Pawlenty Drops Out

I find it unlikely that his social leanings did not influence his decisionmaking on political issues. He merely refrained from expresing them publicly.

Then by all means point out his votes that support your opinion. Indeed he spoke out critically against New Deal policies- and as I said he had a very aggressive foreign policy with regards to communism.

Being against Communism does not exclude support for Socialism.

He was against domestic social policies and an anti communist. Communism is merely a step sister to socialism- There is no way he was a fiscal liberal-none.

Now, show me a vote he made that supports your opinion, that he was influenced by his socially liberal opinions prior to statements he made as a man 80 years old man.
 
The unfortunate thing about T-Paw (who was my second choice after Perry) is that he never made an effective case.

The case he should have made was that he was a conservative in the state so liberal it gave the country Hubert Humphrey and Walter Mondale, and yet he got elected twice, was able to work across the ailse and get things done, and could win even in a year like 2006 when the GOP brand was toxic.

Pawlenty--continually violated Reagan's 11th commandment. Never attack one of your own. He starts slinging mud at Bachmann and Romney--and ended up having to eat it during the debates.

Glad he's gone--now if Santorim would drop out that would make my weekend.
 
I basically agree on your statement about the current split inside the Republican party. But I'm not sure I agree that having an actual debate in the Republican party makes them weaker then the mind numbing homogeneity of the Democratic party.

Debate is great! Nothing wrong with disagreement and espousing new ideas. That's not the problem. That isn't what is happening within the GOP. We are in, and have been, in a struggle for the ideological soul of the GOP since 1980 when Ronald Reagan made a Faustian pact with Jerry Falwell and the Christian Coalition in order to win the Presidency.

That fight has now progressed to the point where it is splitting the Party. I'm a Christian, but I do not believe our government should become a religious government for the same reasons our Founding Fathers decided to keep it secular
That's a complete rewriting of history. He pacified the right wingnuts by discussing his personal social conservatism then did nothing for them policy wise and yet they supported him again running for his second term which he did nothing for them again. He won because he brought in moderate blue collar Democrats.
 
Pawlenty--continually violated Reagan's 11th commandment. Never attack one of your own. He starts slinging mud at Bachmann and Romney--and ended up having to eat it during the debates.

Which explains the fundamental flaw in the National Tea Party and their candidates such as Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann and anyone else who pledges to them. Splitting the GOP with name-calling and personal attacks only serves to help the Democrats reelect President Obama. I fear we're going to see a repeat of last year's Delaware Senatorial election on the national level in 2012.
 
I don't know. When you are always viewing the world through an ideological prism, it must be tough to differentiate between reality and fantasy sometimes.

You took "Cheney or an pagan elder god of destruction" seriously then told him to get a sense of humor? You should have sent your dollar on yourself...
 
Pawlenty--continually violated Reagan's 11th commandment. Never attack one of your own. He starts slinging mud at Bachmann and Romney--and ended up having to eat it during the debates.

Which explains the fundamental flaw in the National Tea Party and their candidates such as Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann and anyone else who pledges to them. Splitting the GOP with name-calling and personal attacks only serves to help the Democrats reelect President Obama. I fear we're going to see a repeat of last year's Delaware Senatorial election on the national level in 2012.

Seriously? You see in American politics the "tea party" as the ones who call names and make personal attacks? Have you ever watched an Obama speech?
 
That's a complete rewriting of history. He pacified the right wingnuts by discussing his personal social conservatism then did nothing for them policy wise and yet they supported him again running for his second term which he did nothing for them again. He won because he brought in moderate blue collar Democrats.

Sorry, dude, but not only did I live it, having been a voting Republican since 1974, but it's in the history books:

The Political Mobilization of the New Christian Right by Bryan Le Beau (Part 1)
Leaders of the New Christian Right coalesced around the candidacy of Ronald Reagan. Reagan alone embraced the political efforts of the NCR and pledged to work for enactment of its agenda (see chaps. 5-7 in T. Baker, Steed, and Moreland 1983). He won by impressive margins and Republicans, with a clearly conservation platform, took control of the Senate for the first time in over twenty years. Although some scholars (Zwier 1982) cautioned against drawing such conclusions, the New Christian Right was credited with securing those victories as well as with successfully influencing the nation's political agenda (Moen 1994, 164).
Without the unifying presence of Ronald Reagan at the head of the ticket, Christian Right leaders split during the 1988 Republican primary campaign. Jerry Falwell endorsed George Bush, while Jack Kemp and Robert Dole drew support from other New Christian Right activists. With the decline of the four major groups active in 1980--most notably the Moral Majority-- the significance of those endorsements was dubious. The major focus of NCR activism was the campaign for the Republican nomination by Pat Robertson, an ordained Southern Baptist minister who had built the Christian Broadcasting Network into the nation's largest religious broadcasting empire. Robertson, however, eventually withdrew from the campaign, a victim of the strong competition, his own verbal gaffes and limited experience, and strong divisions within the New Christian Right (Wald 1991).

Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly . PERSPECTIVES . Ronald Reagan and the Religious Right . June 11, 2004 | PBS
BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: President Reagan had a special relationship with conservative Protestant evangelicals -- he identifying with them, they voting for him.
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Mr. DIONNE: ....The Christian conservative movement really got organized in the '70s. And I think Reagan did have some sense of faith that came from his mother, from everything he said, but also realized the political power of the evangelical movement in politics.
 
Sorry, dude, but not only did I live it, having been a voting Republican since 1974, but it's in the history books

The quotes support the nomination more strongly then the election. And it doesn't support that Reagan caused anything today at all.
 
T-Paw had the trouble of being a 'green republican' as well as not casting a commanding presence. Romney=lite isn't going to cut it in this race. Face it, he cannot take over a room with his personality which you pretty much need to be elected president. I think the last one who couldn't do that was HW Bush, who won based more on his resume than anything else.

Not to mention he was the weaker of the two Minnesotan candidates despite having the more advantageous position of being a governor with an okay to good record to run on.

Bachmann just outshined him.

And just how many times do we need to learn that having a great ability to run one's mouth has NOTHING to do with being a good president.
:::shoots a glance over towards the white house::::

Really? ;) Did you mean to showcase Homey the Pres while he's on vacation like that?


Couldnt' agree more.

Just because you talk a good game doesn't mean you can play a good game.

Thats something Barry and his posse prove every day.

I'm sure thats just what the Boop was trying to say. LOL
 
T-Paw had the trouble of being a 'green republican' as well as not casting a commanding presence. Romney=lite isn't going to cut it in this race. Face it, he cannot take over a room with his personality which you pretty much need to be elected president. I think the last one who couldn't do that was HW Bush, who won based more on his resume than anything else.

Not to mention he was the weaker of the two Minnesotan candidates despite having the more advantageous position of being a governor with an okay to good record to run on.

Bachmann just outshined him.

And just how many times do we need to learn that having a great ability to run one's mouth has NOTHING to do with being a good president.

Guess we should have learned that lesson with Obama, right?

Immie
 
I don't think Bachmann will get the nomination, but given how badly the Community Organizer has screwed up the economy, the GOP could run the Cheney/C'Thulhu ticket and win at this point

I think Romney could lose. He's another free spender in the W, McCain mode. He contradicts himself which unlike when Democrats do it the liberal media will report. And the Left who preach tolerance will once again demonstrate they have none scaring people about a Mormon becoming President. He's getting it relatively light right now from the left and their military wing, the media, specifically because they want him nominated. They even try to help with the innuendo they are afraid most of him. Clearly they are not given how hard they are working to get him nominated.

The media doesn't report on left wing flip floppers? Was I dreaming the Kerry/Bush race?

What exactly is this "liberal media" (myth, myth...yes?) doing to promote Romney?

I'm not sure what you mean here. The media did everything it could to put Kerry in the White House. They failed because their chosen candidate is an arrogant prick.

They defended his flip-flopping. It was conservatives that kept, "I actually voted for it before I voted against it" in the forefront of our memories, not the media.

edit: Oh, and I apologize for my language. My only excuse is that except for Bill Clinton and John McCain, John Kerry is probably the only Presidential candidate that I literally despised. I learned to almost like Bill Clinton, but I don't think that would have happened with John Kerry.

Immie
 
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The quotes support the nomination more strongly then the election. And it doesn't support that Reagan caused anything today at all.

Disagreed. Once the Christian Right was allowed into the GOP tent, it started changing our party from a fiscally responsible and nationally focused political party into a half-breed religious party dictating values to American citizens. It used to be thought "a man's home is his castle". That what went on behind one's own doors was one's own business. No more. Now we are being subjected to moral scrutiny. How long before "the Missionary Position" will become the only one sanctioned by the "new and improved GOP"?
 
If you run Bachman you will seal the history of just how insane this current republican party is and your sound defeat in the next election.

I don't think Bachmann will get the nomination, but given how badly the Community Organizer has screwed up the economy, the GOP could run the Cheney/C'Thulhu ticket and win at this point.


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Cheney

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C'Thulhu

2012

Why vote for the LESSER of two evils?

Been thinking about this post as I read through much of the thread and I have to say this. You know, if there is one thing that could convince me to vote for Barack Obama putting Dick Cheney on the Republican ticket has got to be it.

Immie
 
The unfortunate thing about T-Paw (who was my second choice after Perry) is that he never made an effective case.

The case he should have made was that he was a conservative in the state so liberal it gave the country Hubert Humphrey and Walter Mondale, and yet he got elected twice, was able to work across the ailse and get things done, and could win even in a year like 2006 when the GOP brand was toxic.

Pawlenty--continually violated Reagan's 11th commandment. Never attack one of your own. He starts slinging mud at Bachmann and Romney--and ended up having to eat it during the debates.

Glad he's gone--now if Santorim would drop out that would make my weekend.

I, for one, did not find the spat between Pawlenty and Bachmann as being a problem or offensive in any manner. In fact, I thought that it would make them a good team down the line. Much better than Obama and "yes man" Biden.

Immie
 

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