Partial Rapture?

Strangely this is the problem I have with the church "rapture" theory:

(Matthew 24:29-31) . . .“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

If Christ does not show up until AFTER the tribulation, how is it Christians are raptured BEFORE the tribulation?

Thus in my opinion that "rapture" premature timing (2Thess2:1-2) is the escapist mindset many claimant Christians are apt to accept and it instead supports a premature "end" expectation that will come in handy for the final cycle presentation of world government at the end of the cycle.

The globalizing engineers can just continue to feed "new insights" into the mainstream prophetic interpretation centers, and the churches can then be more reliably led into the "new world order", and handy Israel will be the final carrot for that "adjustment" in church trajectory when indeed they have found out by that time, they were here for the whole final cycle.

Mainstream church philosophers are really just centralized aids of mindsets that can be useful while the cycle is playing out towards full globalization, or "world government". "Anti-Christ" and all the common church myths, seemingly based on prophecy, have actually all been hijacked by the elites of the whole Christendom system to be used to guide those "sheep" to world government and it be accepted fully by most of them in the process over say the final 7 to 14 years from when the cycle has actually begun.

Thus imo, the further a Christian is out from that organized delusion system, the more chance they will have to actually avoid the "mark of the beast" rather than get the church 666 stencil already contained in the direction their teachings are already leaning. Meaning the "church" is already "666" to have gotten this deep in error this late in the game, and those leaders are the ones to finish the process to lead their whole populations to world government, as of course "the Kingdom of God everyone!!!".

The deeper one is in the current brainwash, the harder it is to see what is really developing overall. A good study of who has backed Israel national development the last 100 years tells you who it is that is "fulfilling prophecy" that the churches already sell as "God". The final cycle just completes the deception that can already be reverse engineered from the co-development of Church theology to back Israel developments from globalist elite groups having nothing whatsoever to do with Almighty God, but with the "god of this system of things" that these bankers have long been known to be affiliates with.

The churches are really, as a blunt as it may sound, an annex of modern demon worship, and they too have all the attendant "deep teachings" to go along with the minds that control them for greater future purposes. And this is why, to many people, organized Christendom is a long known "harlot" system. But imo it takes a certain amount of self honesty to see it for what it really is. Many are born into it and obviously their parents own pursuit of self gain, as is often the case, eclipsed them questioning their religious leaders, and the institutional "father" already knew this from the day they were born, and their parents parents and so on into the deep dark annals of European history, a church blood bath that it is, and one of the reasons for the unpopular nature of history.

It is easier to just eat the cake yet have it too, the reality does not have to be faced until later, by one pinnacle generation, and the denial has worked very well in the meantime. But another reason to doubt the rapture theory as it stands from that church center. There are truths in the Bible, and that is what they are there to confuse and use for the purposes of the darker forces ruling the world now, and they have to use it first before anything true manifests later.

the rapture and second coming are 2 different things. The rapture has to happen before the trib for many reasons.
Strangely this is the problem I have with the church "rapture" theory:

(Matthew 24:29-31) . . .“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

If Christ does not show up until AFTER the tribulation, how is it Christians are raptured BEFORE the tribulation?

Thus in my opinion that "rapture" premature timing (2Thess2:1-2) is the escapist mindset many claimant Christians are apt to accept and it instead supports a premature "end" expectation that will come in handy for the final cycle presentation of world government at the end of the cycle.

The globalizing engineers can just continue to feed "new insights" into the mainstream prophetic interpretation centers, and the churches can then be more reliably led into the "new world order", and handy Israel will be the final carrot for that "adjustment" in church trajectory when indeed they have found out by that time, they were here for the whole final cycle.

Mainstream church philosophers are really just centralized aids of mindsets that can be useful while the cycle is playing out towards full globalization, or "world government". "Anti-Christ" and all the common church myths, seemingly based on prophecy, have actually all been hijacked by the elites of the whole Christendom system to be used to guide those "sheep" to world government and it be accepted fully by most of them in the process over say the final 7 to 14 years from when the cycle has actually begun.

Thus imo, the further a Christian is out from that organized delusion system, the more chance they will have to actually avoid the "mark of the beast" rather than get the church 666 stencil already contained in the direction their teachings are already leaning. Meaning the "church" is already "666" to have gotten this deep in error this late in the game, and those leaders are the ones to finish the process to lead their whole populations to world government, as of course "the Kingdom of God everyone!!!".

