Palin Takes On Healthcare

No it isn't, that is just stupid. It won't increase the cost of health care one iotta. The same care will be delivered it just won't be financed by the whole population.

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I have yet to see direct government involvement decrease cost and raise efficiency.

You seem to think this time, when impacting 1/5 of the American economy - it will be different.

Why?

I didn't say it would increase efficiency, I just said that the cost of actual health care isn't negatively effected by the health bills now under consideration.

However there is clearly a LOT of room to improve medical cost efficacy as we pay at least 46% more for health care than anybody else on earth.

The present private system is powerless to drive down health care costs. The results speak for themselves. (70% increase in health care costs over a decade)

A number of alternative organizational structures could in fact cut our health care costs/patient in half. As evidenced by what the rest of the world pays.

But we already have a fully inefficient government run system which isn't capitalizing on but one mechanism to reduce health care costs and it is still far more efficient than private health insurance. And it covers almost everybody over 65.

So unless you wanna abolish Medicare, your position contradicts itself.



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So what we have here are more claims denied - and a higher per patient cost with Medicare vs Private Insurance. The government has no incentive to provide lower cost better service alternatives.

Next...



http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2009/07/busting_medicares_low_administ.php
 
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Nothing Sinatra has offered mitigates the woeful state of health care cost in America.
 
Nothing Sinatra has offered mitigates the woeful state of health care cost in America.

That was not the intent - the intent is to show clearly that a government take over is not the solution.

Presently there is no actual free market system via healthcare insurance. Allow full and free access nationally for healthcare, create more high deductible plans with low premiums, take on tort reform - these and other measures will do far more to improve both cost and overall effectiveness of the health care system without harming the motivating factors that allow Americans to enjoy the very best care in the world...
 
I didn't say it would increase efficiency, I just said that the cost of actual health care isn't negatively effected by the health bills now under consideration.

However there is clearly a LOT of room to improve medical cost efficacy as we pay at least 46% more for health care than anybody else on earth.

The present private system is powerless to drive down health care costs. The results speak for themselves. (70% increase in health care costs over a decade)

A number of alternative organizational structures could in fact cut our health care costs/patient in half. As evidenced by what the rest of the world pays.

But we already have a fully inefficient government run system which isn't capitalizing on but one mechanism to reduce health care costs and it is still far more efficient than private health insurance. And it covers almost everybody over 65.

So unless you wanna abolish Medicare, your position contradicts itself.



DenialsByInsurer2008.jpg



admincosts1.gif



So what we have here are more claims denied - and a higher per patient cost with Medicare vs Private Insurance. The government has no incentive to provide lower cost better service alternatives.

Next...



Busting Medicare's "Low Administrative Cost" Myth - Right Wing News (Conservative News and Views)

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But why is Sara Palin even qualified to talk about healthcare, could it be that she can see a hospital from her house?

Wow........ did you think that one up all by yourself or are you stupid enough to have seen Tina Fey do that weak ass shit on SNL and actually believe that Sarah Palin had said it? If you a dimwit leftist the answer is no doubt Tina Fey. You probably believe the weekend update on SNL is real news too.
 
But why is Sara Palin even qualified to talk about healthcare, could it be that she can see a hospital from her house?

Wow........ did you think that one up all by yourself or are you stupid enough to have seen Tina Fey do that weak ass shit on SNL and actually believe that Sarah Palin had said it? If you a dimwit leftist the answer is no doubt Tina Fey. You probably believe the weekend update on SNL is real news too.

Don't waste too much time on such as those who rehash the "Palin is dumb" mantra. These are the same ilk who so quickly excuse the many idiotic examples given by Obama and Biden.

Their opinion means little...
 
Good Intentions Aren't Enough with Health Care Reform


Now that the Senate Finance Committee has approved its health care bill, it’s a good time to step back and take a look at the long term consequences should its provisions be enacted into law.

The bill prohibits insurance companies from refusing coverage to people with pre-existing conditions and from charging sick people higher premiums. [1] It attempts to offset the costs this will impose on insurance companies by requiring everyone to purchase coverage, which in theory would expand the pool of paying policy holders.

However, the maximum fine for those who refuse to purchase health insurance is $750. [2] Even factoring in government subsidies, the cost of purchasing a plan is much more than $750. The result: many people, especially the young and healthy, will simply not buy coverage, choosing to pay the fine instead. They’ll wait until they’re sick to buy health insurance, confident in the knowledge that insurance companies can’t deny them coverage. Such a scenario is a perfect storm for increasing the cost of health care and creating an unsustainable mandate program.

