 

[jreeves]

post 51. That was my only point. go back and look.

and your wiggling about an example of a reason not being a reason is fucking ridiculous.

I'm done with you, Mr. I can't read Saddam collaberated with AQ, Mr. I can't understand the difference between a reason and supporting examples. But that's fine, keep living in your life of partisian hackmanship.

 

[maineman]

I'm done with you, Mr. I can't read Saddam collaberated with AQ, Mr. I can't understand the difference between a reason and supporting examples. But that's fine, keep living in your life of partisian hackmanship.

"an example of a reason is not a reason."

again..is my volkswagen in my driveway actually a volkswagen in my driveway or is it only an example of a volkswagen in my driveway.

DCD said it was a reason - one of many. you asked for a link and I gave it to you. suck it up little boy.

And Saddam would have been suicidal to collaborate with AQ...and nobody has shown ANY proof of him doing so.

 

[jreeves]

"an example of a reason is not a reason."

again..is my volkswagen in my driveway actually a volkswagen in my driveway or is it only an example of a volkswagen in my driveway.

DCD said it was a reason - one of many. you asked for a link and I gave it to you. suck it up little boy.

And Saddam would have been suicidal to collaborate with AQ...and nobody has shown ANY proof of him doing so.

The substance of your argument is reduced to you repeating your own stupid ass statements.

Great angle...

 

[maineman]

The substance of your argument is reduced to you repeating your own stupid ass statements.

Great angle...

No...the substance of my argument is that I made one simple point here: DCD said that the assassination attempt was A reason for invasion as listed in the Use of Force resolution. you qouted that post, asked him for a link, and called him a dumbass. I provided a link which proved his point and called YOU a dumbass. Everything else is just you trying to change the argument from it being "a reason" to "the reason" and "a reason" to an "example of a reason".

Just admitting you fucked up when I posted the link would have saved us both a lot of time.

 

[jreeves]

No...the substance of my argument is that I made one simple point here: DCD said that the assassination attempt was A reason for invasion as listed in the Use of Force resolution. you qouted that post, asked him for a link, and called him a dumbass. I provided a link which proved his point and called YOU a dumbass. Everything else is just you trying to change the argument from it being "a reason" to "the reason" and "a reason" to an "example of a reason".

Just admitting you fucked up when I posted the link would have saved us both a lot of time.

Your hopeless...
Read the post, would you, the reason listed was hostility and a willingness to attack.
The supporting examples for those reasons were attacks on coalition and US forces and the plot to kill Bush Sr.
What is so freaking complicated with that? Dude you keep repeating yourself, everytime you do, your IQ keeps dropping. For godsake, your IQ wasn't that high to begin with. Is it possible for a person that types on a computer to have a negative IQ, guess will find out, huh?

 

[Gunny]

I can't help but LMAO at this thread. Just like the rest. Nothing too stupid for you leftwingnuts to try.

Saddam repeatedly violated the terms of the ceasefire. That's unquestionable fact. That alone was sufficient reason to resume hostilities against Iraq.

The rest is gravy. You want to keep Monday Morning QBing every little thing? Be my guest. It STILL won't change the fact above one iota.

That's called legal justification. Hope it tastes good.

 

[maineman]

Your hopeless...
Read the post, would you, the reason listed was hostility and a willingness to attack.

you need to read the resolution, hostility and a willingness to attack was one of the rationalizations listed in the plethora of "whereas" paragraphs that started that resolution. to state that it was THE reason is patently false. The resolutions contains many such reasons.

And you really have no reason to insult my intelligence. I have made my point and continue to make it. And the resolution clearly bears it out.

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