Paul Ryan -v- the myth makers

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"If you’ve been following the debate over the House Republican budget proposed by Wisconsin congressman Paul Ryan, you have probably heard that it savagely cuts programs for the poor in order to fund tax cuts for the rich, that its numbers don’t add up, and that in the short run it expands the deficits. These claims, though asserted confidently, either depend on highly contestable assumptions or are demonstrably untrue.

• David Frum writes in The Week that Ryan’s “debt reduction plan actually increases the debt over the medium term — by even more [than] President Obama’s budget would.”

The CBO’s actual projections for the Ryan plan show a debt level in 2021 that is $4.7 trillion lower than its projections for Obama’s budgets. Ryan’s plan is designed to rapidly stabilize federal debt as a share of the economy: That percentage peaks in year three and then starts falling. The CBO projections for Obama’s budgets just show the number rising higher and higher over the decade."

Paul Ryan vs. the Mythmakers - Ramesh Ponnuru - National Review Online
 
"If you’ve been following the debate over the House Republican budget proposed by Wisconsin congressman Paul Ryan, you have probably heard that it savagely cuts programs for the poor in order to fund tax cuts for the rich.........
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......all-of-a-sudden it's the poor, now, huh....rather than......


Have you folks (even) started walling-off Ghettos for the poor (or, do they go straight to processing)????

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"If you’ve been following the debate over the House Republican budget proposed by Wisconsin congressman Paul Ryan, you have probably heard that it savagely cuts programs for the poor in order to fund tax cuts for the rich, that its numbers don’t add up, and that in the short run it expands the deficits. These claims, though asserted confidently, either depend on highly contestable assumptions or are demonstrably untrue.

• David Frum writes in The Week that Ryan’s “debt reduction plan actually increases the debt over the medium term — by even more [than] President Obama’s budget would.”

The CBO’s actual projections for the Ryan plan show a debt level in 2021 that is $4.7 trillion lower than its projections for Obama’s budgets. Ryan’s plan is designed to rapidly stabilize federal debt as a share of the economy: That percentage peaks in year three and then starts falling. The CBO projections for Obama’s budgets just show the number rising higher and higher over the decade."

Paul Ryan vs. the Mythmakers - Ramesh Ponnuru - National Review Online

the title of the article/thread are butt backwards.

ryan IS the myth maker. you're just one of the enablers.
 
Has anyone even read the proposal? i find it interesting. It basically replaces the corporate income tax with a form of a VAT. What makes it interesting is that with that compaines can't hide thier tax liability via offshore offices, or creative accounting. You sell it here, the taxes get paid here.

I know people will think that this is basically a sales tax, and it may be, but you pay right now in product costs for the taxes paid by companies anyway.
 
"If you’ve been following the debate over the House Republican budget proposed by Wisconsin congressman Paul Ryan, you have probably heard that it savagely cuts programs for the poor in order to fund tax cuts for the rich, that its numbers don’t add up, and that in the short run it expands the deficits. These claims, though asserted confidently, either depend on highly contestable assumptions or are demonstrably untrue.

• David Frum writes in The Week that Ryan’s “debt reduction plan actually increases the debt over the medium term — by even more [than] President Obama’s budget would.”

The CBO’s actual projections for the Ryan plan show a debt level in 2021 that is $4.7 trillion lower than its projections for Obama’s budgets. Ryan’s plan is designed to rapidly stabilize federal debt as a share of the economy: That percentage peaks in year three and then starts falling. The CBO projections for Obama’s budgets just show the number rising higher and higher over the decade."

Paul Ryan vs. the Mythmakers - Ramesh Ponnuru - National Review Online

the title of the article/thread are butt backwards.

ryan IS the myth maker. you're just one of the enablers.

Jillian, I'm always interested in learning something new. Why don't you post the information that you used to arrive at your conclusion. I would like to see how you determined that Paul Ryan, is a myth maker. Researching this topic before you started posting would have saved you much embarrassment. As a matter of fact if you had simple read this article you would have come to an entirely different conclusion. For example you would have learned that even the CBO has stated that Obama's budget will increase the deficit substantially. Ryan's budget will decrease the deficit by over 4 trillion. One good thing did come from Obama's speech. He finally admitted that the USA is in fiscal crisis. He even brought forward the information that the interest on the money we are borrowing will soon top 1 trillion dollars per year. How's that for a warm fuzzy? I can hardly wait to read your reply. :up:
 
the title of the article/thread are butt backwards.

ryan IS the myth maker. you're just one of the enablers.

Please explain.... :doubt:
It's lookin' like Paulie Ryan missed the fine-print......

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April 21, 2011

"The movie “Atlas Shrugged”, adapted from Ayn Rand’s 1957 novel by the same name, is a triumph of cinematic irony. A work that lectures us endlessly on the moral superiority of heroic achievement is itself a model of mediocrity. In this, the film perfectly reflects both the novel and the mind behind it.

