Pay $43,000 for an Appendectomy? Or less than $3,000?

[MadChemist]

Who has a routine appendectomy, most instances are emergency situations???

Does it change the fact that there is 13x price difference ?

If I could have scheduled and emergency operation I would have..

Did you answer my question ? If so, you'll need to explain it a little further.

As long as I don't have to get up to move further.....

So you didn't answer the question.

Thanks.

 

[Goldleaf]

I had a medical condition that was caused by a surgeon’s mistake. That mistake caused me to have permanent nerve damage which I have suffered for the last 10 years. The doctor who did this damage lied to me . It took another three years of going from one doctor to another , all of these fine doctors were looking in the wrong place as to what was causing all this horrible pain . I had been told by the doctor who did the surgery , which was to repair a rectal tear, that the pain was from my hemorrhoids. Doctors are so stupid and just like to follow along with one another. Once in a while you find one who thinks outside the box . I went to see a neurologist and he told me that the doctor had sliced the nerves in that area. To late to sue to much time had past. The next thing was to find a doctor to help me deal with the pain. Another scam. Pain Specialist is what title they give themselves. They charge lots of money to put you thru hell with pain procedures. When that didn’t work I am given the wonder drug of that time Fentanyl patch. I was on that crap for 10 yrs. The doctor didn’t bother to tell me all the wonderful things that was going to do for me. Addiction, and a permanently damaged pancreas was my gift. When I went to see the pharmacist who happily filed my prescriptions all those years and brought this subject up she told me the doctor should have advised you about the dangers of using it. I asked what was your role in dishing out this crap she told me “ I can read you the side effects if you like”. I felt like I just got pissed on . All these people of medical science just got a free pass as there is no recourse in this country that holds them accountable for their actions.


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[Goldleaf]

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[bgrouse]

I had a medical condition that was caused by a surgeon’s mistake. That mistake caused me to have permanent nerve damage which I have suffered for the last 10 years. The doctor who did this damage lied to me . It took another three years of going from one doctor to another , all of these fine doctors were looking in the wrong place as to what was causing all this horrible pain . I had been told by the doctor who did the surgery , which was to repair a rectal tear, that the pain was from my hemorrhoids. Doctors are so stupid and just like to follow along with one another. Once in a while you find one who thinks outside the box . I went to see a neurologist and he told me that the doctor had sliced the nerves in that area. To late to sue to much time had past. The next thing was to find a doctor to help me deal with the pain. Another scam. Pain Specialist is what title they give themselves. They charge lots of money to put you thru hell with pain procedures. When that didn’t work I am given the wonder drug of that time Fentanyl patch. I was on that crap for 10 yrs. The doctor didn’t bother to tell me all the wonderful things that was going to do for me. Addiction, and a permanently damaged pancreas was my gift. When I went to see the pharmacist who happily filed my prescriptions all those years and brought this subject up she told me the doctor should have advised you about the dangers of using it. I asked what was your role in dishing out this crap she told me “ I can read you the side effects if you like”. I felt like I just got pissed on . All these people of medical science just got a free pass as there is no recourse in this country that holds them accountable for their actions.


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At some point, paying people more money yields diminishing returns in terms of quality of work. Pay them even more, and you actually get a worse result.

 

[MadChemist]

Who has a routine appendectomy, most instances are emergency situations???

Does it change the fact that there is 13x price difference ?

If I could have scheduled and emergency operation I would have..

Did you answer my question ? If so, you'll need to explain it a little further.

As long as I don't have to get up to move further.....

So you didn't answer the question.

Thanks.

Does it change the fact that there is a 13x price difference ?

 

[Syriusly]

Belgium is no third world country
In Need of a New Hip, but Priced Out of the U.S.
65,000 for hip replacement versus 13,000
Desperate to find an affordable solution, he reached out to a sailing buddy with friends at a medical device manufacturer, which arranged to provide his local hospital with an implant at what was described as the “list price” of $13,000, with no markup. But when the hospital’s finance office estimated that the hospital charges would run another $65,000, not including the surgeon’s fee, he knew he had to think outside the box, and outside the country.

“That was a third of my savings at the time,” Mr. Shopenn said recently from the living room of his condo in Boulder, Colo. “It wasn’t happening.”

