Palin on O'Reilly. What is she talking about!

[PeterS]

I was going to reply to this topic, but California Girl and Samson made all my points, so I will just refer you to their posts.

But I do think it speaks volumes that they do fear her so much. Her ideas do resonate with large numbers of people, and she is charming and fun.

What are her idea? If they resonate with you then what are they?

 

[Zona]

First, who are the elites? Second, where does she point out they are morally and intellectually naked?

Speaking of Elites....did you know she fly's to get to her bus, right before she stoped for her book tour.

Rubes.

Zonedout, do you have problems retaining factual information? The fucking book tour was organized and paid for by her publishers. They make the arrangements - they decide what transport is used, when and where to... It has nothing to do with Palin - she just gets told what arrangements have been made.

There are plenty of issues on which to legitimately attack Palin... Why can not one fucking liberal come up with the legitimate stuff? Are none of you intelligent enough to work out where her legitimate weak points are? If I felt so inclinded I could argue her supporters into the ground on really legitimate fact based issues. Why can not one of you do the same?

She...she used the bus to show how she is one of the regular people....yet she flew around to get to that bus. She is not one of the regular people. She is a joke and the real republicans out there know it. A real republican is one who said, oh my god, McCain picked who? Oh dear god. We have to support this? We have to act as though this was a good idea? Those guys.

Not Rush, not Hannity, not anyone like that. Real republicans. (I know I know, they say they are not republicans, but they are.)

 

[Samson]

Because the intellect she represents doesn't propose a minimal government. You cannot deport every illegal alien without a vastly expanded INS nor increase Homeland Security without expansion and expecting government to police our reproduction and whom we marry is anything but minimal. If she actually believes in minimal government then what is it? Is she talking about eliminating SS, Medicare/Medicare, Healthcare, Education, regulation of banking and commerce? What is it. She never says.

And when you say constitution...do you mean postal roads and navy. That is just about the only thing the constitution permanently funds. Do you really think your vagueness is a defense of hers?

No she doesn't spell it out for you.

Frankly, yes I'd be delighted if our Federal Government only funded a small military, built roads, and ran a postal service within a budget. But I'm not that optimistic.

So, Palin could be discussing simply maintaining the size of government? This too would make me happy. But I'm not this pessimistic.

Finally, She could be discussing DECREASING the size of our government's budget. If so, then I'm happy.

See, EVERYTHING makes me happy except INCREASING the Budget of the US Government.

Yes this is vauge, but I couldn't give a flying fuck HOW it is done, I just want someone to fucking DO IT, and stop waiting for poll results, or wind direction to be more favorable, to clean up the goddamn mess.

She could also be talking about the rocks in her head. Thanks for making the point of the OP. So tell me, how are you going to vaguely reduce the size of government?

How would I do it?

I'd insist that my party run on the platform of a Balanced Budget Amendment, and The Line Item Veto. I'd also insist that the US Government Budget decrease 10%/year for the duration of my 4 year presidency. Department heads would have te authority to decrease costs that would acheive these budget goals.

 

[California Girl]

I was recently catching up on the news and ran across the part three interview of Palin on the O’Reilly Factor. The clip starts with a David Brooks quote “She's a joke. I mean, I just can't take her seriously. We've got serious problems in the country.” which leads O’Reilly to say, “What is it about you that brings out these strong negative emotions?” Palin responds, “If there is a threat at all that perhaps I represent, it is that the average, everyday hardworking American, their voice is going to be heard and their — what our voice is saying right now is we're telling the federal government and we're telling the elites who think that they are — can and should call all the shots for all the rest of us, trust us, and that we know what our federal government's role is supposed to be in our lives. It's supposed to be minimal.”

Palin, of course, misses it. She doesn’t represent the average but the below average and we just went through 8 years of that wherein lies the negative response to Palin. And just what is Palin talking about? She refers to “minimal government” , “elites” , and bureaucrats but gives zero examples of what she means. What is minimal government? Does she think government is minimal with an INS agent and Homeland Security agent on every corner or with government policing our reproduction and whom we marry? The below average she represents thinks so. And the elites in our bureaucracy? Government bureaucracy carries over largely unchanged from administration to administration. Who and what is she talking about? Is she going to eliminate college educated department heads and replace them with dumb and dumber Joe the Plumbers or is she going to eliminate entire agencies? What is it?

Palin doesn’t represent the average but the average far right conservative, which isn’t average at all. She lives in a world of vague generalities and absurd cliche's. She is a mental lightweight surface feeding knuckle dragger who represents the worst that is a part of America. She is indicative of how ignorance leads to arrogance which her notion that she represents the average so blatantly displays...

