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Good Intentions Aren't Enough with Health Care Reform


Now that the Senate Finance Committee has approved its health care bill, it’s a good time to step back and take a look at the long term consequences should its provisions be enacted into law.

The bill prohibits insurance companies from refusing coverage to people with pre-existing conditions and from charging sick people higher premiums. [1] It attempts to offset the costs this will impose on insurance companies by requiring everyone to purchase coverage, which in theory would expand the pool of paying policy holders.

However, the maximum fine for those who refuse to purchase health insurance is $750. [2] Even factoring in government subsidies, the cost of purchasing a plan is much more than $750. The result: many people, especially the young and healthy, will simply not buy coverage, choosing to pay the fine instead. They’ll wait until they’re sick to buy health insurance, confident in the knowledge that insurance companies can’t deny them coverage. Such a scenario is a perfect storm for increasing the cost of health care and creating an unsustainable mandate program.

Those driving this plan no doubt have good intentions, but good intentions aren’t enough. There were good intentions behind the drive to increase home ownership for lower-income Americans, but forcing financial institutions to give loans to people who couldn’t afford them had terrible unintended consequences. We all felt those consequences during the financial collapse last year. Unintended consequences always result from top-down big government plans like the current health care proposals, and we can’t afford to ignore that fact again.

Supposedly the Senate Finance bill will be paid for by cutting Medicare by nearly half a trillion dollars and by taxing the so-called “Cadillac” health care plans enjoyed by many union members. The plan will also impose heavy taxes on insurers, pharmaceutical companies, medical device companies, and clinical labs. [3] The result of all of these taxes is clear. As Douglas Holtz-Eakin noted in the Wall Street Journal, these new taxes “will be passed on to consumers by either directly raising insurance premiums, or by fueling higher health-care costs that inevitably lead to higher premiums.” [4] Unfortunately, it will lead to lower wages too, as employees will have to sacrifice a greater percentage of their paychecks to cover these higher premiums. [5] In other words, if the Democrats succeed in overhauling health care, we’ll all bear the costs. The Senate Finance bill is effectively a middle class tax increase, and as Holtz-Eakin points out, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation those making less than $200,000 will be hit hardest. [6]

With our country’s debt and deficits growing at an alarming rate, many of us can’t help but wonder how we can afford a new trillion dollar entitlement program. The president has promised that he won’t sign a health care bill if it “adds even one dime to our deficit over the next decade.” [7] But his administration also promised that his nearly trillion dollar stimulus plan would keep the unemployment rate below 8%. [8] Last month, our unemployment rate was 9.8%, the highest it’s been in 26 years. [9] At first the current administration promised that the stimulus would save or create 3 to 4 million jobs. [10] Then they declared that it created 1 million jobs, but the stimulus reports released this week showed that a mere 30,083 jobs have been created, while nearly 3.4 million jobs have been lost since the stimulus was passed. [11] Should we believe the administration’s claims about health care when their promises have proven so unreliable about the stimulus?

In January 2008, presidential candidate Obama promised not to negotiate behind closed doors with health care lobbyists. In fact, he committed to “broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are. Because part of what we have to do is enlist the American people in this process. And overcoming the special interests and the lobbyists...” [12] However, last February, after serving only a few weeks in office, President Obama met privately at the White House with health care industry executives and lobbyists. [13] Yesterday, POLITICO reported that aides to President Obama and Democrat Senator Max Baucus met with corporate lobbyists in April to help “set in motion a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign, primarily financed by industry groups, that has played a key role in bolstering public support for health care reform.” [14] Needless to say, their negotiations were not broadcast on C-SPAN for the American people to see.

Presidential candidate Obama also promised that he would not “sign any nonemergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House Web site for five days.” [15] PolitiFact reports that this promise has already been broken three times by the current administration. [16] We can only hope that it won’t be broken again with health care reform.
All of this certainly gives the appearance of politics-as-usual in Washington with no change in sight.

