Pass this Bill!!

The so called jobs bill will do nothing to create jobs

The Obama Jobs Plan: 10 Reasons Why It Is A Bad Joke

But if American workers go out and spend it on stuff made in China, how does that create more jobs for American workers?

Because there are more jobs than simply manufacturing. American workers spending money on stuff made in China increases import jobs and retail jobs.

The Obama jobs plan does next to nothing to prevent jobs from being shipped out of the country.

All efforts to do that have been met with quite a bit of Republican opposition in the past (anti-free trade, protectionism, etc.). The point of this bill was to propose things that have gotten bi-partisan support in the past.

The United States has the highest corporate tax rate in the world. That puts our corporations at a vast disadvantage.

The corporate tax rate needs to be lowered (and simplified), but that's not going to create jobs in the short term because corporations aren't suffering at the moment. The reason they're not hiring has nothing to do with a lack of cash, it's a belief the economy will tank.

According to one estimate, if the trade deficit was totally eliminated it would create 8.4 million new jobs inside the United States.

So why isn't Barack Obama proposing to do something about all of this?

The trade deficit cannot be eliminated through protectionism, nor through acts of Congress. It has to be through coordinated efforts between the exporter and importer nations. The G20 has made some attempts at this and further negotiation could make this work. The idea is to make it so no nation has more than a 5% trade surplus or deficit, but exempting resources (i.e. Saudi Arabia and Russia). So, Germany and China would have to reduce their trade surpluses and the U.S. would have to reduce it's trade deficit.

The Obama jobs plan does nothing about the gigantic mountains of ridiculous regulations that are absolutely killing small business in this country.

He did mention it in the speech. He said he found some to cut. Hopefully this continues and I think Obama will be receptive to some of the Republican ideas on this. However, you can't have stupid ideas like, "every new regulation has to be matched with a regulation cut."

The U.S. national debt has increased by more than 4 trillion dollars since Barack Obama took office. It is currently increasing by more than 2 million dollars per minute.

The primary reason for the deficit is the recession. Most of the rest of Obama's newly added debt has been from things that were already in place before he entered office. I wonder if the $4 trillion includes the 2009 Bush budget as most people do.
 
The sad thing is that the public at large is ignorant of the fact that their actually is no bill. Obama masterfully mislead the public at large yet again in an attempt to put himself on a pedestal while making republicans look bad for not getting it done right away.

Smart political move, terrible economic policy.
But those same politics will be his undoing. The Repubs should give him what he wants with quite a few strings attached.
 
Thanks for all the BS talking points, brainwashed dittohead/Foxbot/pub dupes, 1/2+ racist 20% jackass vote.

Greenspan yesterday: "If it takes raising the deficit to produce jobs, do it!"

Shove your idiotic deficit sky is falling BS up your azz! tyvm, shytteheads...
 
Thanks for all the BS talking points, brainwashed dittohead/Foxbot/pub dupes, 1/2+ racist 20% jackass vote.

Greenspan yesterday: "If it takes raising the deficit to produce jobs, do it!"

Shove your idiotic deficit sky is falling BS up your azz! tyvm, shytteheads...
Already tried that...didn't work. So more money that we don't have down the tubes?

Try again. Something has to give. This time it has to be government getting off our backs. :eusa_hand:
 
It's funny to watch how this speech has backfired... From the comical way the speech was done, the campaign format to the very fact that there is no Jobs bill to actually pass...

While some people like Swallow, RW and TM are cheering about the awesomeness of the speech others were asking if they can see the bill because Obama was incredibly vague.

Obama is owning himself and it's incredible to watch. The worst thing Obama has running agaisnt him is time, time to look at his record, time to watch the economy keep falling apart and time to watch Obama make more of a simple minded fool of himself. Obama has nothing more than attacking Republicans and shifting blame, that is all he has ever been as a President and it's starting to overwhelm his Presidency.
 
The sad thing is that the public at large is ignorant of the fact that their actually is no bill. Obama masterfully mislead the public at large yet again in an attempt to put himself on a pedestal while making republicans look bad for not getting it done right away.

Smart political move, terrible economic policy.

Yes and no... The reality is there is no bill and the truth will quickly come out, hell look at how quickly the cheerleaders on these boards went into hiding. This speech and the manner it was done in (comical) will more than likely follow and hurt Obama during the election.

