Palin Slams Obama's Energy Plan

[Sarah G]

pathetic showing by libs in this thread....nothing on what she said, just attacking her personally...

what she said is very good, care to actually debate or just ad hom?

Without Lefty feedback, the thread dies. It was 25 minutes, no Lefties, no dialog. Do you get how you need us to make this work? You actually need our personal attacks on her to keep things interesting.

That we come in here attacking wingnuts, is the nature of the beast. If it wasn't for Leftie attacks, nobody would be posting anything. I found that out checking into the last political message board I was a member of every so often just to see how it's going.

No Lefties anymore there, just a vast rightwing wasteland.

I personally don't give a shit what Palin has to say about any policy but I will make fun of her whenever, wherever, whatever.

Well, that's a shame Sarah. You should care what Palin and all pols say about policy and give the rightwing/leftwing shit a rest. Says a lot about you that you will make fun of Palin whenever, whereever, whatever. I gave you more credit than that. Guess I was wrong.

Did you want me to be a middle of the road Inde? I'm not. I won't insult you by asking you to change your style or belief system to suit me though.

 

[WhiteLion]

Sarah M1A2 Palin got tired of being a sitting target for Annoying Librul mortar fire and is now out driving on the open road free to engage and destroy any enemy target!

LOL!

You stupid Fucking Libruls couldn't leave her alone in Alaska!

LOL!

Thats very true Cruse, if them dumb ass lefties had left well enough alone, Sarah would have went home to Alaska and dried up after the Pres elections. But now they got a shitstorm coming and shes going over the top, the wrath of Sarah Palin is unleashed..

What you tolerate today, You will entertain tomorrow -whitelion

 

[Vel]

you people would swear that a solid fart was the solution if it waved a gop lapel pin in your face. Seriously, I HOPE you people put your faith in the quitter come '12. For realz.

Try this please.. Point out the fallacies in her op ed. Tell me what you disagree with in her position.

the entire third, fourth paragraph, sentences like "Those who understand the issue know we can meet our energy needs and environmental challenges without destroying America's economy." are pretty fucking stupid, paragraph 6, 7, 8 (the entire sentence), I laughed at the whole "god put right under our feet", are her laughable ending wrap up.


the FACT is that it's not cap and trade that killed America's economy. It was the dangled rotten fruit of free market capitalism that hemorrhaged standard of living opportunity to third world slave wage nations. If you don't ahve a job because it was shipped to Mexico then you can't afford a house or car. Basic stuff, really. Blaming Obama given how eviscerated the economy was before he even held office is just asinine. Pretending that trite rhetoric and laughable talking points means more than trying to rally a bid for the '12 election is, again, asinine. Her OP is the equivalent of playing Jock Jams at a concert of Mozart music. Yea, it may get the crowd pumped but there is no substance beyond the usual GOP bait.

happy?

Ok we'll overlook the fact that no one has said that cap and trade has killed America's economy ( the concern is that IF PASSED it will destroy whatever we have left of our economy. ) and we'll narrow the focus to the one thing you said that really addressed the OP. You disagree with "Those who understand the issue know we can meet our energy needs and environmental challenges without destroying America's economy." So is it your opinion that we must necessarily destory the American economy in order to meet our future energy needs?

 

[Zoom-boing]

Without Lefty feedback, the thread dies. It was 25 minutes, no Lefties, no dialog. Do you get how you need us to make this work? You actually need our personal attacks on her to keep things interesting.

That we come in here attacking wingnuts, is the nature of the beast. If it wasn't for Leftie attacks, nobody would be posting anything. I found that out checking into the last political message board I was a member of every so often just to see how it's going.

No Lefties anymore there, just a vast rightwing wasteland.

I personally don't give a shit what Palin has to say about any policy but I will make fun of her whenever, wherever, whatever.

Well, that's a shame Sarah. You should care what Palin and all pols say about policy and give the rightwing/leftwing shit a rest. Says a lot about you that you will make fun of Palin whenever, whereever, whatever. I gave you more credit than that. Guess I was wrong.