“Very leery” of going to a developing country like India or Thailand, which both draw so-called medical tourists, he ultimately chose to have his hip replaced in 2007 at a private hospital outside Brussels for $13,660. That price included not only a hip joint, made by Warsaw-based Zimmer Holdings, but also all doctors’ fees, operating room charges, crutches, medicine, a hospital room for five days, a week in rehab and a round-trip ticket from America.

“We have the most expensive health care in the world, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the best,” Mr. Shopenn said. “I’m kind of the poster child for that.”

 

[MadChemist]

Belgium is no third world country
In Need of a New Hip, but Priced Out of the U.S.
65,000 for hip replacement versus 13,000
Desperate to find an affordable solution, he reached out to a sailing buddy with friends at a medical device manufacturer, which arranged to provide his local hospital with an implant at what was described as the “list price” of $13,000, with no markup. But when the hospital’s finance office estimated that the hospital charges would run another $65,000, not including the surgeon’s fee, he knew he had to think outside the box, and outside the country.

“That was a third of my savings at the time,” Mr. Shopenn said recently from the living room of his condo in Boulder, Colo. “It wasn’t happening.”

“Very leery” of going to a developing country like India or Thailand, which both draw so-called medical tourists, he ultimately chose to have his hip replaced in 2007 at a private hospital outside Brussels for $13,660. That price included not only a hip joint, made by Warsaw-based Zimmer Holdings, but also all doctors’ fees, operating room charges, crutches, medicine, a hospital room for five days, a week in rehab and a round-trip ticket from America.

“We have the most expensive health care in the world, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the best,” Mr. Shopenn said. “I’m kind of the poster child for that.”

You have to ask yourself....

How does someone continue to sell something for 13,000 when you can one cheaper.

Now, the Zimmer Holdings thing may be a POS, but it still has to be asked.

How does anyone supply (and how do people buy) something like this at such an inflated price ?

 

[Syriusly]

Belgium is no third world country
In Need of a New Hip, but Priced Out of the U.S.
65,000 for hip replacement versus 13,000
Desperate to find an affordable solution, he reached out to a sailing buddy with friends at a medical device manufacturer, which arranged to provide his local hospital with an implant at what was described as the “list price” of $13,000, with no markup. But when the hospital’s finance office estimated that the hospital charges would run another $65,000, not including the surgeon’s fee, he knew he had to think outside the box, and outside the country.

“That was a third of my savings at the time,” Mr. Shopenn said recently from the living room of his condo in Boulder, Colo. “It wasn’t happening.”

“Very leery” of going to a developing country like India or Thailand, which both draw so-called medical tourists, he ultimately chose to have his hip replaced in 2007 at a private hospital outside Brussels for $13,660. That price included not only a hip joint, made by Warsaw-based Zimmer Holdings, but also all doctors’ fees, operating room charges, crutches, medicine, a hospital room for five days, a week in rehab and a round-trip ticket from America.

“We have the most expensive health care in the world, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the best,” Mr. Shopenn said. “I’m kind of the poster child for that.”

You have to ask yourself....

How does someone continue to sell something for 13,000 when you can one cheaper.

Now, the Zimmer Holdings thing may be a POS, but it still has to be asked.

How does anyone supply (and how do people buy) something like this at such an inflated price ?

Pretty much our broken insurance system.

 

[jillian]

Great true story about Private Medical Care in Mexico

My son had an attack of appendicitis late Saturday night. I knew that the Obamacare inflated prices for surgery in the U.S. would be ridiculous and that the service would likely be impersonal, involve long waits, and be nerve-wracking. I have friends in the medical field so I inquired just for grins. The price for the latest routine appendectomy in my area was, my jaw dropped, $43,000. I read on-line that the average cost for an appendectomy in the U.S. is $33,000.
​

That is fucking crazy!! $43,000 to remove an appendix? So he went to Mexico.

I opted for the nearby private Catholic hospital in Mexico driving past a Catholic hospital in the U.S. en route. I also drove past the state run socialist hospital in Mexico which of course has deplorable service and doesn’t serve Americans anyway. Most of the private hospitals in Mexico have great service, modern equipment and procedures, and affordable prices. You can actually have extensive conversations with surgeons and the rest of the medical staff. They are very patient, respectful, and understanding. We arrived on a Sunday morning. This counted as an emergency after-hours visit. The fees listed below are higher because of the Sunday call-out for surgical personnel and the extra fee for the emergency room doctor that could have been avoided if I had come during normal business hours.

