Parental Rights - The New Wedge Issue

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Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.) last week introduced a bill in the House to amend the U.S. Constitution to permanently “enshrine” in American society an inviolable set of parents’ rights. The bill had 70 co-sponsors, all Republicans, including Minority Whip Eric Cantor and Minority Leader John A. Boehner.

A United Nations human rights treaty that could prohibit children from being spanked or homeschooled, ban youngsters from facing the death penalty and forbid parents from deciding their families' religion is on America's doorstep, a legal expert warns.

"It's definitely on our doorstep," he said. "The left wants to make the Obama-Clinton era permanent. Treaties are a way to make it as permanent as stuff gets. It is very difficult to extract yourself from a treaty once you begin it. If they can put all of their left-wing socialist policies into treaty form, we're stuck with it even if they lose the next election."

The 1990s-era document was ratified quickly by 193 nations worldwide, but not the United States or Somalia. In Somalia, there was then no recognized government to do the formal recognition, and in the United States there's been opposition to its power. Countries that ratify the treaty are bound to it by international law.

Although signed by Madeleine Albright, U.S. ambassador to the U.N., on Feb. 16, 1995, the U.S. Senate never ratified the treaty, largely because of conservatives' efforts to point out it would create that list of rights which primarily would be enforced against parents.

The international treaty creates specific civil, economic, social, cultural and even economic rights for every child and states that "the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration." While the treaty states that parents or legal guardians "have primary responsibility for the upbringing and development of the child," Farris said government will ultimately determine whether parents' decisions are in their children's best interest. The treaty is monitored by the CRC, which conceivably has enforcement powers.

According to the Parental Rights website, the substance of the CRC dictates the following:

Parents would no longer be able to administer reasonable spankings to their children.
A murderer aged 17 years, 11 months and 29 days at the time of his crime could no longer be sentenced to life in prison.
Children would have the ability to choose their own religion while parents would only have the authority to give their children advice about religion.
The best interest of the child principle would give the government the ability to override every decision made by every parent if a government worker disagreed with the parent's decision.
A child's "right to be heard" would allow him (or her) to seek governmental review of every parental decision with which the child disagreed.
According to existing interpretation, it would be illegal for a nation to spend more on national defense than it does on children's welfare.
Children would acquire a legally enforceable right to leisure.
Teaching children about Christianity in schools has been held to be out of compliance with the CRC.
Allowing parents to opt their children out of sex education has been held to be out of compliance with the CRC.
Children would have the right to reproductive health information and services, including abortions, without parental knowledge or consent.

United Nations' threat: No more parental rights
 
Shouldn't this moved to the Conspiracy section?

Why? Did you click on the links? 70 republicans signed onto this issue.

This is the new wedge issue. Does it bother you that I'm telling you what your issues are before you even get prepared to discuss? I'm sure Rush will catch you up next week.

Just wait, next week you'll start hearing Rush and O'Reilly or Glen Beck "crying" about this issue and how much they love America.
 
I agree that this is a leftwing type of treaty (future legislation), but that doesn't mean that Republicans are any more in favor of freedom. They brought us the Patriot Act, wiretaps, and a basic shredding of the Fourth Amendment.


Both political parties are centered around gaining power at the expense of citizens. This fact is not up for debate.
 
A United Nations human rights treaty that could prohibit children from being spanked or homeschooled, ban youngsters from facing the death penalty and forbid parents from deciding their families' religion is on America's doorstep, a legal expert warns.

When the UN Human Rights people have managed to stop ACTUAL human rights violations such as female genital mutilation, the slaughter of gays and lesbians in Iran, and ensured that citizens in China actually have free speech, THEN I'll be worried.

Jesus. Is there any bigger toothless lion (and fake bogeyman) than the UN Human Rights Committee?
 
I agree that this is a leftwing type of treaty (future legislation), but that doesn't mean that Republicans are any more in favor of freedom. They brought us the Patriot Act, wiretaps, and a basic shredding of the Fourth Amendment.


Both political parties are centered around gaining power at the expense of citizens. This fact is not up for debate.

very true.....have the dems repealed it yet....
 
According to the Parental Rights website, the substance of the CRC dictates the following:

Parents would no longer be able to administer reasonable spankings to their children.
A murderer aged 17 years, 11 months and 29 days at the time of his crime could no longer be sentenced to life in prison.
Children would have the ability to choose their own religion while parents would only have the authority to give their children advice about religion.
The best interest of the child principle would give the government the ability to override every decision made by every parent if a government worker disagreed with the parent's decision.
A child's "right to be heard" would allow him (or her) to seek governmental review of every parental decision with which the child disagreed.
According to existing interpretation, it would be illegal for a nation to spend more on national defense than it does on children's welfare.
Children would acquire a legally enforceable right to leisure.
Teaching children about Christianity in schools has been held to be out of compliance with the CRC.
Allowing parents to opt their children out of sex education has been held to be out of compliance with the CRC.
Children would have the right to reproductive health information and services, including abortions, without parental knowledge or consent.