Americans want health care reform because we want affordable health care. We don’t need subsidies or a public option. We don’t need a nationalized health care industry. We need to reduce health care costs. But the Senate Finance plan will dramatically increase those costs, all the while ignoring common sense cost-saving measures like tort reform. Though a Congressional Budget Office report confirmed that reforming medical malpractice and liability laws could save as much as $54 billion over the next ten years, tort reform is nowhere to be found in the Senate Finance bill. [17]

Here’s a novel idea. Instead of working contrary to the free market, let’s embrace the free market. Instead of going to war with certain private sector companies, let’s embrace real private-sector competition and allow consumers to purchase plans across state lines. Instead of taxing the so-called “Cadillac” plans that people get through their employers, let’s give individuals who purchase their own health care the same tax benefits we currently give employer-provided health care recipients. Instead of crippling Medicare, let’s reform it by providing recipients with vouchers so that they can purchase their own coverage.

Now is the time to make your voices heard before it’s too late. If we don’t fight for the market-oriented, patient-centered, and result-driven reform plan that we deserve, we’ll be left with the disastrous unintended consequences of the plans currently being cooked up in Washington.

- Sarah Palin



[1] See Breaking News | Latest News | Current News - FOXNews.com
[2] See Senate panel OKs health reform bill; Obama: 'We're not there yet' - CNN.com
[3] See Health-Care Reform: Where Do We Go From Here? - Sally Pipes - Critical Condition on National Review Online
[4] See Douglas Holtz-Eakin: The Baucus Bill Is a Tax Bill - WSJ.com
[5] See Paying Obamacare’s Premium by The Editors on National Review Online
[6] See Douglas Holtz-Eakin: The Baucus Bill Is a Tax Bill - WSJ.com
[7] See The White House - Press Office - Remarks by the President at Health Care Reform Town Hall
[8] See Barack Obama's Stimulus Plan: Failing by Its Own Measure - TIME
[9] See ibid.
[10] See First hard stimulus data finds 30,000 jobs saved or created - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
[11] See ibid.
[12] See Transcript of Thursday's Democratic presidential debate - CNN.com and YouTube - obama C span
[13] See Obama Was Meeting With Health Execs in February - ABC News
[14] See Exclusive: How Dems set stage for corporate-backed health care campaign - Politico.com Print View
[15] See Organizing for America | BarackObama.com | Ethics
[16] See PolitiFact | Allow five days of public comment before signing bills - Obama promise No. 234:
[17] See Does CBO Report Bode Well For Tort Reform? -- Health Care Section


Sarah Palin | Facebook
 
That's my girl!!! She's got it all. Brains. Looks. Personality. Charm. If she runs for President, I'll vote for her. Can't wait for all the Palin slams to come pouring in. Hope somebody comes up with something original. Tired of reading the same old stuff about my sweetie.
 
That's my girl!!! She's got it all. Brains. Looks. Personality. Charm. If she runs for President, I'll vote for her. Can't wait for all the Palin slams to come pouring in. Hope somebody comes up with something original. Tired of reading the same old stuff about my sweetie.

Here's something original. She QUIT the people of Alaska so she could sell a book and have someone write shit on her Facebook page. THIS is Presidential material to you? Good luck in 2012 with that.
 
That's my girl!!! She's got it all. Brains. Looks. Personality. Charm. If she runs for President, I'll vote for her. Can't wait for all the Palin slams to come pouring in. Hope somebody comes up with something original. Tired of reading the same old stuff about my sweetie.

Here's something original. She QUIT the people of Alaska so she could sell a book and have someone write shit on her Facebook page. THIS is Presidential material to you? Good luck in 2012 with that.

It's a depression, it's a depression, it's a depression!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
That's my girl!!! She's got it all. Brains. Looks. Personality. Charm. If she runs for President, I'll vote for her. Can't wait for all the Palin slams to come pouring in. Hope somebody comes up with something original. Tired of reading the same old stuff about my sweetie.

Here's something original. She QUIT the people of Alaska so she could sell a book and have someone write shit on her Facebook page. THIS is Presidential material to you? Good luck in 2012 with that.

Have you waded in on Wexler quitting yet?
Wexler to Quit Congress | NBC Miami

Of course not, you're a partisan hack. :eusa_whistle:
 
Good Intentions Aren't Enough with Health Care Reform


Now that the Senate Finance Committee has approved its health care bill, it’s a good time to step back and take a look at the long term consequences should its provisions be enacted into law.