The deeper one is in the current brainwash, the harder it is to see what is really developing overall. A good study of who has backed Israel national development the last 100 years tells you who it is that is "fulfilling prophecy" that the churches already sell as "God". The final cycle just completes the deception that can already be reverse engineered from the co-development of Church theology to back Israel developments from globalist elite groups having nothing whatsoever to do with Almighty God, but with the "god of this system of things" that these bankers have long been known to be affiliates with.

The churches are really, as a blunt as it may sound, an annex of modern demon worship, and they too have all the attendant "deep teachings" to go along with the minds that control them for greater future purposes. And this is why, to many people, organized Christendom is a long known "harlot" system. But imo it takes a certain amount of self honesty to see it for what it really is. Many are born into it and obviously their parents own pursuit of self gain, as is often the case, eclipsed them questioning their religious leaders, and the institutional "father" already knew this from the day they were born, and their parents parents and so on into the deep dark annals of European history, a church blood bath that it is, and one of the reasons for the unpopular nature of history.

It is easier to just eat the cake yet have it too, the reality does not have to be faced until later, by one pinnacle generation, and the denial has worked very well in the meantime. But another reason to doubt the rapture theory as it stands from that church center. There are truths in the Bible, and that is what they are there to confuse and use for the purposes of the darker forces ruling the world now, and they have to use it first before anything true manifests later.

the rapture and second coming are 2 different things. The rapture has to happen before the trib for many reasons.

Yes, the church theory requires ignoring Matthew 24:29 for their own escapist appeal to their masses that they are rather, leading to world government to be under the "Kingdom of God" veneer.

Thus, imo, as the "rapture" fails as far as the wildbeast serving church system goes, they will then be baited by the "Israel is being recovered brothers!" delusion as Israel is also a NWO prop. (The Israel prop is used at the end of the cycle to lead people to the world government "beast")

Thus as one church theory fails after another, they save the Israel net for last to scoop up the rest of the church deluded with but another handy mimic fantasy.

The purpose of organized Christianiy was to subvert any Christian believer possible into accepting seminary taught delusions, like the premature rapture theory, to better herd misled Christians to accept the 666 of world government which the Israel deception is the final carrot of the overall delusion complex.

Rather than just read the Bible, like that Matthew 24:29 explicitly obvious logic of the "tribulation of those days" ending BEFORE Christ arrives, stated plain as day, the church drones listen to men from their seminary system and pulpit who have supported themselves in grand style by use of these lies and delusions. Thus a simple scripture and logic like that has no meaning to the church brainwashed ones, the objective of the subversion has been met.

In reality the Bible tells a far different story than the churches no matter what error complex you look at, the seminary teachers cannot get it right, because they have been infiltrated since the Dark Ages and that error continues to today to trap that whole church complex inside the wild beast system.

The churches sell out, and that is why they get no actual "light", imo. I think their "harlot" record for political "king" purposes speaks for itself. The Christian system, including Jehovah's witnesses, is just a propaganda department for world government planners and development. Failure of the WHOLE Christian prophecy complex will aid discrediting all Christianity, and that is what the current church alliance system of teaching provides.

The prophecy comes true, but not in the order the churches prematurely apply out of sequence and for self serving escapist delusions. The churches fulfill the "apostasy" and that is why they never do get the truth. Individuals can be saved, but it is good to flee the church system, it is a death trap. (Matt24:15)

They listen to men, not the Bible or God or Christ. And that is also how Jehovah's witnesses have also been misled into a similar premature end delusion. Expect disappointment after disappointment, because that is the lot of the apostate church and JW system.

A final clarification will arrive through the JW downfall, imo. They were the last point of prophetic progress, but are also now apostates by lead of their apostate Bethel leadership.

There is a reason the Restoration was necessary.
 
Reply to OP:
1) The scrolls and the legend of The Holy city becoming the city of peace in both Judaism and Islam reveal "Night" as being a person (Evening Star=Michael)
while day=morning star=lucifer.
2)you quote Jesus was the thief (imposter) of the Night.but forget what this means in -rev22:16, he's the nemesis of the archangel Michael who overturns the false prophet.
3) Theslonians is plagiarizing Daniel whereby son of man comes with or out of the "clouds" meaning gathering of temple priests. Moshiach comes out of the lineage of the Kohanim and with the gathering of Kohanim during the procession to the temple to come. People are therefore going "up to Mt. Zion" to this enraptured event and gathering (clouds) for the procession of the Moshiach to his temple (Mikdash) in his name. That's why Theslonians says the call to the Temple is from the shout of the top messenger (head of hosts) Michael who's name is in the temple and who Daniel said was the redeemer to come who gave him his visions to come.
-Dan 12:1-4
You guys are the 1/3 who fell for Lucifer and the Deceptions of Rome which is why you don't understand the texts nor what to expect.
 
