Palin Brown show true progressive colors

How long did it take for the Far Right to be dumped by Brown? by Palin?


(However, the Far Righties are known for very short attention spans, so this is a no-risk support by those two)

Palin has always embraced them, brown never has see link.

There is a difference if you are paying attention.

Oh, that's why she's stumping for McCain? Ok.

Wow everything is black or white....blue or red....with you then huh?

Maybe she feels obligated to McCain for his helping her launch her nationally and wants to help him if she can. She knows the right and far right like her and dont like mccain as much and figures if she can bring them in she is helping McCain.

Political strategy :eusa_whistle:
 
I do not see how McCain is going to win.

He is a Republian so the efties hate him!

He is a moderate so the righties hate him!

He suck as a moderate so moderates hate him!

So who is going to votfor him?? The illegal immigrants??
 
Palin has always embraced them, brown never has see link.

There is a difference if you are paying attention.

Oh, that's why she's stumping for McCain? Ok.

Wow everything is black or white....blue or red....with you then huh?

Maybe she feels obligated to McCain for his helping her launch her nationally and wants to help him if she can. She knows the right and far right like her and dont like mccain as much and figures if she can bring them in she is helping McCain.

Political strategy :eusa_whistle:

You have to know when to cut the ties that bind you, especially when the other end is hitched to an anchor .
 
Palin Brown show true progressive colors
According to right wing fruitcakes like Beck, that makes them Hitler loving Maoists. :rofl:

History according to Glenn Beck - Michael Calderone - POLITICO.com

But Fox News wasn't focusing on the day's news. Instead, host Glenn Beck ran through the atrocities of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Ernesto 'Che' Guevara — "the true unseen history of Marxism, progressivism and communism" as Beck described it — with some implied lessons for today.
 
Palin Brown show true progressive colors
According to right wing fruitcakes like Beck, that makes them Hitler loving Maoists. :rofl:

History according to Glenn Beck - Michael Calderone - POLITICO.com

But Fox News wasn't focusing on the day's news. Instead, host Glenn Beck ran through the atrocities of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Ernesto 'Che' Guevara — "the true unseen history of Marxism, progressivism and communism" as Beck described it — with some implied lessons for today.

You can't even find something factually wrong with his "documentary" to complain about?!?!?!

C'mon ed find something he got wrong to rail on beck for....to give him shit for presenting a "history documentary" instead of doing his usual ranting is pretty weak.
 
Palin Brown show true progressive colors
According to right wing fruitcakes like Beck, that makes them Hitler loving Maoists. :rofl:

History according to Glenn Beck - Michael Calderone - POLITICO.com

But Fox News wasn't focusing on the day's news. Instead, host Glenn Beck ran through the atrocities of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Ernesto 'Che' Guevara — "the true unseen history of Marxism, progressivism and communism" as Beck described it — with some implied lessons for today.
Judge for yourself

http://www.usmessageboard.com/media/102324-live-free-or-die.html
Revolutionary Holocaust airs Friday, January 22 at 5p ET on the Fox News Channel...

A groundbreaking hour long special where Glenn Beck takes us back in time to examine the roots of socialism and communism and the evil that followed. We all know about the horrors of the holocaust where the pure evil Hitler inspired claimed the lives of millions of innocent people. But most do not know about the millions upon millions of lives lost in a different genocide of the Ukrainian people under the Stalin regime. This special also takes a look behind the iconic fashion symbol of Che Guevara showing that the myth doesn't tell the story of the man who was a blood thirsty killer. We meet a family who saw first hand what a monster the man was. They know the cost of communism and you will too when you hear their story, and who can forget about Mao Zedong? A leader responsible for 70-million deaths during his reign. All communist. All killers. We will show you things you've never seen but need to.

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CONTRIBUTING EXPERTS
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Edvins Snore

Edvins Snore

Edvins Snore is both the author of ‘The Soviet Story’ script and the director of the film.

‘The Soviet Story’ is his debut feature documentary. The film won the Jury’s “Mass Impact Award” at the 2008 Boston Film Festival, has been shown on national television in Europe and is now screening on public broadcasting TV stations in the United States. The film has been translated into 30 languages.

As a Master of Political Science, Edvins Snore studied the subject and collected materials for the film over 10 years.

‘The Soviet Story’ was filmed over 2 years in Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, Germany, France, UK and Belgium. As a result, ‘The Soviet Story’ presents a truly unique insight into recent Soviet history, told by people, once Soviet citizens, who have firsthand knowledge of it.

Taras Hunczak

is a professor emeritus at Rutgers University in Newark, New Jersey. He lectures in Ukrainian, Russian, and East-European history.

Dr. Hunczak's publications include:

- Russian Imperialism from Ivan the Great to the Revolution;
- The Ukraine, 1917-1921: A Study in Revolution;
- On the Horns of a Dilemma: The Story of the Ukrainian Division Halychyna;
- Symon Petliura and the Jews: A reappraisal (Ukrainian Jewish studies);
- Ukraine: The Challenges of World War II

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqGRI7lRgoM]YouTube - Glenn Beck special revoutionary holocaust part 2.wmv[/ame]

Publications in Ukrainian include:

- Ukraina—persha polovyna XX stolittia: Narysy politychnoi istorii;
- Symon Petliura ta ievrei;
- U mundyrakh voroha
- Shevchenko Scientific Society Opens its Holodomor Archive
- Ukrainian Congress Committee of America

Jonah Goldberg
Author Liberal Fascism

Jonah Goldberg was the founding editor of National Review Online and is currently editor-at-large of NRO. He is a Pulitzer-nominated columnist for The Los Angeles Times. His column is carried by the Chicago Tribune, New York Post, Dallas Morning News and scores of other papers. His first book, Liberal Fascism, was a #1 New York Times and Amazon bestseller and was selected as the #1 history book of 2008 by Amazon readers. He is a member of the Board of Contributors to USA Today and previously served as a columnist for theTimes of London, Brill’s Content and the American Enterprise. His writings have appeared in the Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Christian Science Monitor, Commentary, The New Yorker, Food and Wine and numerous other publications. He is currently a Fox News Contributor.

