PAPER: Global warming ended 15 years ago; 'mini-ice age' next...

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Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)

Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years

By David Rose


The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.

The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

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A painting, dated 1684, by Abraham Hondius depicts one of many frost fairs on the River Thames during the mini ice age

Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.

Solar output goes through 11-year cycles, with high numbers of sunspots seen at their peak.

We are now at what should be the peak of what scientists call ‘Cycle 24’ – which is why last week’s solar storm resulted in sightings of the aurora borealis further south than usual. But sunspot numbers are running at less than half those seen during cycle peaks in the 20th Century.

Analysis by experts at NASA and the University of Arizona – derived from magnetic-field measurements 120,000 miles beneath the sun’s surface – suggest that Cycle 25, whose peak is due in 2022, will be a great deal weaker still.


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According to a paper issued last week by the Met Office, there is a 92 per cent chance that both Cycle 25 and those taking place in the following decades will be as weak as, or weaker than, the ‘Dalton minimum’ of 1790 to 1830. In this period, named after the meteorologist John Dalton, average temperatures in parts of Europe fell by 2C.

However, it is also possible that the new solar energy slump could be as deep as the ‘Maunder minimum’ (after astronomer Edward Maunder), between 1645 and 1715 in the coldest part of the ‘Little Ice Age’ when, as well as the Thames frost fairs, the canals of Holland froze solid.

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The world average temperature from 1997 to 2012

Yet, in its paper, the Met Office claimed that the consequences now would be negligible – because the impact of the sun on climate is far less than man-made carbon dioxide. Although the sun’s output is likely to decrease until 2100, ‘This would only cause a reduction in global temperatures of 0.08C.’ Peter Stott, one of the authors, said: ‘Our findings suggest a reduction of solar activity to levels not seen in hundreds of years would be insufficient to offset the dominant influence of greenhouse gases.’

These findings are fiercely disputed by other solar experts.

‘World temperatures may end up a lot cooler than now for 50 years or more,’ said Henrik Svensmark, director of the Center for Sun-Climate Research at Denmark’s National Space Institute. ‘It will take a long battle to convince some climate scientists that the sun is important. It may well be that the sun is going to demonstrate this on its own, without the need for their help.’

He pointed out that, in claiming the effect of the solar minimum would be small, the Met Office was relying on the same computer models that are being undermined by the current pause in global-warming.

CO2 levels have continued to rise without interruption and, in 2007, the Met Office claimed that global warming was about to ‘come roaring back’. It said that between 2004 and 2014 there would be an overall increase of 0.3C. In 2009, it predicted that at least three of the years 2009 to 2014 would break the previous temperature record set in 1998.

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World solar activity cycles from 1749 to 2040

So far there is no sign of any of this happening. But yesterday a Met Office spokesman insisted its models were still valid.

‘The ten-year projection remains groundbreaking science. The period for the original projection is not over yet,’ he said.

Dr Nicola Scafetta, of Duke University in North Carolina, is the author of several papers that argue the Met Office climate models show there should have been ‘steady warming from 2000 until now’.

‘If temperatures continue to stay flat or start to cool again, the divergence between the models and recorded data will eventually become so great that the whole scientific community will question the current theories,’ he said.

He believes that as the Met Office model attaches much greater significance to CO2 than to the sun, it was bound to conclude that there would not be cooling. ‘The real issue is whether the model itself is accurate,’ Dr Scafetta said. Meanwhile, one of America’s most eminent climate experts, Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology, said she found the Met Office’s confident prediction of a ‘negligible’ impact difficult to understand.

‘The responsible thing to do would be to accept the fact that the models may have severe shortcomings when it comes to the influence of the sun,’ said Professor Curry. As for the warming pause, she said that many scientists ‘are not surprised’.

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Four hundred years of sunspot observations

She argued it is becoming evident that factors other than CO2 play an important role in rising or falling warmth, such as the 60-year water temperature cycles in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.

‘They have insufficiently been appreciated in terms of global climate,’ said Prof Curry. When both oceans were cold in the past, such as from 1940 to 1970, the climate cooled. The Pacific cycle ‘flipped’ back from warm to cold mode in 2008 and the Atlantic is also thought likely to flip in the next few years .

Pal Brekke, senior adviser at the Norwegian Space Centre, said some scientists found the importance of water cycles difficult to accept, because doing so means admitting that the oceans – not CO2 – caused much of the global warming between 1970 and 1997.

The same goes for the impact of the sun – which was highly active for much of the 20th Century.