Reply to OP:
1) The scrolls and the legend of The Holy city becoming the city of peace in both Judaism and Islam reveal "Night" as being a person (Evening Star=Michael)
while day=morning star=lucifer.
2)you quote Jesus was the thief (imposter) of the Night.but forget what this means in -rev22:16, he's the nemesis of the archangel Michael who overturns the false prophet.
3) Theslonians is plagiarizing Daniel whereby son of man comes with or out of the "clouds" meaning gathering of temple priests. Moshiach comes out of the lineage of the Kohanim and with the gathering of Kohanim during the procession to the temple to come. People are therefore going "up to Mt. Zion" to this enraptured event and gathering (clouds) for the procession of the Moshiach to his temple (Mikdash) in his name. That's why Theslonians says the call to the Temple is from the shout of the top messenger (head of hosts) Michael who's name is in the temple and who Daniel said was the redeemer to come who gave him his visions to come.
-Dan 12:1-4
You guys are the 1/3 who fell for Lucifer and the Deceptions of Rome which is why you don't understand the texts nor what to expect.



The prophecies about the Messiah leading people to the 'sanctuary of God' is not about the Messiah leading people to a temple or any man made building where farm animals are slaughtered..
 
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I hope you realize the sacrifice was not an ignorant archaic ritual, it served a purpose for the community.
The symbol was mocking the idol gods within a community gathering that shared of each others labors, they shared their crops and feed the less fortunate with the leftover meat. In other words this was a giant bring your own dish barbeque, where community learned to appreciate their neighbors for the sustanance they bring.
I think when people think of animal sacrifice they think of Aztec like blood lust and archaic beliefs of sacrifice to gods. Remember Jews didn't and don't believe in any magic transformation through rituals, the transformation of spirit was in the comnunity bonding over the spoils of their labors, what any good bring your own dish & block party will do.
 
I hope you realize the sacrifice was not an ignorant archaic ritual, it served a purpose for the community.
The symbol was mocking the idol gods within a community gathering that shared of each others labors, they shared their crops and feed the less fortunate with the leftover meat. In other words this was a giant bring your own dish barbeque, where community learned to appreciate their neighbors for the sustanance they bring.
I think when people think of animal sacrifice they think of Aztec like blood lust and archaic beliefs of sacrifice to gods. Remember Jews didn't and don't believe in any magic transformation through rituals, the transformation of spirit was in the comnunity bonding over the spoils of their labors, what any good bring your own dish & block party will do.


I don't think so...

The purpose of ritual sacrifice is not about a block party or the communal sharing of food according to your own scriptures.



You don't believe that the law requires that a he-goat be ritually slaughtered for the magical expiation of sin?

You know, perjury in the name of God is not exclusive to Christians....

Leftover meat? bonding over the spoils of labor?

really?



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Goat=pagan god
Heifer=Mithra
Meat was eaten,leftover given to the poor
During the community gathering food was brought like harvest shared, this sharing showed the neighbors needed each other and they thus enjoyed the works of their fellow neighbors and the spoils of that community and this sense of community spirit atoned them, not some magic process. NEVER saw a bring your own dish party that doesn't enjoy that same spirit. In fact one of the worst neighborhoods in town have such a barbeque every sunday and I notice how that sense of community and sharing changes them into more inviting, more accepting, and guess what ...no fighting *LOL*
 
Goat=pagan god
Heifer=Mithra
Meat was eaten,leftover given to the poor
During the community gathering food was brought like harvest shared, this sharing showed the neighbors needed each other and they thus enjoyed the works of their fellow neighbors and the spoils of that community and this sense of community spirit atoned them, not some magic process. NEVER saw a bring your own dish party that doesn't enjoy that same spirit. In fact one of the worst neighborhoods in town have such a barbeque every sunday and I notice how that sense of community and sharing changes them into more inviting, more accepting, and guess what ...no fighting *LOL*


sounds exactly like any ignorant archaic ritual that served a purpose for the community. In fact the belief that a person can become holy or defiled by eating or refraining from certain food is itself pagan in origin.


In scripture, goats, like sheep, swine, vermin, serpents, vultures, wolves, cattle, donkeys, birds, dogs, worms, angels and demons, the living and the dead, etc., are figurative depictions of people who by their attributes resemble creatures clean or unclean, highly evolved or low-lifes and everything in between, that reflect the heights and depths of human potential.

