Partisan Politics: Threat to Our National Survival

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Bush Hatred A Threat to National Security
By Mort Kondracke, Roll Call
May 23, 2006

ENOUGH ALREADY! It's harmful enough that ideological conflict and partisan politics are preventing this country from solving its long-term challenges on health care, fiscal policy and energy. Now it's threatening our national survival.

I do not exaggerate. Bush-hatred has reached such intensity that CIA officers and other bureaucrats are leaking major secrets about anti-terrorism policy and communications intelligence that undermine our ability to fight Islamic extremism.

Would newspapers in the midst of World War II have printed the fact that the United States had broken German and Japanese codes, enabling the enemy to secure its communications? Or revealed how and where Nazi spies were being interrogated? Nowadays, newspapers win Pulitzer Prizes for such disclosures. In Congress and in much of the media, the immediate reaction to news that the National Security Agency was intercepting international terrorist communications was not to say, "Good work - and how can we help?" Rather, it was to scream about a "domestic spying" scandal, as though Richard Nixon were back in the White House and tapping the telephone of Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean.

And the reaction has been much the same to USA Today's story last week that the NSA "has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans" in a program that "reaches into the homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans."

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., ranking member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, reacted by asserting that "these are tens of millions of Americans who are not suspected of anything, but we're just going to collect their phone information for the heck of it. Where does it stop?"

Similarly, Newsweek's cover this week blares "Spying On Your Calls" - no question mark used - and implies that the Bush White House could be tapping everyone's telephones. In fact, what seems to be happening, though the details are secret, is that most long-distance phone companies have given the NSA their billing records identifying what numbers are calling what other numbers, when and for how long. Names are not included. And the NSA - not for the heck of it but to protect us from attack - is using the records to track terrorist networks and calling patterns. If a known terrorist in Pakistan calls a number in Los Angeles, I want the government to know what number that person calls. Don't you?

Certainly, the government will find out the names of people in a terrorist calling chain. If it wants to tap a domestic phone, it needs a warrant, and unless officials are lying through their teeth, it is asking for them.

The NSA call logs also apparently are being mined to establish patterns of terrorist-related communication - the use of pay phones, duration of calls, times of communication, etc. But all this scarcely constitutes "reaching into homes and businesses across the nation." If the government is snooping into the business of anyone except terrorists (or drug dealers, Mafiosi and child pornographers, whose names and numbers also can be easily obtained with a subpoena), it is wasting its time and our money. The phone companies that are cooperating with the government ought to be congratulated for participating in the war on terrorism - as they would have been during WWII. Instead, they are being hauled before the Senate Judiciary Committee as though they were criminals. And trial lawyers are circling like vultures to make them pay zillions for alleged privacy violations. As for myself, I'm sticking with AT&T as a long-distance carrier because (according to news reports), it did cooperate. If I had Qwest, which reportedly refused, I'd cancel.

Is there a potential for abuse in the NSA spying program? There is. For instance, it would be all too easy for officials to ask the NSA to trace the phone records of the winners of those odious Pulitzers - James Risen of The New York Times and Dana Priest of The Washington Post - in an effort to uncover their sources in the name of "protecting secrets" and "fighting terrorism."

The Senate Intelligence Committee, when it quizzes former NSA Director Michael Hayden in his CIA confirmation hearings Friday, should establish that the terrorist surveillance programs have not been abused - although there is no evidence of it.

To the extent he can do so without giving away secrets, Hayden also should tell the committee and the country why these programs are so essential and what the legal basis for them is.

If the administration believes, as officials often have said, that the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is obsolete in the age of super-computers and terrorism, it ought to work with Congress to rewrite the law. Skirting it won't work anymore. But the fundamental problem infecting much of Congress, the media and the political class - especially those left of center - is that they are consumed with loathing for President Bush and all his works and are prepared to do anything to undermine him, even if it makes the country less safe.

Yes, Republicans tried to destroy former President Bill Clinton over sex and politics. But now Democrats want to destroy Bush so badly that they are willing to undercut national security. Everyone in Congress (and the CIA) should see the movie "United 93" as a reminder of what we are up against. Muslim fanatics will not only try to destroy the Capitol, but also explode a nuclear bomb, if they can.