None of the characters expresses a hint of sympathetic human emotion — which is precisely the point. Rand’s novels are vehicles for a system of thought known as Objectivism. Rand developed this philosophy at the length of Tolstoy, with the intellectual pretensions of Hegel, but it can be summarized on a napkin. Reason is everything. Religion is a fraud. Selfishness is a virtue. Altruism is a crime against human excellence. Self-sacrifice is weakness. Weakness is contemptible. “The Objectivist ethics, in essence,” said Rand, “hold that man exists for his own sake, that the pursuit of his own happiness is his highest moral purpose, that he must not sacrifice himself to others, nor sacrifice others to himself.”

If Objectivism seems familiar, it is because most people know it under another name: adolescence.

The appeal of Ayn Rand to conservatives is both considerable and inexplicable. Modern conservatism was largely defined by Ronald Reagan’s faith in the people instead of elites. Rand regarded the people as “looters” and “parasites.” She was a strenuous advocate for class warfare, except that she took the side of a mythical class of capitalist supermen. Rand, in fact, pronounced herself “profoundly opposed” to Reagan’s presidential candidacy, since he did not meet her exacting ideological standards.

Rand cherished a particular disdain for Christianity. The cross, she said, is “the symbol of the sacrifice of the ideal to the nonideal. . . . It is in the name of that symbol that men are asked to sacrifice themselves for their inferiors. That is precisely how the symbolism is used. That is torture.” Yet some conservatives marked Holy Week by attending and embracing “Atlas Shrugged


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The fact remains the American people dont like the plan.

does that matter to you?
 
So...

...in the Ryan Plan, the government forces seniors to buy private insurance.

What happened to all those on the Right who are against that sort of thing?

That whole unconstitutional business...
 
The fact remains the American people dont like the plan.

does that matter to you?

What part of financial crisis do you not understand? Do you really believe we can keep running a deficit? What are the consequences of a currency crisis?
"Reagan proved deficits don't matter."
Dick Cheney

'I don't worry about the deficit. It's big enough to take care of itself.'
Ronald Reagan
 
"If you’ve been following the debate over the House Republican budget proposed by Wisconsin congressman Paul Ryan, you have probably heard that it savagely cuts programs for the poor in order to fund tax cuts for the rich, that its numbers don’t add up, and that in the short run it expands the deficits. These claims, though asserted confidently, either depend on highly contestable assumptions or are demonstrably untrue.

• David Frum writes in The Week that Ryan’s “debt reduction plan actually increases the debt over the medium term — by even more [than] President Obama’s budget would.”

The CBO’s actual projections for the Ryan plan show a debt level in 2021 that is $4.7 trillion lower than its projections for Obama’s budgets. Ryan’s plan is designed to rapidly stabilize federal debt as a share of the economy: That percentage peaks in year three and then starts falling. The CBO projections for Obama’s budgets just show the number rising higher and higher over the decade."

Paul Ryan vs. the Mythmakers - Ramesh Ponnuru - National Review Online

Fool. His plan promises an unemployment rate of 2.8%. Has it ever been that low in the nations history?

Besides, he comes right out and says "vouchers for the elderly". These current programs were created because people 70 and 80 couldn't get health care. No one will ensure them. To be old was to be destitute. To be old was to eat pet food.

You have the internet. There is no excuse for such ignorance. Too bad you have no shame. You must be a Republican.
 
the title of the article/thread are butt backwards.

ryan IS the myth maker. you're just one of the enablers.

Please explain.... :doubt:
It's lookin' like Paulie Ryan missed the fine-print......

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April 21, 2011

"The movie “Atlas Shrugged”, adapted from Ayn Rand’s 1957 novel by the same name, is a triumph of cinematic irony. A work that lectures us endlessly on the moral superiority of heroic achievement is itself a model of mediocrity. In this, the film perfectly reflects both the novel and the mind behind it.

None of the characters expresses a hint of sympathetic human emotion — which is precisely the point. Rand’s novels are vehicles for a system of thought known as Objectivism. Rand developed this philosophy at the length of Tolstoy, with the intellectual pretensions of Hegel, but it can be summarized on a napkin. Reason is everything. Religion is a fraud. Selfishness is a virtue. Altruism is a crime against human excellence. Self-sacrifice is weakness. Weakness is contemptible. “The Objectivist ethics, in essence,” said Rand, “hold that man exists for his own sake, that the pursuit of his own happiness is his highest moral purpose, that he must not sacrifice himself to others, nor sacrifice others to himself.”

If Objectivism seems familiar, it is because most people know it under another name: adolescence.

The appeal of Ayn Rand to conservatives is both considerable and inexplicable. Modern conservatism was largely defined by Ronald Reagan’s faith in the people instead of elites. Rand regarded the people as “looters” and “parasites.” She was a strenuous advocate for class warfare, except that she took the side of a mythical class of capitalist supermen. Rand, in fact, pronounced herself “profoundly opposed” to Reagan’s presidential candidacy, since he did not meet her exacting ideological standards.

Rand cherished a particular disdain for Christianity. The cross, she said, is “the symbol of the sacrifice of the ideal to the nonideal. . . . It is in the name of that symbol that men are asked to sacrifice themselves for their inferiors. That is precisely how the symbolism is used. That is torture.” Yet some conservatives marked Holy Week by attending and embracing “Atlas Shrugged


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Love that picture. Must have been taken when his 80 year old grandmother said, "But Paul, I can't get health care. I'm too old."
 

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