A temple is not necessary for a person to enter the sanctuary of God to slaughter a he goat 'without blemish' for the expiation of sin.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with killing farm animals for a barbecue so the poor can eat the leftovers like some ancient form of trickle down economics.. talk about Baal. Sheesh.

If you do not know what else it could be about, all you have to do is ask.
 
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Not even close to what the priests of Baal used to do.
I'm guessing you are one of those people who show up empty handed at bring your own dish parties. Take to much of the stuff that isn't enough to go around (inconsiderate), then leaves with two wraped plate fulls of food for your "friend who couldn't make it out to the party."
You can't miss the atoning nature of such events unless you are "one of those" (receiving types who never give/share)
 
Not even close to what the priests of Baal used to do.
I'm guessing you are one of those people who show up empty handed at bring your own dish parties. Take to much of the stuff that isn't enough to go around (inconsiderate), then leaves with two wraped plate fulls of food for your "friend who couldn't make it out to the party."
You can't miss the atoning nature of such events unless you are "one of those" (receiving types who never give/share)


Are you drunk?

If thats what temple worship is all about, according to you, then how is that any different from saturnalia?

You give some leftovers to the poor at a barbecue every Sunday and then you feel better about yourself for being a schmuck for the rest of the week?

LOL...

Nice.
 
Just minutes after that post an event was broadcast on my local TV about a nearby town (that has these events) and they praised the sense of community which risked themselves and got involved in rescuing a few people. I know for a fact that the nearby community is tight knit whereby the one which is touristy is having serious issues.
So it took only few minutes for some people
who don't know you or this discussion to state some of the things I have about community and prove you wrong, and did so throuout the community on broadcast tv.
So next time drop the chip on your shoulders, bring a side dish and enjoy the labors of your neighbors.
And not a side dish where you dump a can of something into a bowl, really contribute to your community this time, because you never know when they might get involved to help save you next time.
 
Just minutes after that post an event was broadcast on my local TV about a nearby town (that has these events) and they praised the sense of community which risked themselves and got involved in rescuing a few people. I know for a fact that the nearby community is tight knit whereby the one which is touristy is having serious issues.
So it took only few minutes for some people
who don't know you or this discussion to state some of the things I have about community and prove you wrong, and did so throuout the community on broadcast tv.
So next time drop the chip on your shoulders, bring a side dish and enjoy the labors of your neighbors.
And not a side dish where you dump a can of something into a bowl, really contribute to your community this time, because you never know when they might get involved to help save you next time.


No one is disputing the benefits of community. What I have said and what seems that you are either avoiding or the revelation is above your grasp is that the laws regarding ritual sacrifice have nothing whatever to do will killing farm animals in a temple to eat and throw the leftovers to the poor for the expiation of sin, which is disobedience to the law..

The entire concept is absurd. Barbecues are great, keg parties are better, but they have nothing whatever to do with animal sacrifice in a temple which is an ignorant archaic heathen practice to the core.



You, a he-goat 'without blemish', have been carefully selected and prepared as a sin offering.

Your slaughter has been dedicated to the Lord.
 
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Hobe, you watch to much "DIG".
You are also selectively recognizing one form of atonement since there are many. You refuse to understand the high holiday sacrifice is done through the gathering of community to understsnd how they need each other.
THE animal is always eaten and shared and always in context of other food sharing, so stop equating it to pagan rituals.
If anything should scare you it is the specific instructions on the entrails being offered up match that with cattle mutilations missing organs thus giving those ancient alien theorists something to talk about.
 
Think for a second about the symbolism of the red heifer without blemish....
Wicked prince had red hair according to the scrolls.
Was an image of Mithra in mythology plagiarized which Mithra was symbolized by the bull.
Son of perdition would be seen as perfect and is seen as without blemish so as they did in Egypt mocking the idol sheep god, they too mock the mithraic Jesus.
 
Think for a second about the symbolism of the red heifer without blemish....
Wicked prince had red hair according to the scrolls.
Was an image of Mithra in mythology plagiarized which Mithra was symbolized by the bull.
Son of perdition would be seen as perfect and is seen as without blemish so as they did in Egypt mocking the idol sheep god, they too mock the mithraic Jesus.


The red heifer is a cow, the red symbolic of sin ( not hair) , " though your sins be as scarlet", and is burnt outside the camp and its ashes mixed with 'living water' and then sprinkled on anyone who came in contact with a corpse for the purpose of purification.

