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Thanks for proving that your entire argument is based upon what the plan is called and not what it does...exactly like I said.When did Ryan ever advocate ending Medicare? Who was it who slashed $500B from Medicare? Hint, it wasn't Ryan.
Had we simply adopted the Ryan plan we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
Here comes Rabbi's semantics games. His plan ends Medicare. Just because you're only concerned with what it is called and not how it functions doesn't mean "Medicare" isn't essentially ending under his plan.
Really? What does it replace with? What is the new plan called?
Oh yeah. There is still a plan called Medicare.
It still provides more or less what the present one provides. It functions in a manner that will guarantee its solvency down the road, unlike Obama's plan that guarantees the opposite.
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Are they really blaming Ryan for that?
As long as its called Medicare, its all good, right?
When did Ryan ever advocate ending Medicare? Who was it who slashed $500B from Medicare? Hint, it wasn't Ryan.
Had we simply adopted the Ryan plan we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
Here comes Rabbi's semantics games. His plan ends Medicare. Just because you're only concerned with what it is called and not how it functions doesn't mean "Medicare" isn't essentially ending under his plan.
Really? What does it replace with? What is the new plan called?
Oh yeah. There is still a plan called Medicare. It still provides more or less what the present one provides. It functions in a manner that will guarantee its solvency down the road, unlike Obama's plan that guarantees the opposite.
Boy have you been snookered. But no one accused you of being the smartest guy in the room. Even when you're alone.
Here comes Rabbi's semantics games. His plan ends Medicare. Just because you're only concerned with what it is called and not how it functions doesn't mean "Medicare" isn't essentially ending under his plan.
Really? What does it replace with? What is the new plan called?
Oh yeah. There is still a plan called Medicare. It still provides more or less what the present one provides. It functions in a manner that will guarantee its solvency down the road, unlike Obama's plan that guarantees the opposite.
Boy have you been snookered. But no one accused you of being the smartest guy in the room. Even when you're alone.
You think that just by retaining the name, that means Medicare can't be ended.
And you're serious...
"A premium support payment" sure sounds like a VOUCHER to pay the premium on a private health insurance plan.Really? What does it replace with? What is the new plan called?
VoucherCare, though RyanCare would also be acceptable.
Link?
Could it be what he said was what he really meant?
The guy who still erroneously uses "premium support" to describe VoucherCare? Unlikely.
No "genius."Could it be what he said was what he really meant?
The guy who still erroneously uses "premium support" to describe VoucherCare? Unlikely.
OK genius.
Explain to me how Ryan's plan is not premium support.
See what I mean about right wingers?
"Broaden the tax base IS move more of the burden to the middle class".
A voucher program with him saying he wants to move Medicare to "for profit" companies IS moving Medicare to "for profit" companies.
And right wingers call me names. They call me liar. The scream and rant, or say, "I refuse to read it".
But not a single one can say where I'm wrong. No right winger can say, "Republicans want to help elderly Americans". No right winger can say, "Republicans want to support the Middle Class".
Not a one. Not a single one.
So go ahead. Call me names. It's code for "We hate you for being right". If only they were ashamed of what their party is doing. And I thought monsters didn't really exist.
When did Ryan ever advocate ending Medicare?
In the budget resolution that was jammed through the House in April.
I think I understand your constant confusion about Ryan's budget now: you're completely unfamiliar with it. Yes, Ryan's budget contains the exact same Medicare spending reductions as the ACA (how else do you think he finds savings in the 10-year budget window? He makes sure not to actually launch the elimination of Medicare until the second decade, on the assumption he can keep current seniors in the Republican fold by delaying the end of Medicare). The difference is that he then goes substantially further and forbids anyone from enrolling in Medicare ever again after a certain point, beginning the end of Medicare. Instead of receiving access to public health insurance ("Medicare"), seniors are forced to look for private insurance (e.g. Aetna or Anthem, etc). Bold stuff. You should probably read it at some point.Who was it who slashed $500B from Medicare? Hint, it wasn't Ryan.
Probably standard Ryan fare: end Medicare, slash Medicaid, eliminate the top tax brackets. Oh, and raise the debt ceiling $9 trillion so we don't get too many questions about why his "plan" continues to deficit spend.
