Paul Ryan's Tax Plan vs. Obama's

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    (Click on the picture to see the graph better.)

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    If you listen closely enough, you may hear Mr. Ryan's laughter as he and the rest of his pals take a piss on the poor and middle class.
     
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    Stunning example of the class war taking place in the tax debate, isn't it?

    Good catch Dogbert.
     
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    Do you think the people that are represented, SHOULD be taxed? Maybe with this setup, the middle class and "poor" will vote for smaller gov and lower taxes instead of voting for someone else to pay for the services they want.
     
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    Thanks. I found it posted elsewhere and I decided to post it here.

    I was also able to find where the graph itself is originally posted.

    Paul Ryan's Plan to Tax You More | Mother Jones

    However, the source of all information here is the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP).

    And for those at home wondering who they are:

    About ITEP

     
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    Are you saying that all these people getting tax increases are not taxed at the moment?

    And so you're saying Paul "I worship Ayn Rand" Ryan's plan is perfect as a stick to bash the poor and middle over the head to vote not for lower taxes or smaller government but the way you want.

    I get it.

    You enjoying that class warfare against opponents who can't even afford a decent place to live, never mind internet?
     
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    Ironically I heard Ryan on Foxnews earlier today and he was I think citing this same organization with tax numbers regarding the healthcare bill.
     
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    Do you have the tables of the actual projected paid tax by income level per person currently, under Ryan and under Obama?

    Showing a net reduction from a level that is not being paid in the real world is a little shifty.

    Do you think that there are people whose intrinsic value to the society is such that they should pay no tax?
     
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    Why are you too lazy to figure it out for yourself?

    If you had to ask the first question, how could you come to the conclusion in your second sentence?

    Do you mean like Nelson A Rockefeller making a seven figure income and paying not one cent in taxes when he was appointed VP?

    Total Federal Taxes
    .......................Obama ............ Ryan
    Lowest 20% .....$600 ............... $2,200
    Second 20% .....$3,700 .............$5,700
    Middle 20% ......$8,300 .............$10,200
    Fourth 20% ......$15,100 ...........$16,400
    Top 1% .......... $487,000 ..........$276,000
     
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    From my post:

    "Do you have the tables of the actual projected paid tax by income level per person currently, under Ryan and under Obama?"

    I was asking for a third category to be added, current taxes paid. As I said the two plans which are currently non-existant is an interesting, but meaningless diversion. Knowing what is currently being paid is the point of departure that would mean something.

    I don't think anyone has the intrinsic value to society to avoid taxes. Do you?

    In my way of thinking, if you live in a country, state, community, whatever, that requires taxation to provide benefits like sewers or roads or protection from the public enemy, you should bear a portion of the cost required to support same.

    I have heard that about half of the adult population currently avoids Federal taxation. My assumption is that there are not that many Rockefellers. I could be wrong.

    I would love to hear your opinion from the world where a question is a conclusion.
     
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    More tax breaks for the superrich, the cost of which is passed off to the less wealthy or more likely to the FUTURE generations to cope with.

    Yeah, that's been working out real well for us, so far, hasn't it?.

    We ought to keep doing that.
     

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