Here's my problem with what you say. You can't decide who she speaks on behalf of... that is for each individual to decide for themselves.

She does not speak for me, but I am smart enough to recognize that she may well speak for a substantial amount of ordinary Americans - not necessarily those of below average IQ. Your problem is you think that anyone who disagrees with you has a below average IQ. That's because you're not smart enough to recognize that people have a right to hold their own opinion... that opinion doesn't make them stupid.

How are you drawing that conclusion? Palin continually says she represents 'average'. She doesn't. She represents a click of small thinking individuals...their IQ I have no idea and is irrelevant. Government has function. If you want it minimal then you have to actually reduce that function. So what are the departments, agencies, and individuals she is going to eliminate? Isn't that a fair question? Does that mean I think those who support her stupid? No. Palin is ignorant as are those that support her. Stupidity and ignorance are often shared but not the same...

My point is that you cannot know who she resonates with. Therefore, you cannot know if it is a "small click of small thinking individuals".

Your questions are fair about what she stands for.... If she was running for POTUS. She is not. If and when she does, then I'm happy to debate Palin. Until then, this obsession from the left with Palin is nothing more than fluff. If you don't mind being fluffy, have at it. But it is really damned stupid.

 

[Zona]

BTW, I always think it funny when someone mocks another's intelligence, but can't write a coherent sentence them self.

Shouldn't that be ..can't write a coherent sentence themselves? If I am correct, oh the irony. If I am wrong, oh well, I learned something.

 

[Zona]

Here's my problem with what you say. You can't decide who she speaks on behalf of... that is for each individual to decide for themselves.

She does not speak for me, but I am smart enough to recognize that she may well speak for a substantial amount of ordinary Americans - not necessarily those of below average IQ. Your problem is you think that anyone who disagrees with you has a below average IQ. That's because you're not smart enough to recognize that people have a right to hold their own opinion... that opinion doesn't make them stupid.

How are you drawing that conclusion? Palin continually says she represents 'average'. She doesn't. She represents a click of small thinking individuals...their IQ I have no idea and is irrelevant. Government has function. If you want it minimal then you have to actually reduce that function. So what are the departments, agencies, and individuals she is going to eliminate? Isn't that a fair question? Does that mean I think those who support her stupid? No. Palin is ignorant as are those that support her. Stupidity and ignorance are often shared but not the same...

My point is that you cannot know who she resonates with. Therefore, you cannot know if it is a "small click of small thinking individuals".

Your questions are fair about what she stands for.... If she was running for POTUS. She is not. If and when she does, then I'm happy to debate Palin. Until then, this obsession from the left with Palin is nothing more than fluff. If you don't mind being fluffy, have at it. But it is really damned stupid.

Perhaps its fun to constantly throw her in the faces of the republicans. It is fun showing how wrong they were for picking her. Actually its their fault we keep throwing this dolt's actions in their faces. They picked her.

Palin 2012!

 

[Samson]

Perhaps its fun to constantly throw her in the faces of the republicans. It is fun showing how wrong they were for picking her. Actually its their fault we keep throwing this dolt's actions in their faces. They picked her.

Palin 2012!

I agree.

I cannot wait to watch Republicans throw Obama in the face of Democrats.


Just for fun, of course.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

BTW, I always think it funny when someone mocks another's intelligence, but can't write a coherent sentence them self.

Shouldn't that be ..Can't write a coherent sentence themselves? If I am correct, oh the irony.

Irony is an important part of your daily diet. Touche. Would you believe me if I said I had it right the first time, and then overcorrected it?

What works for me with Palin is the idea of limited frugal government, vigorous defense of our national interests (defined as defense of representative government everywhere, rather than making the best deal with tyrants), low taxes applied equally to all. There are lots of details, but this is the broad generality.

 

[PeterS]

No she doesn't spell it out for you.

Frankly, yes I'd be delighted if our Federal Government only funded a small military, built roads, and ran a postal service within a budget. But I'm not that optimistic.

So, Palin could be discussing simply maintaining the size of government? This too would make me happy. But I'm not this pessimistic.

Finally, She could be discussing DECREASING the size of our government's budget. If so, then I'm happy.

See, EVERYTHING makes me happy except INCREASING the Budget of the US Government.

Yes this is vauge, but I couldn't give a flying fuck HOW it is done, I just want someone to fucking DO IT, and stop waiting for poll results, or wind direction to be more favorable, to clean up the goddamn mess.

She could also be talking about the rocks in her head. Thanks for making the point of the OP. So tell me, how are you going to vaguely reduce the size of government?

How would I do it?

