Bull Ring @Penelope: States requiring Car insurance vs. Federal mandates on health insurance

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  1. Penelope
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    So you want it all. I believe strongly in the mind/body experience, and as a healthcare provider I can tell you stress is a killer in many way, anxiety , etc ,but medical attention is needed. While the mind body can deter illnesses, sooner or later a body breaks down or one is born with bad genes. It will only get worst, if they kill the EPA, and the food we eat is full of chemicals to begin with . A relaxed unstressed mind can create a environment more conducive to health and healing. For some that might be in the form of prayer and meditation, or exercise, but there is a need for medical intervention sooner or later, and if your lucky enough to never have an accident or illness and just keel over and die when 85, good for you, but that is not the norm.
     
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    And once again you are pushing a far left religious narrative!

    You have proven you do not understand anything outside your religious dogma..

    Spiritual healing is a lot more than prayer, but if you wish to insult all those Native Americans and Hindu's please be my guest!
     
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    There are really only a few large health insurance companies, and before the ACA a IC paid lots. The reason HI is high is due to not making it mandatory. When companies are in charge they jack the price up. Clinton would of fixed the ACA, which needed some tinkering , but she never got the chance and neither did Obama. Everyone , every the poor has a right to have a family dr. and not have to go to the ers. There are many diseases and conditions that require medical care and would be best if monitored regularly, but the Pubs can't have that. Kick a dog to the street is what they want.
     
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    You mean a dance, and some smoke in the pipe. I'm not interested.
     
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    AGREE!!!

    YES the whole point is treat the WHOLE person
    and not neglect the CAUSE of stress that can weaken the
    * mind
    * immune system
    * body
    * and even functional relationships the person has with family, counselors or doctors

    NOTE: I AM quoting Dr. Francis MacNutt on this who explains it as treating
    the BODY MIND AND SPIRIT, all three levels using all available means,
    to treat the 'WHOLE PERSON'.

    Thank you Penelope
    We agree NOT to reject ANY medical help
    which also incurs greater costs and losses
    if this isn't used correctly in full where it would help!

    What is missing from your information is the use of spiritual healing
    to INCREASE the response and recovery rate by removing
    emotional blocks that otherwise prevent the patient from healing.

    So this ASSISTS medical intervention and has been shown
    to reduce costs and risks of complications, obstruction and rejection.

    Dr. Francis MacNutt conducted a published study on Rheumatoid Arthritis
    where some of the results exceeded anything that could be done with medicine.
    So this ADDS to the healing and effectiveness of medical treatment
    and does complete, conflict, diminish, deny or interfere in any way.
    If anything it REMOVES interference when patients have mental
    or emotional problems that otherwise prevent them from getting and complying with professional help.

    [See also Scott Peck's books on People of the Lie
    and Glimpses of the Devil, where he effectively counseled or
    cured people of severe mental illness using these methods
    so they could start complying with treatment instead of rejecting lifesaving help.]
     
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    Yes Obamacare allowed the bigger insurance companies to buy up a lot of the smaller ones creating less competition..

    And yes you hopped on your far left religious narrative and proved that you have nothing other than your religious dogma not based on reality or facts!
     
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    Yes we know the far left hates anything not part of the far left religion!
     
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    Dear Penelope it can still be fixed by transferring the given exchanges and mandates
    to Democrats to reform and make sustainable. I suggest by combining this with prison
    reform, and converting prisons into medical treatment, research and service programs
    for education, training and internships in public and mental health, the same resources
    we currently waste per state in the billions on FAILED mental health and prison systems,
    that make people sicker and warehouse people in prisons and on drugs, can be used
    to fund service providers, facilities and development to support universal care!

    What I will suggest to Ted Cruz and other officials and the Governor of Texas
    is to separate tracks and appoint Republicans to reform the VA to represent VETS
    and make that health care system work sustainably.
    And to allocate to Democrats to fix the ACA mandates and system
    in conjunction with prison and immigration reform where everyone who opts in
    is ENROLLED in sponsored programs to work out terms and conditions
    to cover costs of education and care, including jobs and housing.
    http://www.earnedamnesty.org

    given that the federal shutdown over conflicts in beliefs over ACA as unconstitutional
    cost taxpayers an est. 24 billion, I would suggest giving both parties who voted on this
    in Congress 12 billion in credit each as reimbursement owed to taxpayers to fix the problem.

    Then notes or credits can be issued against this debt to pay for jobs reforming systems
    such as VA or prisons, mental health and immigration enrollment,
    and the money saved by stopping the waste on crime and prison/medical costs,
    over the longrun, can eventually pay back the 24 billion that this cost taxpayers
    due to failure of Congress to resolve conflicts in advance that caused a shutdown
    instead of passing constitutional reform in the first place by leaving options OPEN.
     
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    No interested in your new age , old age healing stuff. I went through all that new age/ old age, stuff in my 20's.
     
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    Yes we know the far left hates anything not part of the far left religion!

    Here’s How Much Obamacare Premiums Are Rising in All 50 States

    Obamacare was supposed to be cheaper, yet it is now causing people to decide whether to pay for health insurance or eat!

    It is a disaster and only a far left drone would not see it!
     

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