The fact that there is no bill and in the end it's just a stimulus and both parties hate the idea of more stimulus will catch up to him. Bad speech, bad political move an even worse is the fact that the speech was based literally on "non-policy," something that does not exists.. In the Gaming world we call it vaporware, a game that says it will be all kinds of awesome only to find out it's a pile of hyped up shit.


The fact that Obama is once again holding the coutry hostage while trying to play political games with the economy upsets me, and I know it will upse many others. We (Americans) want a fix and a leader to get up to that point and Obama cares more about making the Republicans look bad as a way to energize his shrinking base rather than deliver a growing healthy economy.
 
Greenspan yesterday: "If it takes raising the deficit to produce jobs, do it!"

Even though I agree with that prescription, this is a pretty bad appeal to authority. It's also an authority who has admitted to being one of the primary causes of the housing bubble that burst (by leaving interest rates too low for too long).
 
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So, the rightwingers don't want to do much as afar as the government being involved except lower corporate taxes, eliminate the Capital Gains taxes and lower the wealthy's taxes.
Below is a US Employment Participation Rate Chart.
Please note the last time the GOP implemented their tax cut frenzy. Despite claims that it lowered unemployment, the real measuring stick ala the Employment Participation Rate didn't budge and in fact stayed lower than the 2000 rate. The unemployment numbers can be fudged by manipulation.
The point is, the GOP plan of 2003, was a failure.
 
"The president proposes and Congress disposes." It is up to a Republican majority Congress now.
So let us put the decision making process of the President's proposal in proper perspective.

The Office of the Presidency has Veto power through legislation and Senate can override the President
with a two-thirds vote. Let us research the origins of the results before we throw tomatoes at
Obama. This knowledge is something every"AMERICAN" embrace.

So when the Republican House passed Cut, Cap & Balance and sent it to the Senate, where Harry Reid immediately tabled it and the President came out and said he would veto any such legislation if it came to his desk...how is it "up to a Republican majority Congress" to get things done? Sorry but the party that controls one third of a government consisting of three parts does not have a working majority. They can prevent the opposition from passing bills but they cannot pass them unilaterally. Harry Reid and Barrack Obama have been quite open about their intention to block Republican bills despite the American people sending a rather loud and clear message in the mid term election that they were not happy. To quote Barack Obama in 2009..."Elections have consequences, Eric. I won." He was 100% correct in that statement. Elections "do" have consequences. It's funny how he disregarded that notion a year later.
 
A distillation (after eliminating all the ums, errs, ahs, duh's, etc..) of Obama's campaign speech to the joint session of congress. I think he really wants Congress to pass the jobs bill.....:lol::lol:(it's worth the click- it's only 45 seconds)

In Obama's Jobs Speech, How Many Times Did He Say 'Pass the Bill'? -- VIDEO - Theresa Poulson - NationalJournal.com

Putting this in perspective, what this president is attempting to do is unprecedented. Calling a joint session of Congress and simply demand they pass a bill that will solve all the woes of the country, all of them, and not cost a dime. Why wouldn't they pass it, it's F-ing free :eusa_eh:

And the kicker is there is no bill that anyone has read. And they need to pass it ASAP, no time to debate this. We'll read after they vote, we have no time to wait. It would be racist not to pass this, did I mention it's free? :lol:

you didn't get one of the 50 spams the WH e-mail wizards sent out after the speech?

"Proposal" is the new 'Plan".
 
Thanks for all the BS talking points, brainwashed dittohead/Foxbot/pub dupes, 1/2+ racist 20% jackass vote.

Greenspan yesterday: "If it takes raising the deficit to produce jobs, do it!"

Shove your idiotic deficit sky is falling BS up your azz! tyvm, shytteheads...

Take your overburdened society, cradle to grave mentality and blow it out your ass, moron.
 
Gee, it sure will be nice t read this bill, when do you think someone will get around to actually writing it? And will that be before or after Mr Obama tells us how it's supposed to be paid for?
 
There's no bill written yet, but many of the proposals are pretty specific.



I'm confused. Are the ideas written down in your link the ideas that the Big 0 would have written down if he had written them down?

If not, are the ideas that he will write down similar to the ideas that were written down in the link and if so, is there a written pledge in a different link of the pledge that the the Big 0 would have written down pledging to adhere to those ideas if he had written down the ideas or the pledge?

Your man is a joke and the only ones who don't know it are the Ass himself and those dedicated to kissing his.
 
