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I can smell panic. The anti-Obama posts are increasing in number and in hysterical claims.

I can also smell fear. It's palpable. McCain has faltered, doddered and is now even thinking of running for one term only. He's beaten and he knows it.

The message to the RNC will be "Please nominate me, I'll only run for one term, I promise!". The message to the electorate wil be, "Please vote for me, I'll only run for one term, I promise!"

Obama only has to stay upright to win. It's all over before it even started.
 
I can smell panic. The anti-Obama posts are increasing in number and in hysterical claims.

I can also smell fear. It's palpable. McCain has faltered, doddered and is now even thinking of running for one term only. He's beaten and he knows it.

The message to the RNC will be "Please nominate me, I'll only run for one term, I promise!". The message to the electorate wil be, "Please vote for me, I'll only run for one term, I promise!"

Obama only has to stay upright to win. It's all over before it even started.

HEY--republicans cheat---McCain still has a good shot at it !:lol:
 
I can smell panic. The anti-Obama posts are increasing in number and in hysterical claims.

I can also smell fear. It's palpable. McCain has faltered, doddered and is now even thinking of running for one term only. He's beaten and he knows it.

The message to the RNC will be "Please nominate me, I'll only run for one term, I promise!". The message to the electorate wil be, "Please vote for me, I'll only run for one term, I promise!"

Obama only has to stay upright to win. It's all over before it even started.

anyone with a brain knows john mccain can't win, but barack hussein obama can lose.
 
I can smell panic. The anti-Obama posts are increasing in number and in hysterical claims.

I can also smell fear. It's palpable. McCain has faltered, doddered and is now even thinking of running for one term only. He's beaten and he knows it.

The message to the RNC will be "Please nominate me, I'll only run for one term, I promise!". The message to the electorate wil be, "Please vote for me, I'll only run for one term, I promise!"

Obama only has to stay upright to win. It's all over before it even started.

Nah... panic suggests there was ever a hope for McCain to begin with. I'd call it depressed resignation.
 
The next 4 years are going to be the wildest ride in the history of the US regardless of who wins. And, whoever wins, they'll be relegated to one term. Divisivness, gridlock is bringing this country to it's knees and will become worse. That's just domestic not to mention Russia now has its eyes on restoration of its former cubs, a land grab in Israel that Olmert is ready to cede but with much consternation from its citizenry, and the puzzle that is the Byzantine empire siding with the USSR of old. And finally, energy, take one look at what China and Russia are doing in their relentless effort of crude acquisitions.
 
I can smell panic. The anti-Obama posts are increasing in number and in hysterical claims.

I can also smell fear. It's palpable. McCain has faltered, doddered and is now even thinking of running for one term only. He's beaten and he knows it.

The message to the RNC will be "Please nominate me, I'll only run for one term, I promise!". The message to the electorate wil be, "Please vote for me, I'll only run for one term, I promise!"

Obama only has to stay upright to win. It's all over before it even started.

I agree to a certain extent about the anti-Obama croud being in a panic. I get the impression it might have something to do with fear of the unknown. What surprises me is what lengths some of them go to smear Obamas character. A lot of them can tell you what flaws Obama has but seldom can they make a compelling arguement based on facts why McCain is better. It's difficult to have an adult conversation about Obama because of all the schoolyard banter.

The Neo-Con fringe of the Republican party are really freaking out, and after seeing what they did to this country I take a certain amout of pleasure setting back listening to them complain and trip over themselves trying to convince rational thinking voters that the world is coming to an end because they are being dethroned.

Democrats have a very good chance this election and if Obama can rally their base to support Obama I think Bush will have to hand over the keys to the kingdom in Novermber to the Democrats.
 
The next 4 years are going to be the wildest ride in the history of the US regardless of who wins. And, whoever wins, they'll be relegated to one term. Divisivness, gridlock is bringing this country to it's knees and will become worse. That's just domestic not to mention Russia now has its eyes on restoration of its former cubs, a land grab in Israel that Olmert is ready to cede but with much consternation from its citizenry, and the puzzle that is the Byzantine empire siding with the USSR of old. And finally, energy, take one look at what China and Russia are doing in their relentless effort of crude acquisitions.