When did Ryan ever advocate ending Medicare? Who was it who slashed $500B from Medicare? Hint, it wasn't Ryan.
Had we simply adopted the Ryan plan we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
Why do you idiots keep asking that?
Since you posted that calling someone stupid is not name calling, hey STUPID, I posted the link to the Lyin' Ryan bill, are you blind as well as STUPID?When did Ryan ever advocate ending Medicare?
In the budget resolution that was jammed through the House in April.
I think I understand your constant confusion about Ryan's budget now: you're completely unfamiliar with it. Yes, Ryan's budget contains the exact same Medicare spending reductions as the ACA (how else do you think he finds savings in the 10-year budget window? He makes sure not to actually launch the elimination of Medicare until the second decade, on the assumption he can keep current seniors in the Republican fold by delaying the end of Medicare). The difference is that he then goes substantially further and forbids anyone from enrolling in Medicare ever again after a certain point, beginning the end of Medicare. Instead of receiving access to public health insurance ("Medicare"), seniors are forced to look for private insurance (e.g. Aetna or Anthem, etc). Bold stuff. You should probably read it at some point.Who was it who slashed $500B from Medicare? Hint, it wasn't Ryan.
The amazing thing about your post is you make it sound like you actually know what you are talking about. I note one glaring thing though, no actual link to any site that shows the actual text of the Ryan bill that even starts to support your claim.
I wonder why.
When did Ryan ever advocate ending Medicare? Who was it who slashed $500B from Medicare? Hint, it wasn't Ryan.
Had we simply adopted the Ryan plan we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
Why do you idiots keep asking that?
Because no one has ever managed to explain how shifting what Medicare does is an end to Medicare. Coming from the same people that argue that Obamacare does not take over health care it is mindbogglingly opaque.
No "genius."The guy who still erroneously uses "premium support" to describe VoucherCare? Unlikely.
OK genius.
Explain to me how Ryan's plan is not premium support.
Explain how a "premium support payment" is NOT a VOUCHER!!!
Since you posted that calling someone stupid is not name calling, hey STUPID, I posted the link to the Lyin' Ryan bill, are you blind as well as STUPID?In the budget resolution that was jammed through the House in April.
I think I understand your constant confusion about Ryan's budget now: you're completely unfamiliar with it. Yes, Ryan's budget contains the exact same Medicare spending reductions as the ACA (how else do you think he finds savings in the 10-year budget window? He makes sure not to actually launch the elimination of Medicare until the second decade, on the assumption he can keep current seniors in the Republican fold by delaying the end of Medicare). The difference is that he then goes substantially further and forbids anyone from enrolling in Medicare ever again after a certain point, beginning the end of Medicare. Instead of receiving access to public health insurance ("Medicare"), seniors are forced to look for private insurance (e.g. Aetna or Anthem, etc). Bold stuff. You should probably read it at some point.
The amazing thing about your post is you make it sound like you actually know what you are talking about. I note one glaring thing though, no actual link to any site that shows the actual text of the Ryan bill that even starts to support your claim.
I wonder why.
Really? What does it replace with? What is the new plan called?
Oh yeah. There is still a plan called Medicare. It still provides more or less what the present one provides. It functions in a manner that will guarantee its solvency down the road, unlike Obama's plan that guarantees the opposite.
Boy have you been snookered. But no one accused you of being the smartest guy in the room. Even when you're alone.
You think that just by retaining the name, that means Medicare can't be ended.
And you're serious...
Remember Rabbi is the same person who
- Thinks a good solution for people without health insurance is using Power of attorney.
- That black people can't be good leaders simply because of their skin color
- And that an increase of 10% of people to 15% of people is somehow NOT an increase of 50%
So yeah, only caring that its still called Medicare is right up Rabbis alley.
You didn't like it that Obama cut $500,000,000,000. in payoffs to private insurance that was coming from Medicare? Very interesting.Paul Ryan on Fox with Chris Wallace: What he's really saying?
Probably standard Ryan fare: end Medicare, slash Medicaid, eliminate the top tax brackets. Oh, and raise the debt ceiling $9 trillion so we don't get too many questions about why his "plan" continues to deficit spend.
When did Ryan ever advocate ending Medicare? Who was it who slashed $500B from Medicare? Hint, it wasn't Ryan.
Had we simply adopted the Ryan plan we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