Did you want me to be a middle of the road Inde? I'm not. I won't insult you by asking you to change your style or belief system to suit me though.

No, but I'd hope you talk about the issues vs. just slamming the politicians.

Didn't you think the OP had any valid points?

 

[Article 15]

At about the halfway point of the piece does it suddenly seems like somebody else did the writing?

 

[Sarah G]

At about the halfway point of the piece does it suddenly seems like somebody else did the writing?

Peggy Noonan maybe?

 

[Missourian]

pathetic showing by libs in this thread....nothing on what she said, just attacking her personally...

what she said is very good, care to actually debate or just ad hom?

Without Lefty feedback, the thread dies. It was 25 minutes, no Lefties, no dialog. Do you get how you need us to make this work? You actually need our personal attacks on her to keep things interesting.

That we come in here attacking wingnuts, is the nature of the beast. If it wasn't for Leftie attacks, nobody would be posting anything. I found that out checking into the last political message board I was a member of every so often just to see how it's going.

No Lefties anymore there, just a vast rightwing wasteland.

I personally don't give a shit what Palin has to say about any policy but I will make fun of her whenever, wherever, whatever.

Translation:

I am an ideolog, I'm not here to be part of the solution...I'm here to be part of the problem.

 

[concept]

you people would swear that a solid fart was the solution if it waved a gop lapel pin in your face. Seriously, I HOPE you people put your faith in the quitter come '12. For realz.

and the flailing and wailing begins.

Considering the GOP lost because many cons disagreed with their policies and direction, I would say you are completely wrong.

As far as Palin, she is 100% correct in this op. And that is why I am not surpried one bit by your lame attempt at deflection here.

I sincerely HOPE you believe that. For real. I WANT you to take that opinion with you into the 12 primaries.

Please, nominate Sarah Palin. I WANT you to.

Can you address the op at all? I didn't think so.

 

[Article 15]

At about the halfway point of the piece does it suddenly seems like somebody else did the writing?

Peggy Noonan maybe?

I dunno .... remember this?

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[concept]

Seriously? No.

Just about everyone else in the thread is though.

I'm not, so it hardly matters to me.

The OP ED is good.

If you say so.

didn't you read it?

 

[concept]

Wow. Pretty desperate when you can't even accept that she wrote it.

Massive lameness exposed.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Palin's op ed addresses Obama's cap and tax plan as an enormous threat to America....

The Cap and Tax Dead End
By Sarah Palin
The Washinton Post
Tuesday, July 14, 2009

There is no shortage of threats to our economy. America's unemployment rate recently hit its highest mark in more than 25 years and is expected to continue climbing. Worries are widespread that even when the economy finally rebounds, the recovery won't bring jobs. Our nation's debt is unsustainable, and the federal government's reach into the private sector is unprecedented.

Unfortunately, many in the national media would rather focus on the personality-driven political gossip of the day than on the gravity of these challenges. So, at risk of disappointing the chattering class, let me make clear what is foremost on my mind and where my focus will be:

I am deeply concerned about President Obama's cap-and-trade energy plan, and I believe it is an enormous threat to our economy. It would undermine our recovery over the short term and would inflict permanent damage.

American prosperity has always been driven by the steady supply of abundant, affordable energy. Particularly in Alaska, we understand the inherent link between energy and prosperity, energy and opportunity, and energy and security. Consequently, many of us in this huge, energy-rich state recognize that the president's cap-and-trade energy tax would adversely affect every aspect of the U.S. economy.

There is no denying that as the world becomes more industrialized, we need to reform our energy policy and become less dependent on foreign energy sources. But the answer doesn't lie in making energy scarcer and more expensive! Those who understand the issue know we can meet our energy needs and environmental challenges without destroying America's economy.