Yeah, I think you got that.

One term?

Yeah, that is a distinct possibility, too.

Those opposed to O have an enormous amount of power financially, and they might very well do their best to punish America for voting him into office.

Plus, O seems to have fewer chips to play with when he sits down at the table than any POTUS in my lifetime.

Add to that, the game is so much harder than it ever was in my lifetime, too.

Our economy is in tatters, our citizen population aging, we're overwhelmed by illegal aliens, we're on the wrong side of the trade balance equasion, and our standing in the world is at an all time low.

Worse, much worse, we, as a people, seem to lack a unified will.

Not only lacking a will regarding basic policies, but about the fundamentals of what America is, and what it should become, too.

And that last problem is, I think, at the root cause of all the aformentioned problems currently facing us.

I think that at the top, at the very top, in places where we average citizens never go, and probably don't even know exist, there is a tremendous battle going on for the heart and soul of this nation.

And I don't think the lines are really drawn at the lib v con, or D v R demarcations, either.

I really think it's deeper than that.

I really think it's a battle of nationalism V internationalism, or more honestly put: governance by government v control by corporatism.

As some of us can probably see, the nationalists aren't really doing all that well.

Well, I won't be around to see if that scif-fi libertopian neo-feudalist corporate society thing works out for my son and his sons.

I'm not entirely convinced that once the dust settles that that world will necessarily be worse than the one we've had.

But I am reasonable certain that the transition is going to be a tad rough on most people.

Drastic shifts in the way mankind organizes itself usually are.
 
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We'll see I suppose. I disagree though. I think its the opposite way around. The liberals are hysterical. Obama should be walking away with this, but he isn't.

I guess we will see events determining what happens with the election. It's far from over.
 
I can smell panic. The anti-Obama posts are increasing in number and in hysterical claims.

I can also smell fear. It's palpable. McCain has faltered, doddered and is now even thinking of running for one term only. He's beaten and he knows it.

The message to the RNC will be "Please nominate me, I'll only run for one term, I promise!". The message to the electorate wil be, "Please vote for me, I'll only run for one term, I promise!"

Obama only has to stay upright to win. It's all over before it even started.

As are pro obama posts. I seem to remember a time when democrats thought that it was being almost patriotic to criticize someone when you disagreed with them. Now conservatives are supposed to just blindly accept all the claims regarding Obama's presidential skills. And no---I'm not talking about how they compare to Bush or McCains. I see no panic. Just a realization that our next president will not be as good as what they had hoped for.
 
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I can smell panic. The anti-Obama posts are increasing in number and in hysterical claims.

I can also smell fear. It's palpable. McCain has faltered, doddered and is now even thinking of running for one term only. He's beaten and he knows it.

The message to the RNC will be "Please nominate me, I'll only run for one term, I promise!". The message to the electorate wil be, "Please vote for me, I'll only run for one term, I promise!"

Obama only has to stay upright to win. It's all over before it even started.

False bravado doesn't win elections, nor even make the claims so. It's just ramping up the panic.

WHO exactly is worried?:lol:
 
Yeah, I think you got that.

One term?

Yeah, that is a distinct possibility, too.

Those opposed to O have an enormous amount of power financially, and they might very well do their best to punish America for voting him into office.

Plus, O seems to have fewer chips to play with when he sits down at the table than any POTUS in my lifetime.

Add to that, the game is so much harder than it ever was in my lifetime, too.

Our economy is in tatters, our citizen population aging, we're overwhelmed by illegal aliens, we're on the wrong side of the trade balance equasion, and our standing in the world is at an all time low.

Worse, much worse, we, as a people, seem to lack a unified will.

Not only lacking a will regarding basic policies, but about the fundamentals of what America is, and what it should become, too.