Private Medical Care in Mexico - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com​

Mexico has universal healthcare

So do most civilized countries.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I’m having an upper endoscopy today.

$12,500

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Great true story about Private Medical Care in Mexico

My son had an attack of appendicitis late Saturday night. I knew that the Obamacare inflated prices for surgery in the U.S. would be ridiculous and that the service would likely be impersonal, involve long waits, and be nerve-wracking. I have friends in the medical field so I inquired just for grins. The price for the latest routine appendectomy in my area was, my jaw dropped, $43,000. I read on-line that the average cost for an appendectomy in the U.S. is $33,000.
​

That is fucking crazy!! $43,000 to remove an appendix? So he went to Mexico.

I opted for the nearby private Catholic hospital in Mexico driving past a Catholic hospital in the U.S. en route. I also drove past the state run socialist hospital in Mexico which of course has deplorable service and doesn’t serve Americans anyway. Most of the private hospitals in Mexico have great service, modern equipment and procedures, and affordable prices. You can actually have extensive conversations with surgeons and the rest of the medical staff. They are very patient, respectful, and understanding. We arrived on a Sunday morning. This counted as an emergency after-hours visit. The fees listed below are higher because of the Sunday call-out for surgical personnel and the extra fee for the emergency room doctor that could have been avoided if I had come during normal business hours.

Private Medical Care in Mexico - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com​

Mexico has universal healthcare

So do most civilized countries.

Move

 

[toobfreak]

Great true story about Private Medical Care in Mexico

My son had an attack of appendicitis late Saturday night. I knew that the Obamacare inflated prices for surgery in the U.S. would be ridiculous and that the service would likely be impersonal, involve long waits, and be nerve-wracking. I have friends in the medical field so I inquired just for grins. The price for the latest routine appendectomy in my area was, my jaw dropped, $43,000. I read on-line that the average cost for an appendectomy in the U.S. is $33,000.
​

That is fucking crazy!! $43,000 to remove an appendix? So he went to Mexico.

I opted for the nearby private Catholic hospital in Mexico driving past a Catholic hospital in the U.S. en route. I also drove past the state run socialist hospital in Mexico which of course has deplorable service and doesn’t serve Americans anyway. Most of the private hospitals in Mexico have great service, modern equipment and procedures, and affordable prices. You can actually have extensive conversations with surgeons and the rest of the medical staff. They are very patient, respectful, and understanding. We arrived on a Sunday morning. This counted as an emergency after-hours visit. The fees listed below are higher because of the Sunday call-out for surgical personnel and the extra fee for the emergency room doctor that could have been avoided if I had come during normal business hours.

Private Medical Care in Mexico - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com​

Medicine is a total rip off. Every procedure that could be done in three easy steps is now done in 23, under the guise of giving you the best care, but really, 90% of medical expenses and procedures go towards liability insurance sucked up by the blood-sucking lawyers. Worst of all, medical people act like you work for them now and either treat you like shit or expect you to jump to their slightest need no matter what the cost or inconvenience to the patient. I absolutely hate fucking doctors. I had a physical recently and they expected me to make THREE trips for one physical like I have nothing but time on my hands, two of the trips to the same place that could have all been done on the same day had they made the slightest effort to plan things out.

 

[jillian]

Great true story about Private Medical Care in Mexico

My son had an attack of appendicitis late Saturday night. I knew that the Obamacare inflated prices for surgery in the U.S. would be ridiculous and that the service would likely be impersonal, involve long waits, and be nerve-wracking. I have friends in the medical field so I inquired just for grins. The price for the latest routine appendectomy in my area was, my jaw dropped, $43,000. I read on-line that the average cost for an appendectomy in the U.S. is $33,000.
​

That is fucking crazy!! $43,000 to remove an appendix? So he went to Mexico.

I opted for the nearby private Catholic hospital in Mexico driving past a Catholic hospital in the U.S. en route. I also drove past the state run socialist hospital in Mexico which of course has deplorable service and doesn’t serve Americans anyway. Most of the private hospitals in Mexico have great service, modern equipment and procedures, and affordable prices. You can actually have extensive conversations with surgeons and the rest of the medical staff. They are very patient, respectful, and understanding. We arrived on a Sunday morning. This counted as an emergency after-hours visit. The fees listed below are higher because of the Sunday call-out for surgical personnel and the extra fee for the emergency room doctor that could have been avoided if I had come during normal business hours.

