Paycheck Fairness Act

[daveman]

Like any bill, it will be perceived by the opposition as a part of a sinister plan. The federal government has the legal responsible to see that employee's are not discriminated against because of their sex. There is nothing wrong with gathering this information. A person deserves to be paid based on the their abilities, not their race or sex.

Agreed. But there are avenues already in place. There is no need for more.

The government does not collect data on a person's sex in the tax returns so I don't think they could correlate wages with sex without this information.

There's no need to collect that information at all until a complaint is filed.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

First problem...its from CNS News who makes Fox look like a legitimate news source

Second.....Government has always required employers to provide data on sex, race and national origin

Overall, just another example of the right wings ability to read and understand what a bill really does

Hey.....you know how dangerous literacy can be!!

And, who NEEDS any o' that, there readin'-stuff , when repetitive-input gets the job done, just as well??!!!​

More bullshit and winger links from the board's uber-troll

I always manage to whup your butt.

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[Flopper]

Agreed. But there are avenues already in place. There is no need for more.

The government does not collect data on a person's sex in the tax returns so I don't think they could correlate wages with sex without this information.

There's no need to collect that information at all until a complaint is filed.

I would think it would be helpful to have the information in deciding whether to investigate a complaint or not. It would also spotlight industries and companies that have sexual discrimination problems.

Collecting this data should not be a problem for the employers since they have the data in their files.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

One more step towards having a finger in EVERY ASPECT OF YOUR LIFE. Ahhhh.. remember the good old days when you fuckers where shitting yourselves over the NSA evesdropping on suspected terrorists?

That's different. Somehow. It just is.

Much like those prices-at-the-pump that don't roller-coaster, all-year-long....like during those typically-Republican/Bush-Cheney/fuel-shortage days.

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[Flopper]

(CNSNews.com) – The Obama administration is backing legislation that includes regulations requiring U.S. businesses to provide to the government data about employee pay as it relates to the sex, race and national origin of employees.

In an orchestrated effort that included a statement by President Barack Obama and an event at the White House featuring Vice President Joe Biden, Attorney General Eric Holder and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, the president and his cabinet endorsed the Paycheck Fairness Act.

“The Paycheck Fairness Act, which purports to prevent instances of illegal gender-based discrimination, could outlaw many legitimate practices employers use to set employee pay rates, even where there is no evidence of intentional discrimination and employers act with reasonable belief that their pay policies are lawful,” the statement said.

“Manufacturers strongly oppose unlawful discrimination in any form, but the Paycheck Fairness Act would impose unparalleled government control over how employees are paid, among even the nation’s smallest businesses,” it added.

“It would drastically alter the Equal Pay Act to allow unprecedented penalties of unlimited punitive and compensatory damages in cases of alleged discrimination,” the statement said.

James Sherk, Bradley Fellow in Labor Policy in the Center for Data Analysis at conservative The Heritage Foundation, said that the law would be a boon to trial lawyers seeking damages from employers for their clients and would allow the courts to “micro-manage” American businesses.

CNSNews.com - White House Backs Bill to Collect Employee Pay Information from Businesses

It seems something is missing from the data that they want. Anyone?

Can we call them Communists yet?

No, it’s not communism or socialism. It’s Americanism. The ideal that workers should be treated fairly by their employers goes back to the beginnings of the labor movement over a hundred years ago. I think most Americans agree that discrimination in the workplace because of a person’s race, gender, or national origin should be illegal. However, when it comes to enforcing the law, then people have different opinions. Just like Prohibition, people like the idea of having the law, but they don’t want to be forced to obey it.

If government and the courts do not stand up for the rights of the individual, who will?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

CNSNews.com - White House Backs Bill to Collect Employee Pay Information from Businesses

It seems something is missing from the data that they want. Anyone?

Can we call them Communists yet?

No, it’s not communism or socialism. It’s Americanism. The ideal that workers should be treated fairly by their employers goes back to the beginnings of the labor movement over a hundred years ago. I think most Americans agree that discrimination in the workplace because of a person’s race, gender, or national origin should be illegal. However, when it comes to enforcing the law, then people have different opinions. Just like Prohibition, people like the idea of having the law, but they don’t want to be forced to obey it.

If government and the courts do not stand up for the rights of the individual, who will?

Fair treatment of employees has nothing to do with this BS. It has nothing what so ever to do with equal pay for equal work. What this is about is everybody making the same ammount of money even if you are more qualified and are more valuble to the company then say a new hire.

 

[Flopper]

Can we call them Communists yet?

No, it’s not communism or socialism. It’s Americanism. The ideal that workers should be treated fairly by their employers goes back to the beginnings of the labor movement over a hundred years ago. I think most Americans agree that discrimination in the workplace because of a person’s race, gender, or national origin should be illegal. However, when it comes to enforcing the law, then people have different opinions. Just like Prohibition, people like the idea of having the law, but they don’t want to be forced to obey it.

If government and the courts do not stand up for the rights of the individual, who will?

Fair treatment of employees has nothing to do with this BS. It has nothing what so ever to do with equal pay for equal work. What this is about is everybody making the same ammount of money even if you are more qualified and are more valuble to the company then say a new hire.