The bill prohibits insurance companies from refusing coverage to people with pre-existing conditions and from charging sick people higher premiums. [1] It attempts to offset the costs this will impose on insurance companies by requiring everyone to purchase coverage, which in theory would expand the pool of paying policy holders.

However, the maximum fine for those who refuse to purchase health insurance is $750. [2] Even factoring in government subsidies, the cost of purchasing a plan is much more than $750. The result: many people, especially the young and healthy, will simply not buy coverage, choosing to pay the fine instead. They’ll wait until they’re sick to buy health insurance, confident in the knowledge that insurance companies can’t deny them coverage. Such a scenario is a perfect storm for increasing the cost of health care and creating an unsustainable mandate program.

No it isn't, that is just stupid. It won't increase the cost of health care one iotta. The same care will be delivered it just won't be financed by the whole population.

What it does do is increase the costs of health insurance. Which apparently nobody will be paying for unless they get sick.

Health insurance will default but health care won't, for once.

Admittedly Baucus's plan is horrible, unworkable and miserably conceived. But Palin is just plain stupid. And i actually like her! Since i lived in AK and respect it's culture and her role in it.

I won't bother to critique the rest of her sermon. Palin isn't really sharp enough to matter.
 
That's my girl!!! She's got it all. Brains. Looks. Personality. Charm. If she runs for President, I'll vote for her. Can't wait for all the Palin slams to come pouring in. Hope somebody comes up with something original. Tired of reading the same old stuff about my sweetie.

Here's something original. She QUIT the people of Alaska so she could sell a book and have someone write shit on her Facebook page. THIS is Presidential material to you? Good luck in 2012 with that.

Have you waded in on Wexler quitting yet?
Wexler to Quit Congress | NBC Miami

Of course not, you're a partisan hack. :eusa_whistle:

Wexler is highly unlikely to seek political office again. He is taking his career in a different direction. On the other hand, most believe that Sarah will run for President. There is a bit of difference.
 
That's my girl!!! She's got it all. Brains. Looks. Personality. Charm. If she runs for President, I'll vote for her. Can't wait for all the Palin slams to come pouring in. Hope somebody comes up with something original. Tired of reading the same old stuff about my sweetie.

Here's something original. She QUIT the people of Alaska so she could sell a book and have someone write shit on her Facebook page. THIS is Presidential material to you? Good luck in 2012 with that.


She gave them a new Governor that was well aware of how she was running the state,was he not also elected? She really didn't have much of a choice, unless she had the state police eliminate the piece of shit that kept suing her and consequently the State.

So it's impossible that she could have written that piece eh, why, because nobody can be as smart as Barry? Get over it, Barry is no genius, he doesn't seem to be all that bright either. You and others like you would vote for a cardboard cut out if it would parrot what you want to hear.
 
I disagree with Palin in one respect and that is those pushing this don't have good intentions because the people who are pushing this are after control and while, on the surface, the goals are noble but can you really say that people who's political objective is to control as much of our lives as possible really good to begin with?

The kindest people I have ever met were those who never sought control of others but those that do seek control of others usually were mean, manipulative, and just plain assholes.
 
I disagree with Palin in one respect and that is those pushing this don't have good intentions because the people who are pushing this are after control and while, on the surface, the goals are noble but can you really say that people who's political objective is to control as much of our lives as possible really good to begin with?

The kindest people I have ever met were those who never sought control of others but those that do seek control of others usually were mean, manipulative, and just plain assholes.

I agree. I much prefer those who seek power to enrich themselves and their affiliates to be frank about their reasons for seeking high political office.
 
Good Intentions Aren't Enough with Health Care Reform


Now that the Senate Finance Committee has approved its health care bill, it’s a good time to step back and take a look at the long term consequences should its provisions be enacted into law.

The bill prohibits insurance companies from refusing coverage to people with pre-existing conditions and from charging sick people higher premiums. [1] It attempts to offset the costs this will impose on insurance companies by requiring everyone to purchase coverage, which in theory would expand the pool of paying policy holders.