Private Medical Care in Mexico - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com​

Mexico has universal healthcare

So do most civilized countries.

Move

Maybe you should. You and your ilk seem determined to make us a third world country.

You apparently think we're not capable of doing what every other westernized county does.

Go to Russia. You'll fit right in

 

[DrLove]

Obamacare did NOT increase procedure costs .. it REDUCED them in some cases and slowed them down in others.
Why? Hospitals had fewer charity cases.
That boy's Daddy is an idiot.

 

[MadChemist]

Belgium is no third world country
In Need of a New Hip, but Priced Out of the U.S.
65,000 for hip replacement versus 13,000
Desperate to find an affordable solution, he reached out to a sailing buddy with friends at a medical device manufacturer, which arranged to provide his local hospital with an implant at what was described as the “list price” of $13,000, with no markup. But when the hospital’s finance office estimated that the hospital charges would run another $65,000, not including the surgeon’s fee, he knew he had to think outside the box, and outside the country.

“That was a third of my savings at the time,” Mr. Shopenn said recently from the living room of his condo in Boulder, Colo. “It wasn’t happening.”

“Very leery” of going to a developing country like India or Thailand, which both draw so-called medical tourists, he ultimately chose to have his hip replaced in 2007 at a private hospital outside Brussels for $13,660. That price included not only a hip joint, made by Warsaw-based Zimmer Holdings, but also all doctors’ fees, operating room charges, crutches, medicine, a hospital room for five days, a week in rehab and a round-trip ticket from America.

“We have the most expensive health care in the world, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the best,” Mr. Shopenn said. “I’m kind of the poster child for that.”

You have to ask yourself....

How does someone continue to sell something for 13,000 when you can one cheaper.

Now, the Zimmer Holdings thing may be a POS, but it still has to be asked.

How does anyone supply (and how do people buy) something like this at such an inflated price ?

Pretty much our broken insurance system.

Explain how that works.

Insurance is purposely buying high priced, non-value added components just to be stupid ?

I don't doubt the article...I am just asking how this happens.

 

[MadChemist]

Great true story about Private Medical Care in Mexico

My son had an attack of appendicitis late Saturday night. I knew that the Obamacare inflated prices for surgery in the U.S. would be ridiculous and that the service would likely be impersonal, involve long waits, and be nerve-wracking. I have friends in the medical field so I inquired just for grins. The price for the latest routine appendectomy in my area was, my jaw dropped, $43,000. I read on-line that the average cost for an appendectomy in the U.S. is $33,000.
​

That is fucking crazy!! $43,000 to remove an appendix? So he went to Mexico.

I opted for the nearby private Catholic hospital in Mexico driving past a Catholic hospital in the U.S. en route. I also drove past the state run socialist hospital in Mexico which of course has deplorable service and doesn’t serve Americans anyway. Most of the private hospitals in Mexico have great service, modern equipment and procedures, and affordable prices. You can actually have extensive conversations with surgeons and the rest of the medical staff. They are very patient, respectful, and understanding. We arrived on a Sunday morning. This counted as an emergency after-hours visit. The fees listed below are higher because of the Sunday call-out for surgical personnel and the extra fee for the emergency room doctor that could have been avoided if I had come during normal business hours.

Private Medical Care in Mexico - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com​

Mexico has universal healthcare

So do most civilized countries.

Move

Maybe you should. You and your ilk seem determined to make us a third world country.

You apparently think we're not capable of doing what every other westernized county does.

Go to Russia. You'll fit right in

Obamacare shows that we are not.

 

[Syriusly]

Belgium is no third world country
In Need of a New Hip, but Priced Out of the U.S.
65,000 for hip replacement versus 13,000
Desperate to find an affordable solution, he reached out to a sailing buddy with friends at a medical device manufacturer, which arranged to provide his local hospital with an implant at what was described as the “list price” of $13,000, with no markup. But when the hospital’s finance office estimated that the hospital charges would run another $65,000, not including the surgeon’s fee, he knew he had to think outside the box, and outside the country.

“That was a third of my savings at the time,” Mr. Shopenn said recently from the living room of his condo in Boulder, Colo. “It wasn’t happening.”

