Pearl Harbor and the Deceptions of War.

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    Pearl Harbor and the Deceptions of War.

    BlackAsCoal
    December 7, 2008


    As America commemorates this day of mourning and sorrow for the lives lost at Pearl Harbor 67 years ago on this day, it is also wise to learn and teach the lessons of that fateful day. I can think of no wiser words on the lessons of December 7, 1941 than the words of Sun Tzu, "All war is based on deception.” No differently than Hitler’s Reichstag Fire, the “surprise” attack on Pearl Harbor was a deception. Roosevelt knew the Japanese were on their way to Pearl Harbor and that it would be attacked. In fact, he not only goaded the Japanese to attack, he welcomed it.

    During the presidential elections of 1940, FDR campaigned as a man of peace. During the last days of the campaign he said these words on October 30, 1940 in Boston, "I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars." Two days later in Brooklyn, he had this to say, "I am fighting to keep our people out of foreign wars. And I will keep on fighting." The very next day in Rochester, New York, he said this, "Your national government ... is equally a government of peace -- a government that intends to retain peace for the American people." On the same day in Buffalo, New York, he said, "Your President says this country is not going to war." On the next day, November 3rd in Cleveland, he said, "The first purpose of our foreign policy is to keep our country out of war." FDR campaigned and won the election on his promise of peace.

    However, underneath the campaign promises and speeches, FDR had already opened up secret communications with Winston Churchill, and soon after his election, FDR began to put in place all the elements of going to war. Stanford University history professor Thomas Bailey, who coined the term “International Gangsterism,” wrote in his book. “The Man on the Street”, “Franklin Roosevelt has repeatedly deceived the American people during the period before Pearl Harbor. He was like the physician who must tell the patient lies for the patient's own good. The country was overwhelmingly noninterventionist to the very day of Pearl Harbor, and an overt attempt to lead the people into war would have resulted in certain failure and an almost certain ousting of Roosevelt in 1940, with a complete defeat of his ultimate aims.” In spite of all of his pronouncements of peace, FDR was anxious to get America involved in the war that was ravaging through Europe, and he took great steps to ensure that would happen. His most bold and tragic step was to allow the death and destruction at Pearl Harbor to happen without challenge. As he suspected, it was the last step he needed.

    Americans don’t like uncomfortable truth and there are many who will reject any knowledge not created by Hollywood or not found in the so-called “mainstream” media. But there are many truths too obvious to ignore or cover-up with “patriotism.” Just a little more than an hour before the attack on Pearl Harbor began, The USS Ward sunk a Japanese minisub just off Pearl Harbor Bay. All totaled, four minisubs would be sunk and one would run aground that day. The range of a minisub at the time was about 60 miles. Thus, unless Japan lies 60 miles off the coast of Pearl Harbor, we had to have known that there were some very large ships sitting somewhere nearby that brought them there. Yet, we didn’t even send out recon to look for them. The first Japanese planes were seen on radar nearly an hour before the air strike began. Yet, this also went unchallenged. There is absolutely no historical question of whether FDR knew an attack was imminent, but the misdirect put out by FDR himself was that the Japanese fleet would attack the Philippines or Guam. The truth was that we had already cracked the Japanese code and we knew the attack would come at Pearl Harbor. Supposedly we were searching for the Japanese fleet, but paid no attention when it showed up at our door.

    There are several theories of why FDR was so anxious to get America involved in the war and why he would allow such death and destruction to occur unchallenged. America was slowly pulling itself out of the Great Depression and war has always been a profitable money-making business for America. But on November 5th, 1940, the very next day after FDR was re-elected, he announced plans to open “the Arsenal of Democracy” for Great Britain. In December 1940, he announced the Lend-Lease Act to the American public, and in March of 1941, Congress passed it. The act fired up America’s industrial engines that had laid dormant throughout the Depression. It was a rousing success, thus FDR did not have to go to war to profit from it.

    The truth of why FDR clamored for war so much that he allowed Pearl Harbor to happen can be found in examining the relationship between him and Winston Churchill before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Churchill implored FDR to get involved in the war and told him that Britain was on the verge of defeat and was completely broke. He warned, “If we go down you may have a United States of Europe under Nazi command far more numerous, far stronger, far better armed than the New World.” Many influential Americans such as, Herbert Hoover, Joseph Kennedy, and Charles Lindbergh opposed entering the war. Both FDR and Churchill came to recognize that Japan would be the gateway to their aims and soon after re-election, FDR began a series of steps to goad Japan into an attack.

