Paul Ryan on Fox with Chris Wallace: What he's really saying?

Could it be what he said was what he really meant? Only the liberals speak in code and they seem to think everyone speaks in code. You can't ever believe what the libs say. Remember "I'll put all bills on the internet for 3days before voting?" Code for " you have to pass it if you want to see what's in it",
. Remember "The most open and transparent administration in history"? Code for closed door committees. Only Libs speak code. You can't trust what they say.
 
I was watching Gov. Huckabee last night, and Charles Rangle was on his show, he was talking about having a fairer tax.
Since he got into trouble with his taxes, he seems to have finally seen how our tax code is too complicated.
He said he was going to get some kind of bill together for a more fair and simpler tax.
We will see how this goes over with all of the progressives.

Wealthy people have lawyers that handle their taxes. Even though my taxes are a large part of my income, they aren't that difficult to do. I only have one job and the only thing of real value is my 401 and I know that millions of Americans are like me, but without the 401.

If they can simplify the tax code, fine, but most of the time, that's code for "move the burden to the middle class. Since the rich, by buying politicians and having them do their bidding have created this mess, I suspect the middle class will once again get the short end of the stick in the worst possible place.

A 401? Taxes are a large part of my income?

You're so fucking stupid.
 
Could it be what he said was what he really meant? Only the liberals speak in code and they seem to think everyone speaks in code. You can't ever believe what the libs say. Remember "I'll put all bills on the internet for 3days before voting?" Code for " you have to pass it if you want to see what's in it",
. Remember "The most open and transparent administration in history"? Code for closed door committees. Only Libs speak code. You can't trust what they say.

rdean hears voices.. Simple English is code to him.
 
The problem we have is that you don't believe this. If you did, we wouldn't have the entitlement mentality that the left encourages. It is the right wing that believes we should teach people to help themselves. The left just wants them forever condemned to hand outs.... so they keep voting for more benefits from the Dems. All the Dems want is power. Y'all don't give a shit about people.

And your lying is pathetic.

Pathetic is you. Social security is paid for. I've been paying into it since I was 12.

Medicare is infinitely less expensive than "Health Care for Profit" and "emergency rooms". Unless you advocate death as "health care for the poor, disabled and elderly"?

What is wrong with you jerks? How did right wingers, and you ARE a right winger, get so ignorant and so mean. I didn't used to think "monsters" were real.

Social Security is paid for? You're a fucking moron. Paid for? LOL We have to borrow to pay current benefits! How is that paid for?

"I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it" Barack "Social Security Really is Bankrupt" Obama
If Todsterpatriot wasn't such a hypocrite he would explain it to you. He claims that Bush only had a $161 billion deficit in 2007 because the $340 billion Bush borrowed from SS and the other trust funds are an asset that just needs to be redeemed. But, of course, as I tried to explain to him, to redeem the IOUs the government has to borrow the money, as you just pointed out.

So as long as CON$ claim that the biggest Bush deficit was $400 billion, as the little fairy Jeffy Sessions did today on the Sunday talk shows, then SS has about a $3 trillion surplus banked, in government treasury bonds backed by the full faith and credit of a GOP default. :lol:
 
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See what I mean about right wingers?

"Broaden the tax base IS move more of the burden to the middle class".

A voucher program with him saying he wants to move Medicare to "for profit" companies IS moving Medicare to "for profit" companies.

And right wingers call me names. They call me liar. The scream and rant, or say, "I refuse to read it".

But not a single one can say where I'm wrong. No right winger can say, "Republicans want to help elderly Americans". No right winger can say, "Republicans want to support the Middle Class".

Not a one. Not a single one.

So go ahead. Call me names. It's code for "We hate you for being right". If only they were ashamed of what their party is doing. And I thought monsters didn't really exist.
 
SS is paid for. Not its fault people borrow from its fund.

"All the Dems want is power. Y'all don't give a shit about people." Power to do what? Not pollute, screw the workers, and pander to the greedy rich and corporations. Tell me ONE thing Dems do that ISN"T for the good of ALL people. YOU ARE DUPED.
 
Paul Ryan is an awful Racist Terrorist!!! Well that's the latest stupid Left/Democrat Talking Point anyway. Paul Ryan made sense but the spastic dumbed-down Left/Democrats were too busy smearing the guy to actually listen. Party before Country. That's the slogan that should replace their "Hope & Change" slogan. It really does say it all about the Democratic Party at this point.
 
Paul Ryan on Fox with Chris Wallace: What he's really saying?

Probably standard Ryan fare: end Medicare, slash Medicaid, eliminate the top tax brackets. Oh, and raise the debt ceiling $9 trillion so we don't get too many questions about why his "plan" continues to deficit spend.

When did Ryan ever advocate ending Medicare? Who was it who slashed $500B from Medicare? Hint, it wasn't Ryan.
Had we simply adopted the Ryan plan we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
 
When did Ryan ever advocate ending Medicare?

In the budget resolution that was jammed through the House in April.

