Pawlenty's Economic plan

Please show direct causation between higher taxation and economic boom.. remembering that coincidence in timing is not proof of causation...

There were many factors in play...

And before you fumble... I will give you a hint... the higher tax rates did not cause an economic boom... just to save you time

The modern phenomenon of chronic deficit spending began with Nixon in 1969, when the deficits began to reach the tens of billions, and it really took off during the Reagan years when the deficits first began to reach the hundreds of billions annually. Before Nixon, there had been sporadic deficits, but never in the hundreds of billions and not on the sustained, year-after-year basis of increasing deficits that we have been living under for the past 30 years since the Reagan tax cuts. That trend was reversed, with significant surpluses during the Clinton administration, along with low unemployment after he raised the top marginal tax rate to just under 40 percent.

Beginning with the Truman administration in 1948, and continuing through the Eisenhower years, we saw high taxes on the wealthy, with the top marginal rates over 80 and 90 percent, combined with low to moderate unemployment. In 1952, for example, the top marginal tax rate was 92 percent, while unemployment was only at 2.0 percent. These were years which also saw many balanced budgets, as shown by data from the U..S. Gov't. Printing Office, based on the wealthiest Americans paying their fair progressive share of taxes as opposed to budgets based on borrowing.

In 1969, Nixon started with a modest surplus of $3.24 billion, combined with a top marginal tax rate of 77 percent. Unemployment was at a low 3.5 percent, and he was following a decade where our Gross Domestic Product had increased by 4.65 percent during the Kennedy years and a whopping 5.5 percent under LBJ. Nixon began by lowering the top marginal tax rate, first to 71.75 percent in 1970, as the unemployment rate increased to 5 percent, and then to 70 percent in 1971, as unemployment jumped up to 5.9 percent. Talk about those "job killing taxes," huh?

During the Nixon and Ford administrations, the top marginal tax rate remained at 70 percent, while unemployment fluctuated from a low of 4.8 percent in 1973 to end at 7.7 percent in 1976. Meanwhile, the combined on-budget and off-budget deficit, i.e. the amount of money borrowed to pay for governmental operations in addition to tax revenues, jumped from $2.842 billion in 1970, the beginning of modern day deficit spending, to $73.73 billion in 1976 under Ford. Meanwhile, the growth in GDP had slowed to a meager 2.6 percent.

This trend continued throughout the 20th Century and into the 21st. Jimmy Carter maintained the top marginal tax as reduced to 70 percent, continuing with combined deficits between $40.7 billion and $73.8 billion, while unemployment continued to hover between 6 and 7 percent. He did manage to increase the rate of growth in GDP to +3.25 percent. After Carter, deficit spending combined with low taxes really skyrocketed under Reagan, with no real improvement in the 6 to 7 percent rate of unemployment he inherited from Carter.

Reagan began in 1981 with a top marginal tax rate of 69.125 percent, and unemployment at 7.6 percent. He reduced the top marginal tax to 50 percent in 1982, and unemployment soared to 9.7 percent, despite the fact that he increased the combined deficit to $127.977 billion, an increase of $54 billion over Carter's highest deficit. Unemployment increased to 9.6 percent in 1983, despite the lower 50 percent top tax rate, and Reagan increased the deficit to $207.802 billion, almost three times the top Carter deficit.

Over the remainder of Reagan's administration, unemployment began to come down again, into the 6 to 7 percent range between 1984 and 1987, and then 5.5 percent in 1988. Meanwhile, the growth in GDP under Reagan was just +3.4 percent, marginally better than Carter's despite the significantly lower tax rate and significantly higher combined deficits. Things did not improve under G.H.W. Bush.

The top marginal tax rate under Bush senior began at Reagan's low 28 percent, with the rate of unemployment holding at over 5 percent in 1989 and 1990. The tax rate increased to 31 percent in 1991, and unemployment increased to 6.8 percent and then 7.5 percent by the end of Bush's term in 1992. Meanwhile, under Bush senior, the combined deficit had soared from $152.6 billion to $290.3 billion, while the GDP growth rate dropped to 21.7 percent. That was the situation that Clinton inherited in 1993.

Clinton began by increasing the top marginal tax rate to 39.6 percent, and reducing the combined deficit to $255 billion in 1993, with 6.9 percent unemployment. During his first term, while the top marginal tax rate remained up at almost 40 percent, both unemployment and the combined deficit steadily declined. Then, in 1998, with unemployment still declining, chronic, increasing deficits that began under Nixon were erased and there was a modest $21.9 billion surplus.

During Clinton's second term, while the top marginal tax remaining at nearly 40 percent, that surplus increased to $236.1 billion by the year 2000, while unemployment plummeted to 3.9 percent in 2000, the lowest it had been since Nixon took office and began cutting taxes while increasing deficits. When Clinton left office, the GDP growth rate had increased to +3.88 percent, better than Reagan with his lower taxes, higher unemployment and record setting deficits, and the highest it had been since LBJ.
 
hmmm, he bottoms one bracket @ 10% for the first 50K in earnings, and an effective income tax rate of 0%, thats huge.
hello, its a flatter tax plan- growing that 18% of gdp taken as revenue, remember? the bigger the 18% the better? you could have 50% rates, it wouldn't mean squat, you'd just wind up with a smaller 18% and no further ahead...and every economist recognizes that.
His plan kills subsidies and plugs loopholes, in exchange for that drop in corp. tax rates, that also have the virtue of pulling funds back from offshore as well. wtf you people want for Christ sakes?