And that last problem is, I think, at the root cause of all the aformentioned problems currently facing us.

I think that at the top, at the very top, in places where we average citizens never go, and probably don't even know exist, there is a tremendous battle going on for the heart and soul of this nation.

And I don't think the lines are really drawn at the lib v con, or D v R demarcations, either.

I really think it's deeper than that.

I really think it's a battle of nationalism V internationalism, or more honestly put: governance by government v control by corporatism.

As some of us can probably see, the nationalists aren't really doing all that well.

Well, I won't be around to see if that scif-fi libertopian neo-feudalist corporate society thing works out for my son and his sons.

I'm not entirely convinced that once the dust settles that that world will necessarily be worse than the one we've had.

But I am reasonable certain that the transition is going to be a tad rough on most people.

Drastic shifts in the way mankind organizes itself usually are.



You always make so much sense! I am scared for my daughter's future, but what parent hasn't been.


Now~

At first, I was on the Obama Train 100%. Now, I wish the Dems had someone with more experience running, because I feel the party is dividing for that very reason. I've voted Republican, Libertarian, and Democrat in the elections for President since I was 18. So I'm not just a straight party line ticket kind of gal. But I think it will be VERY telling who Obama picks as his VP, hopefully it will be someone with a lot of political savvy.

Or maybe Ron Paul?!
 
You always make so much sense! I am scared for my daughter's future, but what parent hasn't been.


Now~

At first, I was on the Obama Train 100%. Now, I wish the Dems had someone with more experience running, because I feel the party is dividing for that very reason. I've voted Republican, Libertarian, and Democrat in the elections for President since I was 18. So I'm not just a straight party line ticket kind of gal. But I think it will be VERY telling who Obama picks as his VP, hopefully it will be someone with a lot of political savvy.

Or maybe Ron Paul?!

My kids were born in the less worrisome 80's, yet I feared and fear for their future, what parent doesn't?

I doubt you are alone in being concerned about Obama's experience, the past week coupled with his appearance at the end of July should give many pause. I've been thinking about this, I dismissed Obama's 'gaffes' as I do McCain's, it's grueling to campaign for the presidency. People get tired, they're disorientated about where they are, moving from city to city, state to state; I bet it's easy to think there are over 500 states! (j/k)

But upon reflection some 'gaffes' are not gaffes at all.
Here is another Obama 'gaffe', though I think that is the wrong label, rather he either missed who did what or his doesn't understand important issues in history. Putting his 'world tour' in context of the past week, well I'd hope that even the pro-Obama folks would raise issues with the candidate; it wasn't "the world that saved Berlin, it was the US Air Force and its CIC:

The Boston Globe
JEFF JACOBY
Missing from that Berlin speech

By Jeff Jacoby | July 27, 2008

BARACK OBAMA had ample reason to recall the Berlin Airlift of 1948 during his dramatic speech in the German capital last week. The airlift was an early and critical success for the West in the Cold War, with clear relevance to our own time, the war in Iraq, and the free world's conflict with radical Islam. But having reached back 60 years to that pivotal hour of American leadership, Obama proceeded to draw from it exactly the wrong lessons.

The Soviet Union had blockaded western Berlin on June 24, 1948, choking off access to the city by land and water and threatening 2.5 million people with starvation. Moscow was determined to force the United States and its allies out of Berlin. To capitulate to Soviet pressure, as Obama rightly noted, "would have allowed Communism to march across Europe." Yet many in the West advocated retreat, fearing that the only way to keep the city open was to use the atomic bomb - and launch World War III....

...But not once in his Berlin speech did Obama acknowledge Truman's fortitude, or even mention his name. Nor did he mention the US Air Force, or the 31 American pilots who died during the airlift.

Indeed, Obama seemed to go out of his way not to say plainly that what saved Berlin in that dark time was America's military might. Save for a solitary reference to "the first American plane," he never described one of the greatest American operations of the postwar period as an American operation at all. He spoke only of "the airlift," "the planes," "those pilots." Perhaps their American identity wasn't something he cared to stress amid all his "people of the world" salutations and talk of "global citizenship."