Who was it who slashed $500B from Medicare? Hint, it wasn't Ryan.

I think I understand your constant confusion about Ryan's budget now: you're completely unfamiliar with it. Yes, Ryan's budget contains the exact same Medicare spending reductions as the ACA (how else do you think he finds savings in the 10-year budget window? He makes sure not to actually launch the elimination of Medicare until the second decade, on the assumption he can keep current seniors in the Republican fold by delaying the end of Medicare). The difference is that he then goes substantially further and forbids anyone from enrolling in Medicare ever again after a certain point, beginning the end of Medicare. Instead of receiving access to public health insurance ("Medicare"), seniors are forced to look for private insurance (e.g. Aetna or Anthem, etc). Bold stuff. You should probably read it at some point.
 
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Paul Ryan on Fox with Chris Wallace: What he's really saying?

Probably standard Ryan fare: end Medicare, slash Medicaid, eliminate the top tax brackets. Oh, and raise the debt ceiling $9 trillion so we don't get too many questions about why his "plan" continues to deficit spend.

When did Ryan ever advocate ending Medicare? Who was it who slashed $500B from Medicare? Hint, it wasn't Ryan.
Had we simply adopted the Ryan plan we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

Here comes Rabbi's semantics games. His plan ends Medicare. Just because you're only concerned with what it is called and not how it functions doesn't mean "Medicare" isn't essentially ending under his plan.
 
Paul Ryan on Fox with Chris Wallace: What he's really saying?

Probably standard Ryan fare: end Medicare, slash Medicaid, eliminate the top tax brackets. Oh, and raise the debt ceiling $9 trillion so we don't get too many questions about why his "plan" continues to deficit spend.

When did Ryan ever advocate ending Medicare? Who was it who slashed $500B from Medicare? Hint, it wasn't Ryan.
Had we simply adopted the Ryan plan we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

Why do you idiots keep asking that?
 
Why isnt there a federal food program? Shouldn't the government give us our daily bread? Why are greedy rich supermarkets making money from us?

Now you are thinking like some "charity based Republican organization". This is why Democrats and liberals prefer education.

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, TEACH a man to fish and he feeds his family for a lifetime.

Republicans don't know what they means. They think it's something "Socialist" or "Marxist" or "communist" or "community organizer" or "teacher", of course, to them, those are all "interchangeable". They prefer "charity". Keeps them dependent and makes Republicans feel better about themselves.

Conservatives would end public education if they ever had the power to do so.

The conservative vision of America is a small rich and powerful elite, and masses of working poor, and as a conservative,

you hope you make it into the former, not the latter.
 
Probably standard Ryan fare: end Medicare, slash Medicaid, eliminate the top tax brackets. Oh, and raise the debt ceiling $9 trillion so we don't get too many questions about why his "plan" continues to deficit spend.

When did Ryan ever advocate ending Medicare? Who was it who slashed $500B from Medicare? Hint, it wasn't Ryan.
Had we simply adopted the Ryan plan we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

Here comes Rabbi's semantics games. His plan ends Medicare. Just because you're only concerned with what it is called and not how it functions doesn't mean "Medicare" isn't essentially ending under his plan.

Really? What does it replace with? What is the new plan called?
Oh yeah. There is still a plan called Medicare. It still provides more or less what the present one provides. It functions in a manner that will guarantee its solvency down the road, unlike Obama's plan that guarantees the opposite.
Boy have you been snookered. But no one accused you of being the smartest guy in the room. Even when you're alone.
 
Why isnt there a federal food program? Shouldn't the government give us our daily bread? Why are greedy rich supermarkets making money from us?

Now you are thinking like some "charity based Republican organization". This is why Democrats and liberals prefer education.

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, TEACH a man to fish and he feeds his family for a lifetime.

Republicans don't know what they means. They think it's something "Socialist" or "Marxist" or "communist" or "community organizer" or "teacher", of course, to them, those are all "interchangeable". They prefer "charity". Keeps them dependent and makes Republicans feel better about themselves.

Conservatives would end public education if they ever had the power to do so.

The conservative vision of America is a small rich and powerful elite, and masses of working poor, and as a conservative,

you hope you make it into the former, not the latter.

Only 6% of scientists are conservatives. Fact!
 
Funny that he said in that interview, 'Both parties got us to where we are',

and yet HIS plan does everything it can to let the Republicans off the hook.

different from the dems in what way?
 
Oh, btw, this crap with lowering the marginal rates and then eliminating the loopholes, credits, exemptions, etc.,

supposedly to end up with more revenue in the end?

It's a scam. They want to get the rates lower, period, because they know it's extremely difficult to raise the rates themselves.

The loopholes? They'll find their way back in, here and there, bit by bit, over time. It's relatively easy to slip a tax break into legislation.

Let the Republicans lower the top rates and the corporate rates under this ruse and the rich and the corporations will end up paying less, period.

Ask yourself, why would the rich and the corporations support Ryan's plan if it was going to leave them paying more? Seriously, use your heads people.
 

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