Those driving this plan no doubt have good intentions, but good intentions aren’t enough. There were good intentions behind the drive to increase home ownership for lower-income Americans, but forcing financial institutions to give loans to people who couldn’t afford them had terrible unintended consequences. We all felt those consequences during the financial collapse last year. Unintended consequences always result from top-down big government plans like the current health care proposals, and we can’t afford to ignore that fact again.

Supposedly the Senate Finance bill will be paid for by cutting Medicare by nearly half a trillion dollars and by taxing the so-called “Cadillac” health care plans enjoyed by many union members. The plan will also impose heavy taxes on insurers, pharmaceutical companies, medical device companies, and clinical labs. [3] The result of all of these taxes is clear. As Douglas Holtz-Eakin noted in the Wall Street Journal, these new taxes “will be passed on to consumers by either directly raising insurance premiums, or by fueling higher health-care costs that inevitably lead to higher premiums.” [4] Unfortunately, it will lead to lower wages too, as employees will have to sacrifice a greater percentage of their paychecks to cover these higher premiums. [5] In other words, if the Democrats succeed in overhauling health care, we’ll all bear the costs. The Senate Finance bill is effectively a middle class tax increase, and as Holtz-Eakin points out, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation those making less than $200,000 will be hit hardest. [6]

With our country’s debt and deficits growing at an alarming rate, many of us can’t help but wonder how we can afford a new trillion dollar entitlement program. The president has promised that he won’t sign a health care bill if it “adds even one dime to our deficit over the next decade.” [7] But his administration also promised that his nearly trillion dollar stimulus plan would keep the unemployment rate below 8%. [8] Last month, our unemployment rate was 9.8%, the highest it’s been in 26 years. [9] At first the current administration promised that the stimulus would save or create 3 to 4 million jobs. [10] Then they declared that it created 1 million jobs, but the stimulus reports released this week showed that a mere 30,083 jobs have been created, while nearly 3.4 million jobs have been lost since the stimulus was passed. [11] Should we believe the administration’s claims about health care when their promises have proven so unreliable about the stimulus?

In January 2008, presidential candidate Obama promised not to negotiate behind closed doors with health care lobbyists. In fact, he committed to “broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are. Because part of what we have to do is enlist the American people in this process. And overcoming the special interests and the lobbyists...” [12] However, last February, after serving only a few weeks in office, President Obama met privately at the White House with health care industry executives and lobbyists. [13] Yesterday, POLITICO reported that aides to President Obama and Democrat Senator Max Baucus met with corporate lobbyists in April to help “set in motion a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign, primarily financed by industry groups, that has played a key role in bolstering public support for health care reform.” [14] Needless to say, their negotiations were not broadcast on C-SPAN for the American people to see.

Presidential candidate Obama also promised that he would not “sign any nonemergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House Web site for five days.” [15] PolitiFact reports that this promise has already been broken three times by the current administration. [16] We can only hope that it won’t be broken again with health care reform.
All of this certainly gives the appearance of politics-as-usual in Washington with no change in sight.

Americans want health care reform because we want affordable health care. We don’t need subsidies or a public option. We don’t need a nationalized health care industry. We need to reduce health care costs. But the Senate Finance plan will dramatically increase those costs, all the while ignoring common sense cost-saving measures like tort reform. Though a Congressional Budget Office report confirmed that reforming medical malpractice and liability laws could save as much as $54 billion over the next ten years, tort reform is nowhere to be found in the Senate Finance bill. [17]

Here’s a novel idea. Instead of working contrary to the free market, let’s embrace the free market. Instead of going to war with certain private sector companies, let’s embrace real private-sector competition and allow consumers to purchase plans across state lines. Instead of taxing the so-called “Cadillac” plans that people get through their employers, let’s give individuals who purchase their own health care the same tax benefits we currently give employer-provided health care recipients. Instead of crippling Medicare, let’s reform it by providing recipients with vouchers so that they can purchase their own coverage.

Now is the time to make your voices heard before it’s too late. If we don’t fight for the market-oriented, patient-centered, and result-driven reform plan that we deserve, we’ll be left with the disastrous unintended consequences of the plans currently being cooked up in Washington.