anyone have any suggestions? better yet, wheres the democratic plan....?

taxes under Clinton were much higher than there are now, and we saw one of the greatest economic booms in history. good job creation, rising salaries and a rise in the middle class. if low taxes are suppose to be the spur of the economy then why did this happen?


wait a minute, are you saying the Bush taxes cuts just weren't for the wealthy?:eek:
 
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The DOE is unconstitutional. The constitutional arguments using the taxing and spending clause (General Welfare and the Uniformity clause) are used to support the DOE but this is risible. The constitutional responsibilities of the federal government are clearly limited (because they are enumerated) and the federal government's responsibility to provide education is not found among those responsibilities. Therefore the argument that the central government can constitutionally tax and then spend those revenues does not in anyway allow that the government can spend in any area that it chooses. The federal government is constitutionally bound and restricted. Further the General Welfare clause was intended as an additional check on spending (spending has to help all equally, like defense) and is not an invitation for social engineering. The fact that the U.S. has tended to allow such breaches of its Constitution does not constitute a voiding of that robust document. There are prescribed procedures for doing so and, so far, no such amending procedure has changed the fact the federal government is not a legitimate source of funds for education.

The wisdom of the founders here is amply demonstrated by such government programs as the present administration's RttT (Race to the Top). THIS PROGRAM takes money from the states and people and then redistributes it unequally. This program further corrupts our government by allowing bureaucrats to pick politically connected groups:

Fast forward to this past Tuesday when Secretary Duncan identified the ten recipients of second round RttT funding that did not include the state of New Jersey, which fell just three points shy of the winners circle. The Newark Star-Ledger then revealed that a clerical error cost the state 4.8 points (out of 500 possible) because New Jersey’s application submitted data comparing the 2010 and 2011 state budgets, not the 2008 and 2009 data that the application required. Wednesday, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) accepted full responsibility for the error, but also used the incident to launch a trenchant critique of the entire program:


"That’s the stuff that drives people nuts about government and that’s the stuff the Obama administration should answer for. Are you guys just down there checking boxes like mindless drones, or are you thinking? … When the president comes back to New Jersey, he’s going to have to explain to the people of the state of New Jersey why he’s depriving them of $400 million that this application earned because one of his bureaucrats in Washington couldn’t pick up the phone and ask a question, couldn’t go on the Internet and find information."

Mindless box-checking is just the beginning of RttT’s problems. When Tuesday’s results were announced, the New Jersey Education Association, the state’s largest teachers union, was quick to claim that it was Gov. Christie’s failure to get “buy in” from unions on the application that ultimately cost the state millions in federal cash. Specifically, Gov. Christie’s insistence on not caving-in to union demands that he weaken the state’s teacher accountability standards lost him far more points than the clerical error did. And New Jersey was not the only state to lose out because of the Obama administration’s slavish devotion to teacher union votes and cash. Proven education reform leaders like Louisiana and Colorado also lost points and finished out of the money because their state’s chosen reforms threatened union priorities. Meanwhile Hawaii (which the Data Quality Campaign ranked 17th for education data systems, which the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools ranked 34th for the strength of their charter laws, and which got a D- from the National Council on Teacher Quality) finished third and will receive $75 million. Oh, but they had 100% “buy in” from the unions. So much for Secretary Duncan’s claim that RttT was committed to “putting the needs of children ahead of everyone else.”

But swinging back to Pawlenty, I would expect a conservative to recognize, not only the corrupting effects of big government programs like RttT, but the value of market forces that allows consumers (parents of the consumers, in this case) to make their own choices, via vouchers or otherwise at the state level, that would actually lead to a better educated citizenry.

In 2013 we will hopefully be able to ask:

How much have we given to the DOE to redistribute to the states and how much has that improved the educational product? The trend, now, is away from public education and towards private. There is a reason for that and a conservative presidential candidate should allow that reason to inform any answer he might give regarding improving American education. For those interested in more about this here is some reading material.

JM
 
there are plenty of things not specifically stated in the constitution that government provides and regulates:

The Air Force
Congressional Districts
The Electoral College
Executive Order
Executive Privilege
Freedom of Expression
(Absolute) Freedom of Speech and Press
"From each according to his ability..."
God
Immigration
Impeachment means removal from office
Innocent until proven guilty
It's a free country
Judicial Review
Jury of Peers
"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
Marriage
Martial Law
No taxation without representation
Number of Justices in the Supreme Court
"Of the people, by the people, for the people"
Paper Money
Political Parties
Primary Elections
Qualifications for Judges
The right to privacy
The right to travel
The right to vote
The separation of church and state
The Separation of Powers Clause
Slavery

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

the constitution is interpreted by the Courts, and they have ruled the Fed has the power over all of these things.
 
Sounds like something familiar

- Cut taxes
- Deregulate Wall St, Healthcare and all businesses
- Kill EPA
- Villify Government

Sounds like Bush
.....But, worse.....​

"The economic plan unveiled last week by 2012 GOP presidential hopeful Tim Pawlenty included $7.8 trillion in tax cuts, on top of the $2.5 trillion cost of continuing to extend the Bush tax cuts for the next ten years. His tax plan would mean a 41 percent tax cut for millionaires, even as it caused the deficit and debt....


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Maybe it's just me but I really don't like him. He seems like a dickhead in real life while saying the same old shit that everyone on the stage is saying.
 

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