No, it's about sexual discrimination in the workplace. There is no evidence the country is moving to equal pay for everyone. With CEO's making hundreds of millions a year and blue collars workers scraping by on minimum wage, this certainly is not where we are heading. From what Orwellian fantasy did you dream this up?

 

[Barb]

Perhaps the article is wrong; but I don't think so. Missing from the data is: JOB DESCRIPTION. It seems that gender and racial equity is to be achieved by looking at anatomy and melatonin; not by skills, education, and performance.

Could this be another step toward "wealth redistribution"? "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need..."

I would thing that would have been a given in the data. I thought they missed the boat by not asking after age.

 

[boedicca]

First problem...its from CNS News who makes Fox look like a legitimate news source

Second.....Government has always required employers to provide data on sex, race and national origin

Overall, just another example of the right wings ability to read and understand what a bill really does

Providing statistical data for EEOC purposes (not that this is a good idea either) is far different than tracking this detailed level of payroll data.

Given this Administration's cronyism with labor unions, it's quite likely unions will get access to the data, which will be distorted and misrepresented, for recruiting efforts. They will be further helped in this effort once card check passes and employees no longer are able to vote anonymously.

 

[Flopper]

Perhaps the article is wrong; but I don't think so. Missing from the data is: JOB DESCRIPTION. It seems that gender and racial equity is to be achieved by looking at anatomy and melatonin; not by skills, education, and performance.

Could this be another step toward "wealth redistribution"? "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need..."

I would thing that would have been a given in the data. I thought they missed the boat by not asking after age.

The government can get the persons occupation and a lot more from their tax forms. All they really need is gender.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No, it’s not communism or socialism. It’s Americanism. The ideal that workers should be treated fairly by their employers goes back to the beginnings of the labor movement over a hundred years ago. I think most Americans agree that discrimination in the workplace because of a person’s race, gender, or national origin should be illegal. However, when it comes to enforcing the law, then people have different opinions. Just like Prohibition, people like the idea of having the law, but they don’t want to be forced to obey it.

If government and the courts do not stand up for the rights of the individual, who will?

Fair treatment of employees has nothing to do with this BS. It has nothing what so ever to do with equal pay for equal work. What this is about is everybody making the same ammount of money even if you are more qualified and are more valuble to the company then say a new hire.

No, it's about sexual discrimination in the workplace. There is no evidence the country is moving to equal pay for everyone. With CEO's making hundreds of millions a year and blue collars workers scraping by on minimum wage, this certainly is not where we are heading. From what Orwellian fantasy did you dream this up?

Blue collar workers making minimum wage? I will ask you what Saul Alinsky dream did you get this from? I am a plumber so I am Blue collar, I do not make minimum wage nor does anyone I know of.

 

[Richard-H]

Geez, this law changes nothing. It's a requirement that businesses submit data so that it can be determined wether or not they conform to existing law.

The only problem with this is that it's a huge cost to employers and to the government when the government already has this data - the IRS has it.

One of the BIGGEST problem with both government and private industry is data redundancy becuase of silo'd databases.

They got all the data, but one dept. doesn't have access to the other dept.'s data - so they invent a whole new scheme to obtain the data that they already have.

If the Intelligence agencies had a unified database system, 9/11 never would have happened.

Private industry is just as bad.

 

[Flopper]

Fair treatment of employees has nothing to do with this BS. It has nothing what so ever to do with equal pay for equal work. What this is about is everybody making the same ammount of money even if you are more qualified and are more valuble to the company then say a new hire.

No, it's about sexual discrimination in the workplace. There is no evidence the country is moving to equal pay for everyone. With CEO's making hundreds of millions a year and blue collars workers scraping by on minimum wage, this certainly is not where we are heading. From what Orwellian fantasy did you dream this up?

Blue collar workers making minimum wage? I will ask you what Saul Alinsky dream did you get this from? I am a plumber so I am Blue collar, I do not make minimum wage nor does anyone I know of.

Obviously all blue collar worker's don't make minimum wage as all CEO's don't make millions a year. The point is that we have wide disparities in wages, which is as it should be. The government collecting data of the gender of employees that makeup the workplace does not indicate that we are moving toward a society where everyone makes the same wages. It may mean that we are moving toward a society where employees pay is based more on their abilities rather than their gender, race, or national origin.

 

[Toro]

Yes. Where does it say "job description"? How can someone conduct a survey on wages without knowing what the frickin job is? Does that make sense to you?

No, its a terrible idea.

There are many reasons why there is gender inequality for pay, most of them having to do with reasons unrelated to discrimination - women drop out of the workforce to have kids, women don't work as many hours, women as a group have less education than men, etc.

But pay gaps are narrowing as more and more women are getting degrees. In fact, women outnumber men in professional schools such as law and medicine.

My guess is is that for people under 40, if you adjusted for education and time in the workforce, the gender gap in pay would be virtually non-existent.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No, it's about sexual discrimination in the workplace. There is no evidence the country is moving to equal pay for everyone. With CEO's making hundreds of millions a year and blue collars workers scraping by on minimum wage, this certainly is not where we are heading. From what Orwellian fantasy did you dream this up?