Job losses are so certain under this new cap-and-tax plan that it includes a provision accommodating newly unemployed workers from the resulting dried-up energy sector, to the tune of $4.2 billion over eight years. So much for creating jobs.

In addition to immediately increasing unemployment in the energy sector, even more American jobs will be threatened by the rising cost of doing business under the cap-and-tax plan. For example, the cost of farming will certainly increase, driving down farm incomes while driving up grocery prices. The costs of manufacturing, warehousing and transportation will also increase.

The ironic beauty in this plan? Soon, even the most ardent liberal will understand supply-side economics.

The Americans hit hardest will be those already struggling to make ends meet. As the president eloquently puts it, their electricity bills will "necessarily skyrocket." So much for not raising taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year.

Even Warren Buffett, an ardent Obama supporter, admitted that under the cap-and-tax scheme, "poor people are going to pay a lot more for electricity."

We must move in a new direction. We are ripe for economic growth and energy independence if we responsibly tap the resources that God created right underfoot on American soil. Just as important, we have more desire and ability to protect the environment than any foreign nation from which we purchase energy today.

In Alaska, we are progressing on the largest private-sector energy project in history. Our 3,000-mile natural gas pipeline will transport hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of our clean natural gas to hungry markets across America. We can safely drill for U.S. oil offshore and in a tiny, 2,000-acre corner of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge if ever given the go-ahead by Washington bureaucrats.

Of course, Alaska is not the sole source of American energy. Many states have abundant coal, whose technology is continuously making it into a cleaner energy source. Westerners literally sit on mountains of oil and gas, and every state can consider the possibility of nuclear energy.

We have an important choice to make. Do we want to control our energy supply and its environmental impact? Or, do we want to outsource it to China, Russia and Saudi Arabia? Make no mistake: President Obama's plan will result in the latter.

For so many reasons, we can't afford to kill responsible domestic energy production or clobber every American consumer with higher prices.

Can America produce more of its own energy through strategic investments that protect the environment, revive our economy and secure our nation?

Yes, we can. Just not with Barack Obama's energy cap-and-tax plan.

washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

WOW...Just WOW.

As a person with a BBA in business admin and economics I actually have to give Palin credit (I cringe as i type that as i'm not a Palin fan). If that is truly her opinion on things(in other words if those are her true original thoughts) I may have to re-evaluate my opinion on her in general.

That is one of the more intelligent short articles I've read on energy and economics and i'm feeling this strange sense of being impressed by Palin for the first time. Hmmmm.....i'm not the only one lighting brushfires

Almost sounds like a good 2012 stump speech.

 

[Newby]

Without Lefty feedback, the thread dies. It was 25 minutes, no Lefties, no dialog. Do you get how you need us to make this work? You actually need our personal attacks on her to keep things interesting.

That we come in here attacking wingnuts, is the nature of the beast. If it wasn't for Leftie attacks, nobody would be posting anything. I found that out checking into the last political message board I was a member of every so often just to see how it's going.

No Lefties anymore there, just a vast rightwing wasteland.

I personally don't give a shit what Palin has to say about any policy but I will make fun of her whenever, wherever, whatever.

Well, that's a shame Sarah. You should care what Palin and all pols say about policy and give the rightwing/leftwing shit a rest. Says a lot about you that you will make fun of Palin whenever, whereever, whatever. I gave you more credit than that. Guess I was wrong.

Did you want me to be a middle of the road Inde? I'm not. I won't insult you by asking you to change your style or belief system to suit me though.

Anything is better than the blind partisanship that you constantly display. It shows that you really don't think for yourself about any given topic.

 

[Meister]

Im shocked Palin even knows what it is

Perfect example, personal attack, no comment on the op ed.

It's the only thing he's capabable of bringing to this board. It's all I ever see him post

 

[CrusaderFrank]

At about the halfway point of the piece does it suddenly seems like somebody else did the writing?

William Ayers?

 

[Sarah G]

At about the halfway point of the piece does it suddenly seems like somebody else did the writing?