"People of the world," Obama declaimed, "look at Berlin, where a wall came down, a continent came together, and history proved that there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one." But the world didn't stand as one during the Cold War; it was riven by an Iron Curtain. For more than four decades, America and the West confronted an implacable enemy on the other side of that divide. What finally defeated that enemy and ended the Cold War was not harmony and goodwill, but American strength and resolve.

Obama's speech was a paean to international cooperation. "Now is the time to join together," he said. "It was this spirit that led airlift planes to appear in the sky above our heads." No - it was a Democratic president named Truman, who had the audacity to order an airlift when others counseled retreat, and the grit to see it through when others were ready to withdraw.

Sixty years later, it is a very different kind of Democrat who is running for president. Obama may have wowed 'em in Berlin, but he's no Harry Truman.
 
My kids were born in the less worrisome 80's, yet I feared and fear for their future, what parent doesn't?

I doubt you are alone in being concerned about Obama's experience, the past week coupled with his appearance at the end of July should give many pause. I've been thinking about this, I dismissed Obama's 'gaffes' as I do McCain's, it's grueling to campaign for the presidency. People get tired, they're disorientated about where they are, moving from city to city, state to state; I bet it's easy to think there are over 500 states! (j/k)

But upon reflection some 'gaffes' are not gaffes at all.
Here is another Obama 'gaffe', though I think that is the wrong label, rather he either missed who did what or his doesn't understand important issues in history. Putting his 'world tour' in context of the past week, well I'd hope that even the pro-Obama folks would raise issues with the candidate; it wasn't "the world that saved Berlin, it was the US Air Force and its CIC:

Do you think being Rah Rah America while he's in Europe is the best diplomatic position for our future president to take?
 
Do you think being Rah Rah America while he's in Europe is the best diplomatic position for our future president to take?

Do you think rewriting history to reflect one's philosophy is? Not only was the DOD & CIA concerned about facing down the Soviets, so were our staunch "NATO" allies, most of which are doing the same today.

Did the Air Force bomb the Soviets? No. Did Truman send in the Marines? No. Just gave the people what they needed, food and candy. ;)
 
Do you think rewriting history to reflect one's philosophy is? Not only was the DOD & CIA concerned about facing down the Soviets, so were our staunch "NATO" allies, most of which are doing the same today.

Did the Air Force bomb the Soviets? No. Did Truman send in the Marines? No. Just gave the people what they needed, food and candy. ;)

I didn't think you would understand what I was saying.
 
The anti-Obama camp has been in panic mode for quite some time now. Several months ago, when Obama appeared to be leading the Democratic primaries, FOX News ran stories about Obama [supposedly] being an Islamic terrorist and his wife a Black Panther-like radical. A little less radical than FOX, there have been countless subtle PR campaigns against Obama, from labeling him a "socialist" (thus attempting to scare Americans away from giving his proposals any consideration) to McCain alluding to Obama's failed policies [without much detail on that]. The PR war is on, and I wouldn't be surprised if PR firms hired by the McCain campaign or by conservative organizations are waiting to drop some sort of bomb on the American public days before Election Day. Which is why I find it hard to predict who will win, and I do very much see the possibility of a McCain presidency.

If Obama does manage to win, I think that there will be strong similarities with the Clinton era. I'm not just referring to the ongoing smear campaign against the president by Republicans and conservative organizations, but I'm also talking about foreign policy. Let's remember that the United States is run by higher interests, and not by true democracy or citizens' groups, or any of that folklore. Corporate interests dictate policy in the United States -both foreign and domestic policy- through pressure from lobby groups and indirect campaign contributions. There is also a high degree of crossing over between government (Congress, White House, Pentagon, CIA, NSA, etc) and industry (oil, arms trade, etc). One well known example is Cheney's associations with Halliburton, although this is not even the tip of the iceberg on the extent to which government and corporate interests (and mass media) are intertwined.

