Partial Birth Abortion Ban

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    'Partial Birth' is not the most likeable procedure. However, the issue here is legal...And, as we see in Roe v. Wade- that overturned laws that are trying to be re-enacted by banning 'partial birth.'

    Anyway, The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. No one is above it, and everyone must abide by it and it's provisions, Republicans included! :)
     
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    I couldn't agree more! Which is why I support the NRA!!! LOL Do you see now? I think I have a viable point. Hell, I think I'm the smartest person in the world!

    JEN FOR PRESIDENT :p
     
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    Actually, in the case of partial birth abortions, the bill/law DOES look out for the life of the mother:

    "This subsection does not apply to a partial -birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself."

    Did you not read it in it's entirety?

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c108:1:./temp/~c108cXbOle::
     
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    I think your point was based on the right of the mother to have that option should her life be in danger. That option is clearly accounted for, which I think defuses your point. I would like to think the "smartest person in the world" would have at least read the entire bill before passing judgement.
     
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    Where does the concept of the human soul come? Do humans believe that we have something special or does it come from some specific ideation of ancient man?

    If there is such a thing, when does this soul enter the human. Is there anything or than a personal opinion as to when this event occurs?

    If late term abortions are performed who thinks that the almost completely formed baby is actually endowed with anything other than all mammal have in utero?

    It seems that this topic is very subjective for everyone depending on their own 'religious' beliefs.
     
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    Wow... miss a weekend on the board and you have ten pages to catch up on...

    First, Janeen, I can't imagine what you went through, but I have to say that my views on the issue are based on theoretical/legal/moral arguments, not a real-life experience, so please forgive me if they seem crass or impersonal.

    Anyway, since the original thread was about PBA, not abortion in general, I still think the ban is a good thing, for the following reasons:
    The ban covers only one specific procedure.
    PBA is not used except for the 2nd/3rd trimesters, during which, according to Roe v. Wade, the state has an interest in regulating abortions.
    In many PBAs, the baby is old enough to survive outside the womb on equipment, like many premature babies.
    There is a specific exception in the ban to allow the procedure if the mother's life is endangered.

    Now I'm sure that we could debate the morality of abortion, Roe v. Wade, adoption, etc. ad nauseum, but I really just wanted to talk about the PBA ban.

    So shape up or I'll take my thread and go home!!!! :mad:

    Just kidding.:D
     
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    :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Bravo Ladies, being pro-life your bio's just reinforce my strong dislike for abortion and abortionist. My twin bro and I were adopted at birth in the late 50's. we weighed a total of 5 lbs together, is a wonder either one of us made it but we both did. after the first year or so the health problems went away and we were your almost normal lil boys.[Identical twins can be firstclass MF's trust me] I believe that if abortion were readily available back then we would be sooooo not here today!!!! My real mom already had 2 kids and the family situation wasnt the best. actually met her in the late 70's. she always wondered bout us and regreted given us up but knew it was the right thing to do. sorry got off on my bio but I was tryin to make a point.DID I?????
     
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    It may have been better if you and twin brother were soooo not here today.

    1) Abortion on demand is the law of the land (USA).
    2) The sanctity of a human soul is solely (no pun intended) derived from the Old Testament Bible.
    3) There is nothing in the New Testament Bible of Jesus Christ about Abortion. Even though abortion was a common practice all around Jesus during his life on earth.
    4) There are two places in the Old Testament Bible that authorizes the same Roe vs. Wade law in the United States.

    KJV

    But then again what does the bible have to do with what each person feels about the issue of life, the taking of a non-soul cell formation or why just not kill the doctors who perform abortion?

    I do not advocate abortion for just any whim, but who am I to question the above seeming instructions from the same book where we believe that humans have something different than monkeys, mice or slugs?



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    Hi Jon,

    Interesting points. I've had several friends who were adopted who felt exactly like you about abortion. But you can look at it another way - if you're father had not impregnated your mother you wouldn't be here either. Should we ban birth control on this ground? If your fertilized egg had been discharged from your mother's womb, as about 75% of fertilized eggs are during the first two weeks after conception, you wouldn't be here either. And if your mother had had an abortion, likewise.

    We're all glad that decisions our parents made led to our existence, but I don't think such things make a case for or against abortion.
     
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    jon, that was a really touching story! Glad you and your Brother are here today! Your real Mom made a choice, rather than to abort you, to give you life and allow someone who wanted kids raise you and let you live. Yes, if your Dad and Mom didn't have sex or whatever it is that ajws is trying to say, no, you guys never would have been conceived, yes, she could have lost your both anyway, but she chose to rather say "hey, we messed up, it's easier to just abort you both, she allowed you two to come into this world and do what she thought was RIGHT" and there are so many people wanting to adopt, however, the system does make it hard on some people, the expense, living conditions, etc...I knew someone that wanted a child so bad, she wasn't married, but she had PLENTY of money, a great career, beautiful home, but because she wasn't married, they wouldn't let you adopt - how wrong that is!!! Children deserve a home, rather than sit in a foster home, even if it is just for a Mom to raise. Think about a Mother who gives birth without the Husband, or divorce, they keep the child, so why should adoption be any different?

    For abortion, yes, I think there are some circumstances that maybe there is a reason for it - RAPE! 100% without a doubt that the Mother could die giving birth - these are the 2 only reasons today that I find it a reason, and even then, there have been woman that still went ahead with it.

    Today, too many young girls are getting pregnant because of not having the knowledge of safe sex, bringing up, the talk on sex, etc...I was in the hospital giving birth to my Daughter, I was 35 and the girl 2 rooms down was 14!!!! 14, my God you gotta be kidding me, although she did keep the baby, because of her Mom, I just find it horrible at that age to even think about it. Parents NEED to talk to their kids YOUNG because if not, this is what could happen! and it's either MORE abortions, or more kids being raised by kids or having their parents do it for them. You can't stop young girls from going out and having sex, but if you talk to your kids about it, it's possible that you can enlighten them and maybe change what COULD come out of it.
     

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