"Peace activists" try to defend this....

[LuvRPgrl]

Iraqi terrorists "insurgents" are attacking and killing Iraqi police force.
One of their favorite targets is the police acadamey, as illustrated by todays bombing.

If the terrorists dont want the US there, as they claim is their reason for bombings, and the lack of a full scale police force is the ONLY reason the US is still there, then how does it make sense that they would subvert the one thing that will get the US out.


HINT: What they really want is control, power and another dictatorship of their choice. They oppose democracy, because it wont allow them to have power.

 

[dilloduck]

Iraqi terrorists "insurgents" are attacking and killing Iraqi police force.
One of their favorite targets is the police acadamey, as illustrated by todays bombing.

If the terrorists dont want the US there, as they claim is their reason for bombings, and the lack of a full scale police force is the ONLY reason the US is still there, then how does it make sense that they would subvert the one thing that will get the US out.


HINT: What they really want is control, power and another dictatorship of their choice. They oppose democracy, because it wont allow them to have power.

Damn good obsevation !!

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Iraqi terrorists "insurgents" are attacking and killing Iraqi police force.
One of their favorite targets is the police acadamey, as illustrated by todays bombing.

If the terrorists dont want the US there, as they claim is their reason for bombings, and the lack of a full scale police force is the ONLY reason the US is still there, then how does it make sense that they would subvert the one thing that will get the US out.

What exactly do you want defended here?

 

[Taylor89]

If we are so concerned with bringing democracy to IRAQ, and if that was our main reason for going there as they say. Then how come we dont attack China ? Hell they treat their people like shit. What about Africa with the genocide there ? We dont give a shit about them ? why ? OHHH Cause they aint got no oil thaaaaaaaaaaaats why. Thats what so funny. You all act like you give a shit that Iraqi's were treated badly, but no one gives 2 shits about the other countries where people are treated worse. funny isnt it.

Iraqi terrorists "insurgents" are attacking and killing Iraqi police force.
One of their favorite targets is the police acadamey, as illustrated by todays bombing.

If the terrorists dont want the US there, as they claim is their reason for bombings, and the lack of a full scale police force is the ONLY reason the US is still there, then how does it make sense that they would subvert the one thing that will get the US out.


HINT: What they really want is control, power and another dictatorship of their choice. They oppose democracy, because it wont allow them to have power.

 

[Said1]

If we are so concerned with bringing democracy to IRAQ, and if that was our main reason for going there as they say. Then how come we dont attack China ? Hell they treat their people like shit. What about Africa with the genocide there ? We dont give a shit about them ? why ? OHHH Cause they aint got no oil thaaaaaaaaaaaats why. Thats what so funny. You all act like you give a shit that Iraqi's were treated badly, but no one gives 2 shits about the other countries where people are treated worse. funny isnt it.

Same spelling errors as last time too. Poor predicatble whatever your last 3 or 4 post names were.

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

What they really want is control, power and another dictatorship of their choice. They oppose democracy, because it wont allow them to have power.

Unless the voting public actually wants to have a foamy-mouthed religious or otherwise radical regime. Actually, the Iraqi government is already snuggling up to Iran, which presents a dilemma...what do we do when people don't vote the way Uncle Sam wants them to? Democracy is not a cure-all.

 

[theHawk]

Then how come we dont attack China ?

Be careful for what you wish for, a conflict with China is a very serious possiblity. But to answer your question I'd have to say that China nor African nations currently pose the most immediate threat to our nation. Middle eastern countries that support terrorism do. And if our sole modivation for going into Iraq was for "oil", me thinks it would had been alot easier if we just dropped the sanctions agaist Iraq and bought it for dirt cheap. We are also trying to change the way China does things diplomatically. You sound more like a war-monger than a peace advocate.

 

[theHawk]

Actually, the Iraqi government is already snuggling up to Iran, which presents a dilemma...

Proof of this? Links please?

Democracy is not a cure-all

No one ever said it was. All governments are made of people, all forms of government are subject to corruption. Democracy just less so.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

What exactly do you want defended here?

How liberals claim terrorists are really only insurgents
That they only want us out of there.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Be careful for what you wish for, a conflict with China is a very serious possiblity. But to answer your question I'd have to say that China nor African nations currently pose the most immediate threat to our nation. Middle eastern countries that support terrorism do. And if our sole modivation for going into Iraq was for "oil", me thinks it would had been alot easier if we just dropped the sanctions agaist Iraq and bought it for dirt cheap. We are also trying to change the way China does things diplomatically. You sound more like a war-monger than a peace advocate.

The standard, "then why dont we attack china, korea, etc, etc" response is so childish and idiotic.

Thats like saying to the medic, oh, I have so many wounds, why cant you fix them all at once? If you cant, then dont bother with any of them.

The analogies are endless, you have to address as many issues at a time as you can, even if you cant adress all of them at once.

 

[musicman]

Let's disabuse ourselves of the misbegotten notion that we went to war in Iraq to "bring them democracy". If that happens, it will be a happy by-product.