Blue collar workers making minimum wage? I will ask you what Saul Alinsky dream did you get this from? I am a plumber so I am Blue collar, I do not make minimum wage nor does anyone I know of.

Obviously all blue collar worker's don't make minimum wage as all CEO's don't make millions a year. The point is that we have wide disparities in wages, which is as it should be. The government collecting data of the gender of employees that makeup the workplace does not indicate that we are moving toward a society where everyone makes the same wages. It may mean that we are moving toward a society where employees pay is based more on their abilities rather than their gender, race, or national origin.

You are the one thats claiming blue collar workers make minimum wage. People make what they are worth. If they do not like the ammount of money they earn and think it's un-fair that they make less thewy are free to leave there present job and find something else. Do you think it's fair that a person with know exprince in plumbing make the same ammount of money that a person who has 20+ years exprience does? I don't think I should make the same ammount of money that my boss makes even though he stay's in the office.

 

[Flopper]

Blue collar workers making minimum wage? I will ask you what Saul Alinsky dream did you get this from? I am a plumber so I am Blue collar, I do not make minimum wage nor does anyone I know of.

Obviously all blue collar worker's don't make minimum wage as all CEO's don't make millions a year. The point is that we have wide disparities in wages, which is as it should be. The government collecting data of the gender of employees that makeup the workplace does not indicate that we are moving toward a society where everyone makes the same wages. It may mean that we are moving toward a society where employees pay is based more on their abilities rather than their gender, race, or national origin.

You are the one thats claiming blue collar workers make minimum wage. People make what they are worth. If they do not like the ammount of money they earn and think it's un-fair that they make less thewy are free to leave there present job and find something else. Do you think it's fair that a person with know exprince in plumbing make the same ammount of money that a person who has 20+ years exprience does? I don't think I should make the same ammount of money that my boss makes even though he stay's in the office.

Of course there should be a disparity in wages based on ability and experience but there should not be a disparity in wages based on the color of your skin or sex.

Believe me, I have paid enough plumbings bills to know that plumbers do not make minimum wage. However, there are many blue collar workers who do.

 

[Charles_Main]

Perhaps the article is wrong; but I don't think so. Missing from the data is: JOB DESCRIPTION. It seems that gender and racial equity is to be achieved by looking at anatomy and melatonin; not by skills, education, and performance.

Could this be another step toward "wealth redistribution"? "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need..."

Thats exactly what it is, "wealth redistribution"

And once again.

I TOLD YOU SOO......DAMN IT.

Man America you got Duped. Thanks a lot.

This is what Marxists do, get used to it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Perhaps the article is wrong; but I don't think so. Missing from the data is: JOB DESCRIPTION. It seems that gender and racial equity is to be achieved by looking at anatomy and melatonin; not by skills, education, and performance.

Could this be another step toward "wealth redistribution"? "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need..."

Thats exactly what it is, "wealth redistribution"

And once again.

I TOLD YOU SOO......DAMN IT.

Man America you got Duped. Thanks a lot.

This is what Marxists do, get used to it.

You didn't tell me, I knew it was going to be this way before he was elected, if he won the election.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Obviously all blue collar worker's don't make minimum wage as all CEO's don't make millions a year. The point is that we have wide disparities in wages, which is as it should be. The government collecting data of the gender of employees that makeup the workplace does not indicate that we are moving toward a society where everyone makes the same wages. It may mean that we are moving toward a society where employees pay is based more on their abilities rather than their gender, race, or national origin.

You are the one thats claiming blue collar workers make minimum wage. People make what they are worth. If they do not like the ammount of money they earn and think it's un-fair that they make less thewy are free to leave there present job and find something else. Do you think it's fair that a person with know exprince in plumbing make the same ammount of money that a person who has 20+ years exprience does? I don't think I should make the same ammount of money that my boss makes even though he stay's in the office.

Of course there should be a disparity in wages based on ability and experience but there should not be a disparity in wages based on the color of your skin or sex.

Believe me, I have paid enough plumbings bills to know that plumbers do not make minimum wage. However, there are many blue collar workers who do.

Evey company I have worked foir paid everybody equally, based on their exprince. regradless of their sex or skin color.

 

[sparky]

Geez, this law changes nothing. It's a requirement that businesses submit data so that it can be determined wether or not they conform to existing law.

The only problem with this is that it's a huge cost to employers and to the government when the government already has this data - the IRS has it.

One of the BIGGEST problem with both government and private industry is data redundancy becuase of silo'd databases.

They got all the data, but one dept. doesn't have access to the other dept.'s data - so they invent a whole new scheme to obtain the data that they already have.

If the Intelligence agencies had a unified database system, 9/11 never would have happened.

Private industry is just as bad.

Well this brihngs up another aspect of litigation, in that larger biz is better equipped to deal with the buearacratic onslaught than the average smaller biz

i know, i'm a sm biz, i talk to other sm biz's , i sit in front of my accountant in shock and awe of all the mandates coming down from the fed level in fact, we're getting smaller all the time oh my!....anyone gotta pillow?