People also should heed the warning delivered by Princeton University professor Bernard Lewis, one of the nation's foremost scholars of Islam, before the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life here last month.

Lewis, now 90, cast the struggle with Islamic extremism in WWII terms - it is 1938, he said, and "we seem to be more in the mode of Chamberlain at Munich rather than of Churchill."

Osama bin Laden and other would-be Hitlers, he said, consider the United States "an effete, degenerate, pampered enemy incapable of real resistance." It's part of the pattern that we fight among ourselves as much as against our enemies. This is more than serious. It's dire.

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Screw Bush. He's just a new world order toady with zero regard for the wishes of the people. The port deal went through anyway with an extra layer of corporate deception. Republicans are throwing open the borders just as fast as dems, for the most part.

A pox on both their house.

All incumbents need to get gone and I don't care who replaces them.
 
rtwngAvngr said:
Screw Bush. He's just a new world order toady with zero regard for the wishes of the people. The port deal went through anyway with an extra layer of corporate deception. Republicans are throwing open the borders just as fast as dems, for the most part.

A pox on both their house.

All incumbents need to get gone and I don't care who replaces them.

I keep wondering what would happen if ALL the anti war folks could pull it together for one week and just pretend to condemn the hell out of the enemies of Iraq and issue them an stern threat. Would a completely united congess make a difference in Iraq ?
 
Where was Mort when the Republicans were villifying President Clinton? Where was he when Rush Limbaugh was telling his listeners to tape a piece of paper on their TV's during the State of the Union which said "LIAR" on it?
 
jasendorf said:
Where was Mort when the Republicans were villifying President Clinton? Where was he when Rush Limbaugh was telling his listeners to tape a piece of paper on their TV's during the State of the Union which said "LIAR" on it?

We hadn't entered the war yet--we were just letting the terrorists pound the hell out of us at will.
 
dilloduck said:
We hadn't entered the war yet--we were just letting the terrorists pound the hell out of us at will.

Actually, if I remember correctly, all of the current day hawks were crying "Wag the dog!! wag the dog!! waaaahhhhhh you're just making up this stuff about going after Osama because you got a blowjob... waaahhhhhhh"

But, don't let history get in the way of your opinion.
 
jasendorf said:
Actually, if I remember correctly, all of the current day hawks were crying "Wag the dog!! wag the dog!! waaaahhhhhh you're just making up this stuff about going after Osama because you got a blowjob... waaahhhhhhh"

But, don't let history get in the way of your opinion.

I also recall hearing "no war for Monica". :scratch:
 
jasendorf said:
Actually, if I remember correctly, all of the current day hawks were crying "Wag the dog!! wag the dog!! waaaahhhhhh you're just making up this stuff about going after Osama because you got a blowjob... waaahhhhhhh"

But, don't let history get in the way of your opinion.

Are you certain it was ALL the current day hawks? Could one or two been the current anti-war crowd? NO??? ok...then I guess the anti-war crowd are a bunch of hypocrits too!
 
jasendorf said:
Actually, if I remember correctly, all of the current day hawks were crying "Wag the dog!! wag the dog!! waaaahhhhhh you're just making up this stuff about going after Osama because you got a blowjob... waaahhhhhhh"

But, don't let history get in the way of your opinion.

Going after Osama ???? Then why in the hell didn't CLINTON kill the tallest man in Afghanstan. Clinton let him run amok
 
CSM said:
Are you certain it was ALL the current day hawks? Could one or two been the current anti-war crowd? NO??? ok...then I guess the anti-war crowd are a bunch of hypocrits too!