Interesting... He says he will pay for it with the money that the special commission saves. You know, the 12 political hacks that are sitting there with dug in heels on each of their party's positions on issues. If I was a betting man, I'd bet this bill doesn't get passed, if it does, doesn't get paid for, and will be the focal point for the up-coming 2012 campaign trail. Another typical Obama political campaign speech. Yawn...

Yeah, it was pretty ridiculous for Obama to say this bill will be paid for because he's asking people who no one thinks can come to an agreement to come to an even bigger agreement. However, he is right that short-term spending should be paid for with long-term, rather than short-term cuts. By implication, Obama has signed off on anything the "super committee passes."



My guess is that you've just risen from a coma and have not witnessed the guy ignoring the advice ohis blue ribbon committee and the general message from the last election.

Obama has "signed off" on a fanatical devotion to the dogma of the progressive leftists of the political extreme on the left.
 
"The president proposes and Congress disposes." It is up to a Republican majority Congress now.
So let us put the decision making process of the President's proposal in proper perspective.

The Office of the Presidency has Veto power through legislation and Senate can override the President
with a two-thirds vote. Let us research the origins of the results before we throw tomatoes at
Obama. This knowledge is something every"AMERICAN" embrace.


Droning on about something that may or may not be "proposed" is not a proposal. The president must send a written proposal, that is, legislation, to the Congress. Until then, there is nothing to discuss, nothing to review and nothing to act on in any way whatsoever.

The Republicans have the majority in the House. That is the body that sends legislation to the Senate where Harry Ried sits on it and will not bring it to the floor for a vote.
 
The so called jobs bill will do nothing to create jobs

The Obama Jobs Plan: 10 Reasons Why It Is A Bad Joke

But if American workers go out and spend it on stuff made in China, how does that create more jobs for American workers?

Because there are more jobs than simply manufacturing. American workers spending money on stuff made in China increases import jobs and retail jobs.



All efforts to do that have been met with quite a bit of Republican opposition in the past (anti-free trade, protectionism, etc.). The point of this bill was to propose things that have gotten bi-partisan support in the past.



The corporate tax rate needs to be lowered (and simplified), but that's not going to create jobs in the short term because corporations aren't suffering at the moment. The reason they're not hiring has nothing to do with a lack of cash, it's a belief the economy will tank.



The trade deficit cannot be eliminated through protectionism, nor through acts of Congress. It has to be through coordinated efforts between the exporter and importer nations. The G20 has made some attempts at this and further negotiation could make this work. The idea is to make it so no nation has more than a 5% trade surplus or deficit, but exempting resources (i.e. Saudi Arabia and Russia). So, Germany and China would have to reduce their trade surpluses and the U.S. would have to reduce it's trade deficit.

The Obama jobs plan does nothing about the gigantic mountains of ridiculous regulations that are absolutely killing small business in this country.

He did mention it in the speech. He said he found some to cut. Hopefully this continues and I think Obama will be receptive to some of the Republican ideas on this. However, you can't have stupid ideas like, "every new regulation has to be matched with a regulation cut."

The U.S. national debt has increased by more than 4 trillion dollars since Barack Obama took office. It is currently increasing by more than 2 million dollars per minute.

The primary reason for the deficit is the recession. Most of the rest of Obama's newly added debt has been from things that were already in place before he entered office. I wonder if the $4 trillion includes the 2009 Bush budget as most people do.



The Democrats controlled both houses of Congress during the final year of the Bush Administration and did not pass a budget. They did pas a continuing resolution that lasted through the end of the Bush presidncy.

The whole ugly mess of the Big 0's fiscal calamity belongs to the Big 0 and his party of ne'er do wells.

Has the Senate taken up the budget delivered to it by the House, yet?
 
Interesting... He says he will pay for it with the money that the special commission saves. You know, the 12 political hacks that are sitting there with dug in heels on each of their party's positions on issues. If I was a betting man, I'd bet this bill doesn't get passed, if it does, doesn't get paid for, and will be the focal point for the up-coming 2012 campaign trail. Another typical Obama political campaign speech. Yawn...

Yeah, it was pretty ridiculous for Obama to say this bill will be paid for because he's asking people who no one thinks can come to an agreement to come to an even bigger agreement. However, he is right that short-term spending should be paid for with long-term, rather than short-term cuts. By implication, Obama has signed off on anything the "super committee passes."

And if he says no to the cuts they propose, then HE becomes 'The President of No', and would be responsible for killing his own jobs bill.
 

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