However, the maximum fine for those who refuse to purchase health insurance is $750. [2] Even factoring in government subsidies, the cost of purchasing a plan is much more than $750. The result: many people, especially the young and healthy, will simply not buy coverage, choosing to pay the fine instead. They’ll wait until they’re sick to buy health insurance, confident in the knowledge that insurance companies can’t deny them coverage. Such a scenario is a perfect storm for increasing the cost of health care and creating an unsustainable mandate program.

No it isn't, that is just stupid. It won't increase the cost of health care one iotta. The same care will be delivered it just won't be financed by the whole population.

____

I have yet to see direct government involvement decrease cost and raise efficiency.

You seem to think this time, when impacting 1/5 of the American economy - it will be different.

Why?
 
But why is Sara Palin even qualified to talk about healthcare, could it be that she can see a hospital from her house?

She appears to have a platform to do so - and her message is one resonating with millions of Americans.

'Nuff said....
 
Good Intentions Aren't Enough with Health Care Reform


Now that the Senate Finance Committee has approved its health care bill, it’s a good time to step back and take a look at the long term consequences should its provisions be enacted into law.

The bill prohibits insurance companies from refusing coverage to people with pre-existing conditions and from charging sick people higher premiums. [1] It attempts to offset the costs this will impose on insurance companies by requiring everyone to purchase coverage, which in theory would expand the pool of paying policy holders.

However, the maximum fine for those who refuse to purchase health insurance is $750. [2] Even factoring in government subsidies, the cost of purchasing a plan is much more than $750. The result: many people, especially the young and healthy, will simply not buy coverage, choosing to pay the fine instead. They’ll wait until they’re sick to buy health insurance, confident in the knowledge that insurance companies can’t deny them coverage. Such a scenario is a perfect storm for increasing the cost of health care and creating an unsustainable mandate program.

Those driving this plan no doubt have good intentions, but good intentions aren’t enough. There were good intentions behind the drive to increase home ownership for lower-income Americans, but forcing financial institutions to give loans to people who couldn’t afford them had terrible unintended consequences. We all felt those consequences during the financial collapse last year. Unintended consequences always result from top-down big government plans like the current health care proposals, and we can’t afford to ignore that fact again.

Supposedly the Senate Finance bill will be paid for by cutting Medicare by nearly half a trillion dollars and by taxing the so-called “Cadillac” health care plans enjoyed by many union members. The plan will also impose heavy taxes on insurers, pharmaceutical companies, medical device companies, and clinical labs. [3] The result of all of these taxes is clear. As Douglas Holtz-Eakin noted in the Wall Street Journal, these new taxes “will be passed on to consumers by either directly raising insurance premiums, or by fueling higher health-care costs that inevitably lead to higher premiums.” [4] Unfortunately, it will lead to lower wages too, as employees will have to sacrifice a greater percentage of their paychecks to cover these higher premiums. [5] In other words, if the Democrats succeed in overhauling health care, we’ll all bear the costs. The Senate Finance bill is effectively a middle class tax increase, and as Holtz-Eakin points out, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation those making less than $200,000 will be hit hardest. [6]

With our country’s debt and deficits growing at an alarming rate, many of us can’t help but wonder how we can afford a new trillion dollar entitlement program. The president has promised that he won’t sign a health care bill if it “adds even one dime to our deficit over the next decade.” [7] But his administration also promised that his nearly trillion dollar stimulus plan would keep the unemployment rate below 8%. [8] Last month, our unemployment rate was 9.8%, the highest it’s been in 26 years. [9] At first the current administration promised that the stimulus would save or create 3 to 4 million jobs. [10] Then they declared that it created 1 million jobs, but the stimulus reports released this week showed that a mere 30,083 jobs have been created, while nearly 3.4 million jobs have been lost since the stimulus was passed. [11] Should we believe the administration’s claims about health care when their promises have proven so unreliable about the stimulus?

In January 2008, presidential candidate Obama promised not to negotiate behind closed doors with health care lobbyists. In fact, he committed to “broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are. Because part of what we have to do is enlist the American people in this process. And overcoming the special interests and the lobbyists...” [12] However, last February, after serving only a few weeks in office, President Obama met privately at the White House with health care industry executives and lobbyists. [13] Yesterday, POLITICO reported that aides to President Obama and Democrat Senator Max Baucus met with corporate lobbyists in April to help “set in motion a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign, primarily financed by industry groups, that has played a key role in bolstering public support for health care reform.” [14] Needless to say, their negotiations were not broadcast on C-SPAN for the American people to see.