While Bill Clinton never launched large-scale war on false pretenses, as did George W. Bush in Iraq, the Clinton administration did practice its fair share of geopolitical land-grab through foreign policy, such as the invasion of Haiti and periodic bombing of Iraq (both of which received very little coverage in the US media), and the 1999 bombing of Serbia which followed Milosevic's refusal to sign the Rambouillet Accord (Milosevic's reason for not signing the agreement was not mentioned during the the US media's coverage of the war.) In fact, the United States has covertly asserted its geopolitical interests during every post-WWII presidency. During the Eisenhower adminsitration, Washington got involved in a coup to remove democratically-elected Prime Minister Mossadegh of Iran from power in 1953. The Johnson administration armed, funded, and trained right-wing death squads in Guatemala who disappeared and executed tens of thousands of people. Even the Carter administration covertly sent aid to the Islamist mujahedeen forces months before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The list goes on.

The Clinton administration, not much different from its predecessors, continued Washington's geopolitical foreign policy through covert means, and I'm afraid of a possible Obama presidency doing the same. It would probably closely mirror the Clinton administration's approach to geopolitical chess, which was much more covert and smaller scale than that of the George W Bush era. Using 1990s terms like "human rights" and "ethnic cleansing", or post-9/11 "terrorism", or the classic argument for "democracy", or whatever new buzzword emerges during an Obama era, as a way of masking Washington's true intentions behind a foreign policy venture. New global hotspots are emerging, such as Georgia where there is a pipeline bypassing enemy territory (Russia, Iran) to bring Central Asian and Caspian oil to the United States. Obama may end up getting involved in this and other regions in defense of "American interests in the region".

Unfortunately, I don't expect an Obama presidency to be much different. Well-intended domestic policies will be attacked on all sides by special interests, and the Obama administration will, like its predecessors, continue Washington's foreign policy of geopolitical wars while the American public remains largely oblivious to the blood that is being spilled so they can have access to cheap gas, especially now with growing competition from China and India for energy resources.
 
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I agree to a certain extent about the anti-Obama croud being in a panic. I get the impression it might have something to do with fear of the unknown. What surprises me is what lengths some of them go to smear Obamas character. A lot of them can tell you what flaws Obama has but seldom can they make a compelling arguement based on facts why McCain is better. It's difficult to have an adult conversation about Obama because of all the schoolyard banter.

The Neo-Con fringe of the Republican party are really freaking out, and after seeing what they did to this country I take a certain amout of pleasure setting back listening to them complain and trip over themselves trying to convince rational thinking voters that the world is coming to an end because they are being dethroned.

Democrats have a very good chance this election and if Obama can rally their base to support Obama I think Bush will have to hand over the keys to the kingdom in Novermber to the Democrats.

I agree pretty much with this. Although, I'm not convinced it will be an Obama blow out. I suspect the GOP in congress will suffer significant losses. And republicans have only themselves to blame, for electing a complete moron twice in a row, and starting a war we didn't need to fight.

Its pretty rare in political forums that I run across a republican who will actually admit they are voting for McCain. I think they hate him, or are embarassed of him.

They've actually become like cranky old people. They don't know why they're voting for McCain, other than to show up the young whipper snappers -- to poke a stick in the eye of liberal message board posters, as it were.
 
I agree pretty much with this. Although, I'm not convinced it will be an Obama blow out. I suspect the GOP in congress will suffer significant losses. And republicans have only themselves to blame, for electing a complete moron twice in a row, and starting a war we didn't need to fight.

Its pretty rare in political forums that I run across a republican who will actually admit they are voting for McCain. I think they hate him, or are embarassed of him.

They've actually become like cranky old people. They don't know why they're voting for McCain, other than to show up the young whipper snappers -- to poke a stick in the eye of liberal message board posters, as it were.

Sorta like the cranky young people who's mantra was "anyone but Bush" ?
 

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