Paul Ryan on Fox with Chris Wallace: What he's really saying?

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    I love to hear Republican code and figuring out the actual message. Paul Ryan was still hawking his main talking points starting out with Democrats won't negotiate, be flexible or give an inch and pushing the two main aspects of his economic "plan".

    Number one was "Health Care":

    "We need to move our Health Care to the private sector to "save money"."

    So we move the Medicare and possibly the VA to Health Care companies. Remember, these companies don't actually do anything "medical". They don't own hospitals or employ doctors or nurses. They are "middle men" only. They skim money off insurance policies for their "fair share" for "doing the paperwork". This is how they are able to pay a CEO bonus for Aetna or Chigna more than $100,000,000.00 or even more. Sometimes much more.

    These companies make their profit by figuring out legal ways of denying care to people who become sick. One of their favorite ways is to declare a "pre existing condition" like having an allergy or having a mammogram in the last six months, or having had your tonsils out as a child. All of these have been used as "pre existing conditions with links to reputable sites proving that having been posted here many times. This was why "pre existing conditions" was spelled out in the Health Care Bill.

    The worst part about Ryan's Plan (now the Republican's Plan) is that it ends up costing America so much more in many ways. If people don't have health care, and certainly seniors won't using a "voucher" plan, their "health care" becomes "emergency room" care at many times the cost. Care that's provided by the tax payer, but at 10 times or more the cost. That's the main point and the one point he is never asked.

    Then Chris Wallace asked if "Revenues are on the table" and Ryan said "yes" and this is how:

    The second code is "Broaden the tax base" to raise revenue.

    Then he describes the plan. Lower rates, close loopholes, broaden the tax base. Sounds easy, but what does it really mean?

    Lower rates - he means on the wealthy because they are the "job creators".

    Close Loopholes - lower rates and close loopholes together means with some fancy book keeping, you can say you made the tax code easier and more manageable and stopped the richest Americans from using the loopholes, only you lowered their rates so they are paying the same "or less".

    Broaden the tax base - that means moving a larger share of the tax burden to the poor and the middle class. Exactly the opposite of what everyone except the very richest, like Paul Ryan, want. Lower rates and broaden the tax base - code for move the burden from the rich to the rest of America. That's what it means. Clear as shiny new glass.

    So Republicans may run on "code", but Democrats have to translate "shyster code" to "plain English". Republicans say, "Let America decide". Yea, tell the truth and let America decide. If the polls are any indication, some have already made up their minds. Let's see how well Republicans sell their "Lemon Stew".

    A shyster is slang word for someone who acts in a disreputable, unethical, or unscrupulous way, especially in the practice of law, politics and business.
     
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    I was watching Gov. Huckabee last night, and Charles Rangle was on his show, he was talking about having a fairer tax.
    Since he got into trouble with his taxes, he seems to have finally seen how our tax code is too complicated.
    He said he was going to get some kind of bill together for a more fair and simpler tax.
    We will see how this goes over with all of the progressives.
     
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    Wealthy people have lawyers that handle their taxes. Even though my taxes are a large part of my income, they aren't that difficult to do. I only have one job and the only thing of real value is my 401 and I know that millions of Americans are like me, but without the 401.

    If they can simplify the tax code, fine, but most of the time, that's code for "move the burden to the middle class. Since the rich, by buying politicians and having them do their bidding have created this mess, I suspect the middle class will once again get the short end of the stick in the worst possible place.
     
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    Greetings from the NY 26th....Please run on that! Ryan, a fourth generation millionnaire brat, is incredibly tone deaf on taxes on the rich and Medicare. Perry/Ryan 2012!! LOL!
     
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    Paul Ryan would be a great President. He gets it.
     
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    I only read 6% of the OP.
     
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    "What he's really saying" is just code for..."I'm a Socialist/Progressive and i hate anyone who isn't. Therefore i will just make up shit to smear."
     
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    Funny that he said in that interview, 'Both parties got us to where we are',

    and yet HIS plan does everything it can to let the Republicans off the hook.
     
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    Why isnt there a federal food program? Shouldn't the government give us our daily bread? Why are greedy rich supermarkets making money from us?
     
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    Now you are thinking like some "charity based Republican organization". This is why Democrats and liberals prefer education.

    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, TEACH a man to fish and he feeds his family for a lifetime.

    Republicans don't know what they means. They think it's something "Socialist" or "Marxist" or "communist" or "community organizer" or "teacher", of course, to them, those are all "interchangeable". They prefer "charity". Keeps them dependent and makes Republicans feel better about themselves.
     

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