Iraq is a strategically advantageous spot from which to conduct what's going to be a long, arduous war - against a fanatical, homocidal collection of tyrants who transcend borders and nations. THAT'S why we're there.

 

[Annie]

Let's disabuse ourselves of the misbegotten notion that we went to war in Iraq to "bring them democracy". If that happens, it will be a happy by-product.

Iraq is a strategically advantageous spot from which to conduct what's going to be a long, arduous war - against a fanatical, homocidal collection of tyrants who transcend borders and nations. THAT'S why we're there.

Bingo. See flypaper:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?p=359224#post359224

 

[Bullypulpit]

Proof of this? Links please?




No one ever said it was. All governments are made of people, all forms of government are subject to corruption. Democracy just less so.

Iranian President Jalal Talibani, <a href=http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2005/11/23/afx2351383.html>paid a visit to Iraq</a> just a couple of weeks ago, promising support against the insurgency in Iraq. It should be noted that Iran is a Shi'ia state, and the ruling majority in Iraq is Shi'ia, who were mercilessly abused by the Sunnis under Saddam. So, yes, Iran is cozying up to Iraq.

I respectfully submit that democracy is as subject to corruption as any other form of government. We need look no further than the current list of indictments against GOP politicans and their supporters.

 

[CSM]

Iranian President Jalal Talibani, <a href=http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2005/11/23/afx2351383.html>paid a visit to Iraq</a> just a couple of weeks ago, promising support against the insurgency in Iraq. It should be noted that Iran is a Shi'ia state, and the ruling majority in Iraq is Shi'ia, who were mercilessly abused by the Sunnis under Saddam. So, yes, Iran is cozying up to Iraq.

I respectfully submit that democracy is as subject to corruption as any other form of government. We need look no further than the current list of indictments against GOP politicans and their supporters.

Aww cmon, why we just gotta look at the GOP list? why cant we look at the ENTIRE list?

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Let's disabuse ourselves of the misbegotten notion that we went to war in Iraq to "bring them democracy". If that happens, it will be a happy by-product.

Iraq is a strategically advantageous spot from which to conduct what's going to be a long, arduous war - against a fanatical, homocidal collection of tyrants who transcend borders and nations. THAT'S why we're there.

Let's disabuse ourselves of the misbegotten notion that we went to war in Iraq for any ONE reason. The reasons, as in almost any conflict, are many. Democracy was one of the stated reasons. Bush gave many others. In fact, if you read Hillary and Bill Clintons speeches regarding Saddam, you will find it was US official policy, as started by the darling dems of the left, for regime change in Iraq. You will also find a plethora of other reasons stated by the darllings of the left, long before the issue got into President Bush's lap.

So, you statement is ONE of the many reasons for going to war. Personally, I think any one of about 5, IN AND OF THEMSELVES are enough basis for taking out that wretched evil vernim, much less all the reasons we actually had.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Iranian President Jalal Talibani, <a href=http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2005/11/23/afx2351383.html>paid a visit to Iraq</a> just a couple of weeks ago, promising support against the insurgency in Iraq. It should be noted that Iran is a Shi'ia state, and the ruling majority in Iraq is Shi'ia, who were mercilessly abused by the Sunnis under Saddam. So, yes, Iran is cozying up to Iraq.

I respectfully submit that democracy is as subject to corruption as any other form of government. We need look no further than the current list of indictments against GOP politicans and their supporters.

Which certainly lends credence to the oft porposed notion by Bush supporters that its a fluid and complex situation, hence to win is not going to be so easy, but also is not insurmountable, as the leftists would want us to believe.

Iran is also the largest exporter of terrorism. So, we have a regime, Iran, that is teetering on edge of revolt for democracy by a very young and growing educated group of youths, (I know, redundency) that wants to support the democratic leadership in Iraq on one hand, yet support the terrorists on the other hand.

I guess the US isnt the only country with delimma's on their hands.

Its similiar to the Finnish situation circa 1939. Russia attacked finland. Britian and US supported Finland against Russia, as did the world (including international volunteers to fight in the army along side the Finns), Germany attacked Russia, so Finland accepts nazis to help support its border against russia, now the US and Britian are at war with Finland

go figure.

anyways, virtually all of the basic complaints by the left against the war are nonsense, cloaked in simplicity and idiocy at best. The point Bully shows above is any issue in the ME is extremely complicated and cant be answered with simple anti war slogans that the Cindy Sheehans of the world dress themselves in and the media loves to cover.

But for demcoracy, at least TRUE democracies dont go to war with true democracies.


DEMOCRACY DEMOCRACY

DICTATORSHIP :2guns: DICTATORSHIP

LIBERAL: :spank3: CONSERVATIVES

SADDAM :ali: vs USA = saddam now :crutch: = Iraqis now

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Aww cmon, why we just gotta look at the GOP list? why cant we look at the ENTIRE list?

Then it would be using up too much bandwidth