- Sarah Palin



[1] See Breaking News | Latest News | Current News - FOXNews.com
[2] See Senate panel OKs health reform bill; Obama: 'We're not there yet' - CNN.com
[3] See Health-Care Reform: Where Do We Go From Here? - Sally Pipes - Critical Condition on National Review Online
[4] See Douglas Holtz-Eakin: The Baucus Bill Is a Tax Bill - WSJ.com
[5] See Paying Obamacare’s Premium by The Editors on National Review Online
[6] See Douglas Holtz-Eakin: The Baucus Bill Is a Tax Bill - WSJ.com
[7] See The White House - Press Office - Remarks by the President at Health Care Reform Town Hall
[8] See Barack Obama's Stimulus Plan: Failing by Its Own Measure - TIME
[9] See ibid.
[10] See First hard stimulus data finds 30,000 jobs saved or created - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
[11] See ibid.
[12] See Transcript of Thursday's Democratic presidential debate - CNN.com and YouTube - obama C span
[13] See Obama Was Meeting With Health Execs in February - ABC News
[14] See Exclusive: How Dems set stage for corporate-backed health care campaign - Politico.com Print View
[15] See Organizing for America | BarackObama.com | Ethics
[16] See PolitiFact | Allow five days of public comment before signing bills - Obama promise No. 234:
[17] See Does CBO Report Bode Well For Tort Reform? -- Health Care Section


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That's my girl!!! She's got it all. Brains. Looks. Personality. Charm. If she runs for President, I'll vote for her. Can't wait for all the Palin slams to come pouring in. Hope somebody comes up with something original. Tired of reading the same old stuff about my sweetie.

Here's something original. She QUIT the people of Alaska so she could sell a book and have someone write shit on her Facebook page. THIS is Presidential material to you? Good luck in 2012 with that.

Have you waded in on Wexler quitting yet?
Wexler to Quit Congress | NBC Miami

Of course not, you're a partisan hack. :eusa_whistle:

I don't see posters on this board lined up to suck on Wexler's dick... so a comparison is faulty.
 
So what we have here are more claims denied - and a higher per patient cost with Medicare vs Private Insurance. The government has no incentive to provide lower cost better service alternatives.

Next...

That isn't what your charts said. Administrative costs are not the only surcharges Private insurance adds onto the costs of health insurance.

There is also advertising which can consume up to 30% of the premium price, profits, sales commissions and executive salaries which may or may not be covered as administrative costs in your chart, they didn't specify.

And while claims may be denied at a higher rate are those claims for frivolous procedures? And Medicare still covers everybody at the most expensive period in their lives.

Your charts basically compare the costs of caring for the elderly to the costs of caring for the young and healthy. Obviously Medicare is tasked with providing health care to folks who are requiring a hellava lot more care than those who have private insurance.
 
But why is Sara Palin even qualified to talk about healthcare, could it be that she can see a hospital from her house?

Wow........ did you think that one up all by yourself or are you stupid enough to have seen Tina Fey do that weak ass shit on SNL and actually believe that Sarah Palin had said it? If you a dimwit leftist the answer is no doubt Tina Fey. You probably believe the weekend update on SNL is real news too.

Sitaro is right....Palin never said she could see Russia from her house.
What she said was even dumber
"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska"
As if Putin flying over Alaska gives her foreign policy experience
 
But why is Sara Palin even qualified to talk about healthcare, could it be that she can see a hospital from her house?

Wow........ did you think that one up all by yourself or are you stupid enough to have seen Tina Fey do that weak ass shit on SNL and actually believe that Sarah Palin had said it? If you a dimwit leftist the answer is no doubt Tina Fey. You probably believe the weekend update on SNL is real news too.

Sitaro is right....Palin never said she could see Russia from her house.
What she said was even dumber
"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska"
As if Putin flying over Alaska gives her foreign policy experience

What was the foreign policy experience of your community organizer? Oh that's right, he had none and it shows......... every day.
 
Wow........ did you think that one up all by yourself or are you stupid enough to have seen Tina Fey do that weak ass shit on SNL and actually believe that Sarah Palin had said it? If you a dimwit leftist the answer is no doubt Tina Fey. You probably believe the weekend update on SNL is real news too.

Sitaro is right....Palin never said she could see Russia from her house.
What she said was even dumber
"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska"
As if Putin flying over Alaska gives her foreign policy experience

What was the foreign policy experience of your community organizer? Oh that's right, he had none and it shows......... every day.

Are you referring to our Nobel Peace Prize winning President?
 
Wow........ did you think that one up all by yourself or are you stupid enough to have seen Tina Fey do that weak ass shit on SNL and actually believe that Sarah Palin had said it? If you a dimwit leftist the answer is no doubt Tina Fey. You probably believe the weekend update on SNL is real news too.

Sitaro is right....Palin never said she could see Russia from her house.
What she said was even dumber
"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska"
As if Putin flying over Alaska gives her foreign policy experience

What was the foreign policy experience of your community organizer? Oh that's right, he had none and it shows......... every day.


Sadly so...
 

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