‘Nature is about to carry out a very interesting experiment,’ he said. ‘Ten or 15 years from now, we will be able to determine much better whether the warming of the late 20th Century really was caused by man-made CO2, or by natural variability.’

Meanwhile, since the end of last year, world temperatures have fallen by more than half a degree, as the cold ‘La Nina’ effect has re-emerged in the South Pacific.

‘We’re now well into the second decade of the pause,’ said Benny Peiser, director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation. ‘If we don’t see convincing evidence of global warming by 2015, it will start to become clear whether the models are bunk. And, if they are, the implications for some scientists could be very serious.’
 
Yup, now it's 'Global Cooling.' I predicted this years ago. It's all just a Socialist/Communist Globalist scam in the end. The Global Warming nutters' 15 Minutes are now up. Time for them to go away.
 
Interesting read. Let me just double check your sources ... Oh wait. I can't. You didn't list any.

Well then I'll just double check the author's sources ... Oh wait. I can't. He didn't list any.

So ... this is faith-based Science then.
 
Its going to be 64 here in Maryland this week. We may not even get a winter.
 
Interesting read. Let me just double check your sources ... Oh wait. I can't. You didn't list any.

Well then I'll just double check the author's sources ... Oh wait. I can't. He didn't list any.

So ... this is faith-based Science then.

I forgot to post the link. Here ya go:

Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again) | Mail Online
The Right-Wing whacko Daily Mail, no wonder you were ashamed to post the link!
 
Its going to be 64 here in Maryland this week. We may not even get a winter.
At the Jersey Shore we are calling this "the winter that wasn't." Nothing is frozen, not the ground or ponds or lakes. It hit over 60 degrees this week, and they are predicting more 60 degree days next week. The January thaw had nothing to thaw. I walked the dog in my shirt sleeves the other day.
 
Interesting read. Let me just double check your sources ... Oh wait. I can't. You didn't list any.

Well then I'll just double check the author's sources ... Oh wait. I can't. He didn't list any.

So ... this is faith-based Science then.

As opposed to the Liberal Science of Exaggerating threats, and over stating Trends to secure Further Funding.
 
Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)

Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years

By David Rose


The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.

The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

article-2093264-117F2046000005DC-981_468x286.jpg

A painting, dated 1684, by Abraham Hondius depicts one of many frost fairs on the River Thames during the mini ice age

Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.

Solar output goes through 11-year cycles, with high numbers of sunspots seen at their peak.

We are now at what should be the peak of what scientists call ‘Cycle 24’ – which is why last week’s solar storm resulted in sightings of the aurora borealis further south than usual. But sunspot numbers are running at less than half those seen during cycle peaks in the 20th Century.

Analysis by experts at NASA and the University of Arizona – derived from magnetic-field measurements 120,000 miles beneath the sun’s surface – suggest that Cycle 25, whose peak is due in 2022, will be a great deal weaker still.


More...

Hotter summers 'may kill 5,900 every year', warns first national risk assessment of climate change
Winter bites back: Britain braced for first cold snap of year as ice and snow transform countryside in scenes of breathtaking beauty

According to a paper issued last week by the Met Office, there is a 92 per cent chance that both Cycle 25 and those taking place in the following decades will be as weak as, or weaker than, the ‘Dalton minimum’ of 1790 to 1830. In this period, named after the meteorologist John Dalton, average temperatures in parts of Europe fell by 2C.

However, it is also possible that the new solar energy slump could be as deep as the ‘Maunder minimum’ (after astronomer Edward Maunder), between 1645 and 1715 in the coldest part of the ‘Little Ice Age’ when, as well as the Thames frost fairs, the canals of Holland froze solid.

article-2093264-1180A4F1000005DC-28_468x286.jpg

The world average temperature from 1997 to 2012

Yet, in its paper, the Met Office claimed that the consequences now would be negligible – because the impact of the sun on climate is far less than man-made carbon dioxide. Although the sun’s output is likely to decrease until 2100, ‘This would only cause a reduction in global temperatures of 0.08C.’ Peter Stott, one of the authors, said: ‘Our findings suggest a reduction of solar activity to levels not seen in hundreds of years would be insufficient to offset the dominant influence of greenhouse gases.’

These findings are fiercely disputed by other solar experts.

‘World temperatures may end up a lot cooler than now for 50 years or more,’ said Henrik Svensmark, director of the Center for Sun-Climate Research at Denmark’s National Space Institute. ‘It will take a long battle to convince some climate scientists that the sun is important. It may well be that the sun is going to demonstrate this on its own, without the need for their help.’

He pointed out that, in claiming the effect of the solar minimum would be small, the Met Office was relying on the same computer models that are being undermined by the current pause in global-warming.