I'd insist that my party run on the platform of a Balanced Budget Amendment, and The Line Item Veto. I'd also insist that the US Government Budget decrease 10%/year for the duration of my 4 year presidency. Department heads would have te authority to decrease costs that would acheive these budget goals.

A balanced budget amendment and line item veto you have to get through the supreme court and to accomplish your budget it would be through veto with a congressional override. When people understand that the budget cuts you speak of are going to come to medicare/medicare, education, healthcare, social services, as well as general government it is not going to be as easy as you think. This is why I say Palin represents a small "clique" (thank you for the correction) because when it comes down to the actual nuts and bolts you won't find popular or congressional support.

 

[LuckyDan]

Speaking of Elites....did you know she fly's to get to her bus, right before she stoped for her book tour.

Rubes.

Zonedout, do you have problems retaining factual information? The fucking book tour was organized and paid for by her publishers. They make the arrangements - they decide what transport is used, when and where to... It has nothing to do with Palin - she just gets told what arrangements have been made.

There are plenty of issues on which to legitimately attack Palin... Why can not one fucking liberal come up with the legitimate stuff? Are none of you intelligent enough to work out where her legitimate weak points are? If I felt so inclinded I could argue her supporters into the ground on really legitimate fact based issues. Why can not one of you do the same?

She...she used the bus to show how she is one of the regular people....yet she flew around to get to that bus. She is not one of the regular people. She is a joke and the real republicans out there know it. A real republican is one who said, oh my god, McCain picked who? Oh dear god. We have to support this? We have to act as though this was a good idea? Those guys.

Not Rush, not Hannity, not anyone like that. Real republicans. (I know I know, they say they are not republicans, but they are.)

You mean the ones who leave conservative principles behind in an effort to reach out to moderates, then get their asses handed to them at the polls? Those Republicans?

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Well, the Republicans didn't choose her. McCain did. She was not on any primary ballot.
I do think that she is one of the few reasons he got a single state in the last election. Before he picked her, I was going to skip the presidential line. I much preferred her to him.

 

[Samson]

She could also be talking about the rocks in her head. Thanks for making the point of the OP. So tell me, how are you going to vaguely reduce the size of government?

How would I do it?

I'd insist that my party run on the platform of a Balanced Budget Amendment, and The Line Item Veto. I'd also insist that the US Government Budget decrease 10%/year for the duration of my 4 year presidency. Department heads would have te authority to decrease costs that would acheive these budget goals.

A balanced budget amendment and line item veto you have to get through the supreme court and to accomplish your budget it would be through veto with a congressional override. When people understand that the budget cuts you speak of are going to come to medicare/medicare, education, healthcare, social services, as well as general government it is not going to be as easy as you think. This is why I say Palin represents a small "clique" (thank you for the correction) because when it comes down to the actual nuts and bolts you won't find popular or congressional support.

You could be right. And I'm certain that it wouldn't be easy

This is why we have an election: Easier than a shooting War of Revolution to destroy unjust government. If Palin's opinions indeed reflect those of a small clique, then so be it.

 

[California Girl]

I was going to reply to this topic, but California Girl and Samson made all my points, so I will just refer you to their posts.

But I do think it speaks volumes that they do fear her so much. Her ideas do resonate with large numbers of people, and she is charming and fun.

What are her idea? If they resonate with you then what are they?

Can we just clarify one thing..... Palin is not running for POTUS! What the hell difference does it make what she does, says or thinks? If she runs, then have a debate but this obsession makes the liberals look seriously OCD.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

How are you drawing that conclusion? Palin continually says she represents 'average'. She doesn't. She represents a click of small thinking individuals...their IQ I have no idea and is irrelevant. Government has function. ...

Clique.

You meant to say that "She represents a clique of small thinking individuals...."

So Palin's ideas are the ideas of a group of intelligent dwarves? Is Peter saying that tall people are stupid?
</sarcasm>

 

[California Girl]

How are you drawing that conclusion? Palin continually says she represents 'average'. She doesn't. She represents a click of small thinking individuals...their IQ I have no idea and is irrelevant. Government has function. If you want it minimal then you have to actually reduce that function. So what are the departments, agencies, and individuals she is going to eliminate? Isn't that a fair question? Does that mean I think those who support her stupid? No. Palin is ignorant as are those that support her. Stupidity and ignorance are often shared but not the same...

My point is that you cannot know who she resonates with. Therefore, you cannot know if it is a "small click of small thinking individuals".

Your questions are fair about what she stands for.... If she was running for POTUS. She is not. If and when she does, then I'm happy to debate Palin. Until then, this obsession from the left with Palin is nothing more than fluff. If you don't mind being fluffy, have at it. But it is really damned stupid.