“Very leery” of going to a developing country like India or Thailand, which both draw so-called medical tourists, he ultimately chose to have his hip replaced in 2007 at a private hospital outside Brussels for $13,660. That price included not only a hip joint, made by Warsaw-based Zimmer Holdings, but also all doctors’ fees, operating room charges, crutches, medicine, a hospital room for five days, a week in rehab and a round-trip ticket from America.

“We have the most expensive health care in the world, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the best,” Mr. Shopenn said. “I’m kind of the poster child for that.”

You have to ask yourself....

How does someone continue to sell something for 13,000 when you can one cheaper.

Now, the Zimmer Holdings thing may be a POS, but it still has to be asked.

How does anyone supply (and how do people buy) something like this at such an inflated price ?

Pretty much our broken insurance system.

Explain how that works.

Insurance is purposely buying high priced, non-value added components just to be stupid ?

I don't doubt the article...I am just asking how this happens.

This is just my opinion, based upon some things I have read not related to this- so here goes.

Our insurance model distorts the market. The guy in the article? His insurance didn't cover his hip replacement- but if it had- he wouldn't have gone to the cheaper alternative- in Belgium- he would have gone with the procedure that was covered in the United States which would have been mostly paid for by insurance.

This distorts the market because the consumer has no incentive to use the actual lower priced option.

Would the insurance company have to pay that amount? Probably not- since they would have a special deal with the hospital.

Who does get screwed over in this market? The people paying the insurance bills- the companies- and their employees generally.

 

[Syriusly]

Great true story about Private Medical Care in Mexico

My son had an attack of appendicitis late Saturday night. I knew that the Obamacare inflated prices for surgery in the U.S. would be ridiculous and that the service would likely be impersonal, involve long waits, and be nerve-wracking. I have friends in the medical field so I inquired just for grins. The price for the latest routine appendectomy in my area was, my jaw dropped, $43,000. I read on-line that the average cost for an appendectomy in the U.S. is $33,000.
​

That is fucking crazy!! $43,000 to remove an appendix? So he went to Mexico.

I opted for the nearby private Catholic hospital in Mexico driving past a Catholic hospital in the U.S. en route. I also drove past the state run socialist hospital in Mexico which of course has deplorable service and doesn’t serve Americans anyway. Most of the private hospitals in Mexico have great service, modern equipment and procedures, and affordable prices. You can actually have extensive conversations with surgeons and the rest of the medical staff. They are very patient, respectful, and understanding. We arrived on a Sunday morning. This counted as an emergency after-hours visit. The fees listed below are higher because of the Sunday call-out for surgical personnel and the extra fee for the emergency room doctor that could have been avoided if I had come during normal business hours.

Private Medical Care in Mexico - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com​

Mexico has universal healthcare

So do most civilized countries.

Move

Maybe you should. You and your ilk seem determined to make us a third world country.

You apparently think we're not capable of doing what every other westernized county does.

Go to Russia. You'll fit right in

Obamacare shows that we are not.

Obamacare neither started the problem of high cost health insurance- or solved it.

Interestingly there was nothing in the Republican plan that specifically would have lowered the cost of health insurance either.

The problem is that our cost of insurance is skyrocketing- because our medical costs are skyrocketing compared to the rest of the Western World.

 

[jillian]

Mexico has universal healthcare

So do most civilized countries.

Move

Maybe you should. You and your ilk seem determined to make us a third world country.

You apparently think we're not capable of doing what every other westernized county does.

Go to Russia. You'll fit right in

Obamacare shows that we are not.

Obamacare neither started the problem of high cost health insurance- or solved it.

Interestingly there was nothing in the Republican plan that specifically would have lowered the cost of health insurance either.

The problem is that our cost of insurance is skyrocketing- because our medical costs are skyrocketing compared to the rest of the Western World.

the costs of medical insurance are skyrocketing because insurance company profits are skyrocketing.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

So do most civilized countries.

Move

Maybe you should. You and your ilk seem determined to make us a third world country.

You apparently think we're not capable of doing what every other westernized county does.

Go to Russia. You'll fit right in

Obamacare shows that we are not.

Obamacare neither started the problem of high cost health insurance- or solved it.

Interestingly there was nothing in the Republican plan that specifically would have lowered the cost of health insurance either.

The problem is that our cost of insurance is skyrocketing- because our medical costs are skyrocketing compared to the rest of the Western World.

the costs of medical insurance are skyrocketing because insurance company profits are skyrocketing.

And who forced everyone to buy their product? Oh yeah, tards like you