Peggy Noonan maybe?

I dunno .... remember this?

I do remember it. It was a loose reference to Palin pretty consistently being compared to Reagan. Sorry.

 

[Shogun]

Try this please.. Point out the fallacies in her op ed. Tell me what you disagree with in her position.

the entire third, fourth paragraph, sentences like "Those who understand the issue know we can meet our energy needs and environmental challenges without destroying America's economy." are pretty fucking stupid, paragraph 6, 7, 8 (the entire sentence), I laughed at the whole "god put right under our feet", are her laughable ending wrap up.


the FACT is that it's not cap and trade that killed America's economy. It was the dangled rotten fruit of free market capitalism that hemorrhaged standard of living opportunity to third world slave wage nations. If you don't ahve a job because it was shipped to Mexico then you can't afford a house or car. Basic stuff, really. Blaming Obama given how eviscerated the economy was before he even held office is just asinine. Pretending that trite rhetoric and laughable talking points means more than trying to rally a bid for the '12 election is, again, asinine. Her OP is the equivalent of playing Jock Jams at a concert of Mozart music. Yea, it may get the crowd pumped but there is no substance beyond the usual GOP bait.

happy?

Ok we'll overlook the fact that no one has said that cap and trade has killed America's economy ( the concern is that IF PASSED it will destroy whatever we have left of our economy. ) and we'll narrow the focus to the one thing you said that really addressed the OP. You disagree with "Those who understand the issue know we can meet our energy needs and environmental challenges without destroying America's economy." So is it your opinion that we must necessarily destory the American economy in order to meet our future energy needs?

I am deeply concerned about President Obama's cap-and-trade energy plan, and I believe it is an enormous threat to our economy. It would undermine our recovery over the short term and would inflict permanent damage.

Those who understand the issue know we can meet our energy needs and environmental challenges without destroying America's economy.

Job losses are so certain under this new cap-and-tax plan that it includes a provision accommodating newly unemployed workers from the resulting dried-up energy sector, to the tune of $4.2 billion over eight years. So much for creating jobs.


If the above blue text is the ONLY thing you took from my post then I guess it's understandable why you'd totally disregard the red text above. And, truly, it's completely asinine to ASSume that I think it's necessary to destroy the economy in order to meet energy needs. In fact, I'd say there is a pretty strong correlation between the level of stupid it takes to write Sarah's OP as it does to make a reply like that.


Energy dependence is not a catch all excuse. Maybe if we weren't coming fresh out of the SUV presidency which, SHOCKER, also saw the highest gas prices in decades you wouldn't have to act like the sky is falling if we don't maintain current consumption rates. Hell, we COULD try to use the gov stock in GM currently to push vehicles that use less energy AND stimulates the economy but I get the sneaking suspicion that you would cry like a bleeding martyr that the big bad gov is trying to keep you from buying a hummer (made in mexico). Just because you lost the last election doesn't mean you ahve to drag your feet until the next GOP brand turd pulls a string and echoes the same ole talking points like a greek chorus. And, be sure, gutting the fucking planet just because you think jesus is on his way won't invalidate science behind environmental concerns.

 

[Shogun]

and the flailing and wailing begins.

Considering the GOP lost because many cons disagreed with their policies and direction, I would say you are completely wrong.

As far as Palin, she is 100% correct in this op. And that is why I am not surpried one bit by your lame attempt at deflection here.

I sincerely HOPE you believe that. For real. I WANT you to take that opinion with you into the 12 primaries.

Please, nominate Sarah Palin. I WANT you to.

Can you address the op at all? I didn't think so.

I already have, genius. scroll up and pour yourself another bowl of brain flakes.

 

[EriktheRed]

Palin Slams Obama's Energy Plan

What a surprise.

 

[EriktheRed]

At about the halfway point of the piece does it suddenly seems like somebody else did the writing?

Peggy Noonan maybe?

Nooners apparently hates Sarah, so I don't see her helping Palinto write something.