    There can hardly be a more credible source of this truth than Winston Churchill himself. Churchill wrote in his Nobel Prize winning series on WWII, “The Second World War,” that FDR knew about the Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor. In it, Churchill makes the points that a) Hawaii's commanders did not get proper warning, b) he was not going to judge what FDR did at Pearl Harbor, c) that he and FDR were very afraid that the US could not come into the war unless Japan attacked the U.S., d) FDR welcomed the attack, e) Pearl Harbor was worth the price. FDR "knew the full and immediate purpose" of the Japanese at Pearl Harbor, said Churchill. FDR goaded the Japanese to attack, then he allowed it to happen.

    No differently that than the attack on the USS Maine by the Spanish, that never happened, but led to the Spanish/American War, the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, that never happened, but led to greater US involvement in Vietnam, or the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam did not have that led to the invasion of Iraq, the “surprise” attack on Pearl Harbor was no surprise at all. It was just another deception of war.

    As we approach the inauguration of Barack Obama, another so-called “man of peace”, whose entire cabinet did not have the “good judgment” to recognize the all too obvious deceptions of the invasion of Iraq, it is wise to remember and teach the lessons of Pearl Harbor and the deceptions of war. America is already involved in two wars at the same time with other serious major conflicts looming close by. Obama talks a lot about Lincoln, but his closest parallel may be that of Roosevelt. Only this time, instead of coming out of a depression, America is sinking into one. Talking peace and walking war by deception is a strategy America can ill-afford, and all Americans should remain diligent to ensure that does not happen .. again.
     
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    This belongs in conspiracy theory forum.
     
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    Ummmm.....Roosevelt signed the selective service act before the 1940 election. He was hardly hiding the fact the nation might need to fight a war
     
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    yes anything that says that we must be diligent to preserve are liberty
    or are government acts covertly..must immediately be moved to conspiracy theory and discredited as quickly as possible ..regardless of the truth...
    our freedom depends on it...
     
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    ok well lets play with it for awhile---when did FDR know Pearl was going to be attacked, how did he know it and was he aware of the size of the Japanese armada ?
     
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    "Confirmation of Dutch foreknowledge of the Japanese attack also came from General Albert C. Wedemeyer. In 1980 he informed the author that during a meeting in 1943, Vice Admiral Conrad E. L. Helfrich of the Royal Netherlands Navy expressed wonder that the Americans had been surprised at Pearl Harbor. The Dutch, Helfrich said, had broken the code and knew that the Japanese were going to strike Pearl Harbor. "He seemed surprised that I did not know this," recalled Wedemeyer, "and when I explained that I doubted seriously that this information was known in Washington prior to Pearl Harbor attack, Admiral Helfrich was skeptical because it was his clear recollection that his government had notified my government." (p. 317 - 318)


    Pearl Harbor - Mother of All Conspiracies
     
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    well that explains the who and the when although it's also possible that other deceptive messages were sent out as to Japanese intentions. How about the size of the armada heading towards Pearl ?
     
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    well given some time to research lm sure I could ..but just personally speaking its hard to belive that with prior knowledge they could miss a armada 20 miles wide steaming across the pacific
     
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    You gotta remember history of technology---no sattelites or planes with that kind of range. No land masses.
    I think FDR was determined to join the war and looking for an incident to provoke American support. My question would be what were his true motives .
     
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    they may of been expecting a less deviating incident...but

    On October 9, 1941, the War Department decoded a Tokyo-to-Honolulu dispatch instructing the Consul General to divide Pearl Harbor into five specified areas and to report the exact locations of American ships therein.

    There is nothing unusual about spies watching ship movements — but reporting precise whereabouts of ships in dock has only one implication. Charles Willoughby, Douglas MacArthur’s chief of intelligence later wrote that the "reports were on a grid system of the inner harbor with coordinate locations of American men of war … coordinate grid is the classical method for pinpoint target designation; our battleships had suddenly become targets." This information was never sent to Kimmel or Short.


    On October 9, 1941, the War Department decoded a Tokyo-to-Honolulu dispatch instructing the Consul General to divide Pearl Harbor into five specified areas and to report the exact locations of American ships therein.

    There is nothing unusual about spies watching ship movements — but reporting precise whereabouts of ships in dock has only one implication. Charles Willoughby, Douglas MacArthur’s chief of intelligence later wrote that the "reports were on a grid system of the inner harbor with coordinate locations of American men of war … coordinate grid is the classical method for pinpoint target designation; our battleships had suddenly become targets." This information was never sent to Kimmel or Short.
     

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