Presidential candidate Obama also promised that he would not “sign any nonemergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House Web site for five days.” [15] PolitiFact reports that this promise has already been broken three times by the current administration. [16] We can only hope that it won’t be broken again with health care reform.
All of this certainly gives the appearance of politics-as-usual in Washington with no change in sight.

Americans want health care reform because we want affordable health care. We don’t need subsidies or a public option. We don’t need a nationalized health care industry. We need to reduce health care costs. But the Senate Finance plan will dramatically increase those costs, all the while ignoring common sense cost-saving measures like tort reform. Though a Congressional Budget Office report confirmed that reforming medical malpractice and liability laws could save as much as $54 billion over the next ten years, tort reform is nowhere to be found in the Senate Finance bill. [17]

Here’s a novel idea. Instead of working contrary to the free market, let’s embrace the free market. Instead of going to war with certain private sector companies, let’s embrace real private-sector competition and allow consumers to purchase plans across state lines. Instead of taxing the so-called “Cadillac” plans that people get through their employers, let’s give individuals who purchase their own health care the same tax benefits we currently give employer-provided health care recipients. Instead of crippling Medicare, let’s reform it by providing recipients with vouchers so that they can purchase their own coverage.

Now is the time to make your voices heard before it’s too late. If we don’t fight for the market-oriented, patient-centered, and result-driven reform plan that we deserve, we’ll be left with the disastrous unintended consequences of the plans currently being cooked up in Washington.

- Sarah Palin



[1] See Breaking News | Latest News | Current News - FOXNews.com
[2] See Senate panel OKs health reform bill; Obama: 'We're not there yet' - CNN.com
[3] See Health-Care Reform: Where Do We Go From Here? - Sally Pipes - Critical Condition on National Review Online
[4] See Douglas Holtz-Eakin: The Baucus Bill Is a Tax Bill - WSJ.com
[5] See Paying Obamacare’s Premium by The Editors on National Review Online
[6] See Douglas Holtz-Eakin: The Baucus Bill Is a Tax Bill - WSJ.com
[7] See The White House - Press Office - Remarks by the President at Health Care Reform Town Hall
[8] See Barack Obama's Stimulus Plan: Failing by Its Own Measure - TIME
[9] See ibid.
[10] See First hard stimulus data finds 30,000 jobs saved or created - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
[11] See ibid.
[12] See Transcript of Thursday's Democratic presidential debate - CNN.com and YouTube - obama C span
[13] See Obama Was Meeting With Health Execs in February - ABC News
[14] See Exclusive: How Dems set stage for corporate-backed health care campaign - Politico.com Print View
[15] See Organizing for America | BarackObama.com | Ethics
[16] See PolitiFact | Allow five days of public comment before signing bills - Obama promise No. 234:
[17] See Does CBO Report Bode Well For Tort Reform? -- Health Care Section


Sarah Palin | Facebook

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No it isn't, that is just stupid. It won't increase the cost of health care one iotta. The same care will be delivered it just won't be financed by the whole population.

____

I have yet to see direct government involvement decrease cost and raise efficiency.

You seem to think this time, when impacting 1/5 of the American economy - it will be different.

Why?

I didn't say it would increase efficiency, I just said that the cost of actual health care isn't negatively effected by the health bills now under consideration.

However there is clearly a LOT of room to improve medical cost efficacy as we pay at least 46% more for health care than anybody else on earth.

The present private system is powerless to drive down health care costs. The results speak for themselves. (70% increase in health care costs over a decade)

A number of alternative organizational structures could in fact cut our health care costs/patient in half. As evidenced by what the rest of the world pays.

But we already have a fully inefficient government run system which isn't capitalizing on but one mechanism to reduce health care costs and it is still far more efficient than private health insurance. And it covers almost everybody over 65.

So unless you wanna abolish Medicare, your position contradicts itself.
 

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