Perhaps its fun to constantly throw her in the faces of the republicans. It is fun showing how wrong they were for picking her. Actually its their fault we keep throwing this dolt's actions in their faces. They picked her.

Palin 2012!

McCain picked her. Why can't you never get one single solitary fact straight?

Genuine question: Is terminal stupidity painful?

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Genuine question: Is terminal stupidity painful?

Yes, but not to the stupid person

 

[rightwinger]

My point is that you cannot know who she resonates with. Therefore, you cannot know if it is a "small click of small thinking individuals".

Your questions are fair about what she stands for.... If she was running for POTUS. She is not. If and when she does, then I'm happy to debate Palin. Until then, this obsession from the left with Palin is nothing more than fluff. If you don't mind being fluffy, have at it. But it is really damned stupid.

Perhaps its fun to constantly throw her in the faces of the republicans. It is fun showing how wrong they were for picking her. Actually its their fault we keep throwing this dolt's actions in their faces. They picked her.

Palin 2012!

McCain picked her. Why can't you never get one single solitary fact straight?

Genuine question: Is terminal stupidity painful?

Terminally stupid people don't start sentences with "Why can't you never". People with certificates from Oxford University avoid double negatives.

Isn't "one single solitary" redundant? You can look that up in your Oxford Dictionary

.

 

[Samson]

McCain picked her. Why can't you never get one single solitary fact straight?

Genuine question: Is terminal stupidity painful?

Where is the real Cali Girl and where are you hiding her?

CG would never post this frequently without ever using the "F-word."

 

[PeterS]

Here's my problem with what you say. You can't decide who she speaks on behalf of... that is for each individual to decide for themselves.

She does not speak for me, but I am smart enough to recognize that she may well speak for a substantial amount of ordinary Americans - not necessarily those of below average IQ. Your problem is you think that anyone who disagrees with you has a below average IQ. That's because you're not smart enough to recognize that people have a right to hold their own opinion... that opinion doesn't make them stupid.

How are you drawing that conclusion? Palin continually says she represents 'average'. She doesn't. She represents a click of small thinking individuals...their IQ I have no idea and is irrelevant. Government has function. If you want it minimal then you have to actually reduce that function. So what are the departments, agencies, and individuals she is going to eliminate? Isn't that a fair question? Does that mean I think those who support her stupid? No. Palin is ignorant as are those that support her. Stupidity and ignorance are often shared but not the same...

My point is that you cannot know who she resonates with. Therefore, you cannot know if it is a "small click of small thinking individuals".

Your questions are fair about what she stands for.... If she was running for POTUS. She is not. If and when she does, then I'm happy to debate Palin. Until then, this obsession from the left with Palin is nothing more than fluff. If you don't mind being fluffy, have at it. But it is really damned stupid.

Why is my question only fair if she is running for president? She represents a very distinct slice of American ideological thinking...thinking that is largely defined by vague generalities. How do you think you can gain support of the actual average if you can't tell us what and how you are going to accomplish what you believe? Do you even know what you believe? I cannot tell for all the vague generalities...

 

[California Girl]

Speaking of Elites....did you know she fly's to get to her bus, right before she stoped for her book tour.

Rubes.

Zonedout, do you have problems retaining factual information? The fucking book tour was organized and paid for by her publishers. They make the arrangements - they decide what transport is used, when and where to... It has nothing to do with Palin - she just gets told what arrangements have been made.

There are plenty of issues on which to legitimately attack Palin... Why can not one fucking liberal come up with the legitimate stuff? Are none of you intelligent enough to work out where her legitimate weak points are? If I felt so inclinded I could argue her supporters into the ground on really legitimate fact based issues. Why can not one of you do the same?

She...she used the bus to show how she is one of the regular people....yet she flew around to get to that bus. She is not one of the regular people. She is a joke and the real republicans out there know it. A real republican is one who said, oh my god, McCain picked who? Oh dear god. We have to support this? We have to act as though this was a good idea? Those guys.

Not Rush, not Hannity, not anyone like that. Real republicans. (I know I know, they say they are not republicans, but they are.)

I'm sorry for you, Zona, I really am. You are, I think, beyond help. She.... she.... she... had no say whatsoever in the mode of transport..... that.... that.... that... was the organization of the publisher. No matter how you want to spin it, it just is not true. You cannot hold her responsible for honoring a contractual obligation.

I feel sorry for you. I really do. You are so OCD about certain subjects that even the damned liberals here don't take you seriously. How fucking embarrassing is that for you?