CO2 levels have continued to rise without interruption and, in 2007, the Met Office claimed that global warming was about to ‘come roaring back’. It said that between 2004 and 2014 there would be an overall increase of 0.3C. In 2009, it predicted that at least three of the years 2009 to 2014 would break the previous temperature record set in 1998.

article-2093264-1180A549000005DC-715_468x290.jpg

World solar activity cycles from 1749 to 2040

So far there is no sign of any of this happening. But yesterday a Met Office spokesman insisted its models were still valid.

‘The ten-year projection remains groundbreaking science. The period for the original projection is not over yet,’ he said.

Dr Nicola Scafetta, of Duke University in North Carolina, is the author of several papers that argue the Met Office climate models show there should have been ‘steady warming from 2000 until now’.

‘If temperatures continue to stay flat or start to cool again, the divergence between the models and recorded data will eventually become so great that the whole scientific community will question the current theories,’ he said.

He believes that as the Met Office model attaches much greater significance to CO2 than to the sun, it was bound to conclude that there would not be cooling. ‘The real issue is whether the model itself is accurate,’ Dr Scafetta said. Meanwhile, one of America’s most eminent climate experts, Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology, said she found the Met Office’s confident prediction of a ‘negligible’ impact difficult to understand.

‘The responsible thing to do would be to accept the fact that the models may have severe shortcomings when it comes to the influence of the sun,’ said Professor Curry. As for the warming pause, she said that many scientists ‘are not surprised’.

article-2093264-1180A572000005DC-276_468x290.jpg

Four hundred years of sunspot observations

She argued it is becoming evident that factors other than CO2 play an important role in rising or falling warmth, such as the 60-year water temperature cycles in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.

‘They have insufficiently been appreciated in terms of global climate,’ said Prof Curry. When both oceans were cold in the past, such as from 1940 to 1970, the climate cooled. The Pacific cycle ‘flipped’ back from warm to cold mode in 2008 and the Atlantic is also thought likely to flip in the next few years .

Pal Brekke, senior adviser at the Norwegian Space Centre, said some scientists found the importance of water cycles difficult to accept, because doing so means admitting that the oceans – not CO2 – caused much of the global warming between 1970 and 1997.

The same goes for the impact of the sun – which was highly active for much of the 20th Century.

‘Nature is about to carry out a very interesting experiment,’ he said. ‘Ten or 15 years from now, we will be able to determine much better whether the warming of the late 20th Century really was caused by man-made CO2, or by natural variability.’

Meanwhile, since the end of last year, world temperatures have fallen by more than half a degree, as the cold ‘La Nina’ effect has re-emerged in the South Pacific.

‘We’re now well into the second decade of the pause,’ said Benny Peiser, director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation. ‘If we don’t see convincing evidence of global warming by 2015, it will start to become clear whether the models are bunk. And, if they are, the implications for some scientists could be very serious.’
Nature is teaching man a lesson in humility...and man isn't as smart as he thinks he is.
 
Its going to be 64 here in Maryland this week. We may not even get a winter.
At the Jersey Shore we are calling this "the winter that wasn't." Nothing is frozen, not the ground or ponds or lakes. It hit over 60 degrees this week, and they are predicting more 60 degree days next week. The January thaw had nothing to thaw. I walked the dog in my shirt sleeves the other day.

I am sure it has nothing to do with the Solar Peak we have known we are approaching for Years now. Our Local Weather Guys say next year will be even more Moderate than this year here in Michigan, and then the Trend will start back down from this peak back to the Harsh winters of 15 Years ago. I have lived in Northern Michigan long enough to know that a Very Mild winter like this one, is not unpredictable at all, In fact it's a predictable cycle.
 
Have any of the people trumpeting this article as evidence of global cooling read it? It reads in part:

Yet, in its paper, the Met Office claimed that the consequences now would be negligible – because the impact of the sun on climate is far less than man-made carbon dioxide. Although the sun’s output is likely to decrease until 2100, ‘This would only cause a reduction in global temperatures of 0.08C.’ Peter Stott, one of the authors, said: ‘Our findings suggest a reduction of solar activity to levels not seen in hundreds of years would be insufficient to offset the dominant influence of greenhouse gases.’