The doves did then what they've always done... sat around singing Cumbaya and screamed that was is bad... I don't remember a lot of "peace at all costs" types saying that we should be in Kosovo or tossing missiles into Afghanistan in the 90's. But, I certainly remember the daily "wag the dog, wag the dog" coming from Rush Limbaugh every-friggin'-day undermining the President's political power to go after Osama. Where were all the current day "lock step or leave" crowd back then?
 
dilloduck said:
Going after Osama ???? Then why in the hell didn't CLINTON kill the tallest man in Afghanstan. Clinton let him run amok

He was neutered by the right-wing extremists who second-guessed his every attempt to kill Osama.
 
jasendorf said:
The doves did then what they've always done... sat around singing Cumbaya and screamed that was is bad... I don't remember a lot of "peace at all costs" types saying that we should be in Kosovo or tossing missiles into Afghanistan in the 90's. But, I certainly remember the daily "wag the dog, wag the dog" coming from Rush Limbaugh every-friggin'-day undermining the President's political power to go after Osama. Where were all the current day "lock step or leave" crowd back then?

Let me get this straight--your trying to tell me that Clinton was trying to form an international coalition to get bin laden but Rush stopped him?
 
dilloduck said:
Let me get this straight--your trying to tell me that Clinton was trying to form an international coalition to get bin laden but Rush stopped him?

Rush and his legions of dittoheads. Definitely. Or, are you saying that it isn't even possible to undermine a President during times of war?

Let's see what bills were proposed by the Clinton Administration and killed by the Republicans...

The Comprehensive Antiterrorism Act of 1995
The Counter Terrorism Technology Research Act of 1995
The Antiterrorism Amendments Act of 1995
The Effective Death Penalty and Antiterrorism Act of 1995
The Omnibus Counter Terrorism Act of 1995

Get some info:
http://www.mikehersh.com/Republicans_sabotaged_Clintons_Anti-Terror_Efforts.shtml

This also ignores that President Clinton signed an Executive order to freeze bin Laden's assets and either capture or assassinate him.
 
jasendorf said:
Rush and his legions of dittoheads. Definitely. Or, are you saying that it isn't even possible to undermine a President during times of war?

Let's see what bills were proposed by the Clinton Administration and killed by the Republicans...

The Comprehensive Antiterrorism Act of 1995
The Counter Terrorism Technology Research Act of 1995
The Antiterrorism Amendments Act of 1995
The Effective Death Penalty and Antiterrorism Act of 1995
The Omnibus Counter Terrorism Act of 1995

Get some info:
http://www.mikehersh.com/Republicans_sabotaged_Clintons_Anti-Terror_Efforts.shtml

This also ignores that President Clinton signed an Executive order to freeze bin Laden's assets and either capture or assassinate him.


Are you for ethnic profiling at security checkpoints?
 
jasendorf said:
Sure, as long as you can tell me what ethnicity all terrorists are.

I can't. So that's a no on your part. Odds and historical evidence should be used to increase our safety. Your politically correct attitude is quite suicidal.
 
rtwngAvngr said:
I can't. So that's a no on your part. Odds and historical evidence should be used to increase our safety. Your politically correct attitude is quite suicidal.

Odds?

So, you're willing to risk our safety on a bet? Anything else you'd like to gamble for all of us?

There are far more sophisticated ways to profile which lead to better results without the use of Billy Bob Security Guard's internal monologue saying, "well, that guy looks like a terrorist."
 
jasendorf said:
Odds?

So, you're willing to risk our safety on a bet? Anything else you'd like to gamble for all of us?

There are far more sophisticated ways to profile which lead to better results without the use of Billy Bob Security Guard's internal monologue saying, "well, that guy looks like a terrorist."

No. I'm increasing our safety based on a bet. I'm not opposed to other methods in addition to ethnic profiling.
 
rtwngAvngr said:
No. I'm increasing our safety based on a bet. I'm not opposed to other methods in addition to ethnic profiling.

You're hoping to increase our safety based on a bet. If it was assured, you wouldn't be referring to it as a bet.
 
jasendorf said:
But, I certainly remember the daily "wag the dog, wag the dog" coming from Rush Limbaugh every-friggin'-day undermining the President's political power to go after Osama.

If my recollection of events is correct, Clinton had the luxury of not even having to "go after" bin Laden. He was offered bin Laden on a golden platter three times, and each time he said "No thanks." Show me how Clinton's reaction to these offers demonstrates any intention to "go after" bin Laden.
 

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