United Nations' threat: No more parental rights


There's no such thing as a reasonable spanking. I was abused throughout my childhood and cannot believe this barbarism is still tolerated. When an adult strikes another adult it is assault, but when they strike a child it's reasonable? get the fuck out.

Nobody should be sentenced to life in prison. We cannot afford it. I'm a big advocate for taking a look at the Japanese penal system to see what we can learn from what they're doing right.

Children already have the ability to choose their own religion. I was raised Catholic... I don't go to church anymore. OMG THE WORLD IS ENDING!!!!!!

The best interest of the child is already the primary factor in custody hearings.

Children should absolutely have the right to be heard. That doesn't mean the right to be right... sometimes kids are receiving a fair punishment, and I'd hope that would be

I'm not going to squabble over amounts of money spend on children's programs vs defense spending, but it doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.

I think everyone should have a legal right to leisure.

Teaching children about Christianity (or any other religion) in public school should be banned. Private schools may do whatever they'd like.

I find it odd that they ban teaching of morals in one case (religion) but then allow it in the case of sex ed. It's a contradiction. I will not contradict myself though, I don't believe in teaching religion and I don't believe schools should be teaching sex-ed.

Allowing children to make some of their own medical decisions is frightening, but there may be a reason why the child doesn't want to get their parents involved. Maybe the child is pregnant from rape committed by a close family member. Maybe she'd be beaten for getting pregnant. Maybe the child already knows the parents will object because on some bogus religious grounds. The measure I'm using for how good of a father I am is going to be whether or not my daughter can come to me to discuss the big decisions. We may not agree, but I will always let her know that I'm here to listen.
 
What the japanese are doing right is not letting more than a handfull of people of other nationalities into their country. I met a guy once who did 5 years for vehicular homicide in Japan some years back. He told me that as near as he could tell in order to be a Japanese prison guard the first requirement was a sadistic streak at least a half mile wide and a willingness to whack a prisoner with a truncheon whenever the mood struck him.

Funny Sealy when I was a kid there were no school shootings in spite of the fact that almost every one had ready access to a gun. There were bullies but they didn't rule the school yard and kids who lipped off to teachers or parents got their little butts spanked. Now days no one gets there butts spanked bullies rule the roost and shootings are far more common place with a lower per capita gun density than we've ever had and you think how we discipline kids fifty years ago was inferior to how its done today precisely why?
 
A United Nations human rights treaty that could prohibit children from being spanked or homeschooled, ban youngsters from facing the death penalty and forbid parents from deciding their families' religion is on America's doorstep, a legal expert warns.

When the UN Human Rights people have managed to stop ACTUAL human rights violations such as female genital mutilation, the slaughter of gays and lesbians in Iran, and ensured that citizens in China actually have free speech, THEN I'll be worried.

Jesus. Is there any bigger toothless lion (and fake bogeyman) than the UN Human Rights Committee?






Let's free women from being murdered by honor killings, and from having acid thrown in their faces.. school would be nice for women.. how's about getting the political prisioners released before we start kissing Castro's butt.
 
Shouldn't this moved to the Conspiracy section?

Why would that be?

Any chance at ALL that you're capable of providing ANYTHING APPROACHING a sound argument?

It's clear that you're a congnitive deficient... but that personal inadequacy doesn't provide you with an excuse to lower the board standard, through your very presence.

Now that means: How do you define "Conspiracy?"

HOW does the OP correlate to that definition?

Now I trust that will help you bring your personal performance up... or encourages you to shut the hell up until you're able to do so.
 
It wouldn't be the UN enforcing this by the way. It would be our very own government.

Oh, you mean the way that other governments enforce UN human rights dictates? Please. Give me a fucking break.

As stated, the UN is simply incapable of managing human behavior ANYWHERE on earth.
 
It's clear that you're a congnitive deficient... but that personal inadequacy doesn't provide you with an excuse to lower the board standard, through your very presence.

I take it that you aren't as happy to see Stekim as I am? Whassamatta, PI? Did he spank you too many times on the other board?
 
Pull your head out catz the enabling legislation wouldn't be far behind to enforce this crap. To be sure it would be buried in some otherwise irrelevant piece of legislation that most of our semi literate congress people hadn't bothered to read before they voted on it; probably on around page 295 of a 500page bill on animal rights legislation written in such a ham handed fashion that the real intent the lawyers will feed the trial lawyers lobby for the next fifteen generations while it is being hashed out.
 

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