In other words, the effect described in the article does not have a significant likelihood of dominating climate change. In order to provide balance and/or to justify their alarmist headline, the Daily Mail has quoted other scientists who feel differently. One of these scientists, who apparently couldn't point to any studies justifying his point of view, pointed out that models aren't perfect so there is a nonzero chance that there will be a sudden global cooling. I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
Its going to be 64 here in Maryland this week. We may not even get a winter.
At the Jersey Shore we are calling this "the winter that wasn't." Nothing is frozen, not the ground or ponds or lakes. It hit over 60 degrees this week, and they are predicting more 60 degree days next week. The January thaw had nothing to thaw. I walked the dog in my shirt sleeves the other day.

I am sure it has nothing to do with the Solar Peak we have known we are approaching for Years now. Our Local Weather Guys say next year will be even more Moderate than this year here in Michigan, and then the Trend will start back down from this peak back to the Harsh winters of 15 Years ago. I have lived in Northern Michigan long enough to know that a Very Mild winter like this one, is not unpredictable at all, In fact it's a predictable cycle.

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Its going to be 64 here in Maryland this week. We may not even get a winter.
At the Jersey Shore we are calling this "the winter that wasn't." Nothing is frozen, not the ground or ponds or lakes. It hit over 60 degrees this week, and they are predicting more 60 degree days next week. The January thaw had nothing to thaw. I walked the dog in my shirt sleeves the other day.

I am sure it has nothing to do with the Solar Peak we have known we are approaching for Years now. Our Local Weather Guys say next year will be even more Moderate than this year here in Michigan, and then the Trend will start back down from this peak back to the Harsh winters of 15 Years ago. I have lived in Northern Michigan long enough to know that a Very Mild winter like this one, is not unpredictable at all, In fact it's a predictable cycle.
Except the OP says we are at a solar minimum!!!! You deniers need to get your bullshit coordinated!!! :rofl::lmao:

Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.
 
Have any of the people trumpeting this article as evidence of global cooling read it? It reads in part:

Yet, in its paper, the Met Office claimed that the consequences now would be negligible – because the impact of the sun on climate is far less than man-made carbon dioxide. Although the sun’s output is likely to decrease until 2100, ‘This would only cause a reduction in global temperatures of 0.08C.’ Peter Stott, one of the authors, said: ‘Our findings suggest a reduction of solar activity to levels not seen in hundreds of years would be insufficient to offset the dominant influence of greenhouse gases.’


In other words, the effect described in the article does not have a significant likelihood of dominating climate change. In order to provide balance and/or to justify their alarmist headline, the Daily Mail has quoted other scientists who feel differently. One of these scientists, who apparently couldn't point to any studies justifying his point of view, pointed out that models aren't perfect so there is a nonzero chance that there will be a sudden global cooling. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Quoting all of this because it's spot on.

I don't think Bripat read the article.
 
Forget that shit. I'm for anything that doesn't put carciogenic material into the atmosphere. Putting shit from coal and from the tail pipes of cars into the air we breathe is a dumb arse idea....in any language...
 
Have any of the people trumpeting this article as evidence of global cooling read it? It reads in part:

Yet, in its paper, the Met Office claimed that the consequences now would be negligible – because the impact of the sun on climate is far less than man-made carbon dioxide. Although the sun’s output is likely to decrease until 2100, ‘This would only cause a reduction in global temperatures of 0.08C.’ Peter Stott, one of the authors, said: ‘Our findings suggest a reduction of solar activity to levels not seen in hundreds of years would be insufficient to offset the dominant influence of greenhouse gases.’


In other words, the effect described in the article does not have a significant likelihood of dominating climate change. In order to provide balance and/or to justify their alarmist headline, the Daily Mail has quoted other scientists who feel differently. One of these scientists, who apparently couldn't point to any studies justifying his point of view, pointed out that models aren't perfect so there is a nonzero chance that there will be a sudden global cooling. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Quoting all of this because it's spot on.

I don't think Bripat read the article.


That's called "presenting both sides of the issues" - something a warmist propaganda rag like the Gaurdian or the New York Times would never do.
 
Forget that shit. I'm for anything that doesn't put carciogenic material into the atmosphere. Putting shit from coal and from the tail pipes of cars into the air we breathe is a dumb arse idea....in any language...

That is, unless you want to go somewhere father than a mile away, or you want to have light in your house and don't want your food to spoil. Then there are hospital emergency rooms where people will die if they don't have electricity. Without modern refrigeration, we couldn't feed 1/4 of the population of this country, so the rest of us would just starve. Not to mention the diesel used used to run farm machinery. Then there are the fertilizer plants which consume huge amounts of energy and increase the productivity of the soil by orders of magnitude. Aside from those trivialities, and a few thousand others, you would have to be stupid to want to use internal combustion engines or electricity.

Furthermore, no one ever claimed that emissions from cars and coal fired power plants are carcinogens.
 

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