It has nothing whatever to do with a wicked prince or Mithra.

If you want to understand the deeper implications of the symbols used in description of the purification rite, "red heifer", "without blemish", "living water", "contact with a corpse", "burnt outside the camp", etc., all you have to do is ask.

You might not know this but your neck has already been cut by the sharpest of knives in the kindest way possible and your blood is being quietly soaked up by the ground.

The fire has been kindled. Soon comes the barbecue and then the poor and downtrodden will feast.

Not to worry!

The smoke from the burning fat will be a soothing and fragrant offering to the Lord.
 
Rome was the scarlet beast.
Q was used to compile it's satanic bible.
Q was written by a woman.
The Harlot with Red Hair.

Why would we ask you about the temple when the temple is not in your name it's not called Hobelimdash.
The temple doesn't reside in a city in your name, it's not called Yeruhobelim.
 
Strolling, agreed and because they interpret the word clouds literally instead of it's slang meaning
(i.e. gathering of priest) they goofed big time and chased people away from fantasy based religion.

Hobelim, you do realize where the message comes from right? World to come=future, non linear time lines.
Being where everything happened already they would know already what you and they would have yet known.
Fact: even a former president with Professor Stephan Hawking at a science symposium admited sound can be sent faster then the speed of light, and Hawkings also admitted something he denied previously as having no evidence of(time travel-that includes sound and visual messaging) All it took was reminding him of that evidence that was there all along-scripture.
Furthermore this can be proven by exact events corresponding to their dates in the scripture verses, including Description of Saddam during his capture corresponding to the date of his capture in verses regarding Nebuchadnezzar which he admitted emulating.

You don't get this because you are a stasists who doesn't remember or think how advanced we'll be in the future and what that means in the full scope of these things. But even professor Hawking made that same mistake, so don't feel stupid feel duped by Christian precepts like that of Heaven and messengers.
Even those not of the faith are borrowing their precepts of Heaven being some outer worldly pie in the sky fantasy instead of recognizing what Olam Habah means in a reality sense. Therefore you have no clue what you are arguing over, because it's been defined by a faith even you admit is Mishuganah.
 
The Agonizing Gauntlet


The Bible says that at the time of the fearful apocalypse, the archangel Michael will battle Satan, the AntiChrist, and the false prophet before unleashing Christ's wrathful judgment upon the Earth.

Our beloved modern-era American comic book avatars such as Batman (DC Comics) tackle various frightening criminally insane super-terrorists such as Joker, Brainiac, and Mr. Sinister.

Batman, for example, must contend often with both the Joker and the Joker's deranged maniacal criminal girlfriend Harley Quinn. We as a society are fascinated by engagement and conflict (and battles), so images of vigilantism or contention perhaps infer back to the Bible's strong imagery of the archangel Michael tackling the likes of Satan and the AntiChrist.

Remember the sci-fi fantasy odyssey film "E.T.: Extra-Terrestrial" (1981) in which a beloved alien who visits Earth and befriends a group of American youngsters must find a way to call his alien allies so they can come rescue him?

Everyone these days seems to be walking around with a mobile phone with a handy-dandy built-in mini-camera in it, ready to take instant snapshots of pedestrian activity and instantly upload mementos onto the globally-accessible Internet. Comic book super-villains such as Electro (Marvel Comics), a mutant who can manipulate electrical fiends to his diabolical advantage, imply that we want to apply sci-tech developments to age-old fascinations with war, terror, terrorism, and vigilantism.

Does pop culture art from this modern age of populism intrigue (i.e., Facebook) suggest that we are at liberty to imagine incomplete or partial raptures in the other direction --- one that infers that the Christian super-archangel Michael will somehow struggle in his battle with Satan and the AntiChrist?




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Army of Darkness



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But the Judaic concept of the battle is quite clear in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the battle is not physical warfare.
The battle is between light (knowledge &truth) & darkness (ignorance, lies, & folly).
This is why the sWord is out of the mouth & not the hands of the arch malakh. This is evident in Dan 10:21 that I just posted. This is why Ezekiel 28 says that imposter fallen messiah image is deemed perfect untill the iniquities are revealed. This is why Dan 12:1-4 talks of going to and fro gaining knowledge (computers).
The bible code for those verses even has the word computer in it, so it should not be confused or denied.
And what but a computer is capable of creating such complex codes and eventually progressing to being the actual tool of the method used in sending said message.
Hence my previous post and key to unlocking just about everything else.
 

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