UKRAINE HOLODOMOR CONSULTANTS
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Video: Ukraine famine genocide survivor interviews

Damian Kolody, Filmmaker

Damian Kolody is a writer and independent filmmaker based in New York City. He also freelances as an editor and videographer. His award winning "The Orange Chronicles" is a feature documentary on Ukraine's Orange Revolution that has screened throughout North America and Europe. He is also working on compiling a video archive documenting eyewitness testimony from the few survivors left of the 1933 Famine in Ukraine, which he hopes will serve in educating the public about this tragedy.

OrangeChronicles

Nigel Colley

Nigel Colley is the great nephew of Gareth Jones, a young Welsh Journalist of worldwide repute for internationally exposing the 1932-33 Holodomor, & believed to have been politically murdered in his prime by Chinese bandits in 1935. Nigel and his family have devoted their lives to educating the public about Gareth Jones and the horrors of the Holodomor that he tried to show the world.

- Famine Exposure Newspaper Articles relating to Gareth Jones' trips to The Soviet Union

ERNESTO CHE GUEVARA EXPERTS

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Humberto Fontova

Humberto Fontova

Cuban-born author, columnist and public-speaker. He holds an M.A in Latin American Studies from Tulane University and is the author of four books including Fidel Hollywood's Favorite Tyrant and Exposing the Real Che Guevara and the Useful Idiots Who Idolize Him.

- Fidel Hollywood's Favorite Tyrant
- Exposing the Real Che Guevara and the Useful Idiots Who Idolize Him

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Nick Gillespie

Editor in Chief, Reason.com and Reason.tv

Nick Gillespie is editor in chief of Reason.tv and Reason.com, which draws 2.5 million visits per month and features the staff weblog Hit & Run, and others as one of the best political blogs.

Gillespie served as Reason magazine's editor in chief from 2000 to 2008. Under his direction, Reason won the 2005 Western Publications Association "Maggie" Award for Best Political Magazine. Gillespie originally joined Reason's staff in 1993 as an assistant editor and ascended to the top slot in 2000. In 2004, Gillespie edited the book Choice: The Best of Reason, an anthology of the magazine's best articles.

Gillespie's work has appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, The Los Angeles Times, The New York Post, Slate, Salon, Time.com, Marketplace, and numerous other publications.

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Che Guevara Consultants

- Pedro Corzo, creator/producer “Anatomy of a Myth”
- Victims Memorial

MAO ZEDONG EXPERTS
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Lee Edwards

Lee Edwards

Lee Edwards is widely regarded as the chief historian of the American conservative movement. He has published more than 15 books about the leading individuals and institutions of American conservatism, including biographies of Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater and a history of The Heritage Foundation.

He published To Preserve and Protect: The Life of Edwin Meese III in 2005. It is a biography of Meese, the 75th U.S. Attorney General, a Reagan adviser for more than 30 years – and Heritage's Ronald Reagan Distinguished Fellow in Public Policy.

A second offering in 2005 revisited a favorite subject: Ronald Reagan. A year after the former president's death, Edwards – who published the first Reagan biography in 1967 – thought he should write another to help keep the memory alive. The 187-page result, The Essential Ronald Reagan: A Profile in Courage, Justice and Wisdom, covers Reagan's life and impact on America in a way that led one Amazon.com reviewer to write, "This book is essential for anyone wanting to learn about Ronald Reagan – especially those who are reading about him for the first time."

Edwards, Heritage's Distinguished Fellow in Conservative Thought, also serves as an Adjunct Professor of Politics at the Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. He is chairman of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, which reached an important goal in 2007: the creation of an international memorial in Washington to the more than 100 million victims of communism.

Modeled after the statue created by Chinese students in 1989 before the Tiananmen Square massacre, the memorial stands at the intersection of Massachusetts Avenue NW and New Jersey Avenue NW. President George W. Bush helped dedicate it on June 12, 2007, saying that while we will never know the names of all who perished, "at this sacred place, communism's unknown victims will be consecrated to history and remembered forever."

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Jung Chang

Jung Chang

Jung Chang is a Chinese-born British writer now living in London, best known for her family autobiography Wild Swans: Three Daughters of China, selling over 10 million copies worldwide but banned in mainland China.

Her 832-page biography of Mao Zedong, Mao: The Unknown Story, written with her husband, the British historian Jon Halliday, was published in June 2005 and is a highly critical description of Mao Zedong's life and work.

Glenn Beck - Current Events & Politics - The Revolutionary Holocaust
 
Damn...I somehow got caught in the trap of arguing with Party liners.

You are the party hack. I have no party.
Im a conservative America who is fighting against the progressive movement .
Without regard to party affiliation.

Am I?

And you decided this based on what?

What kind of conservative are you? Social? Fiscal? Evangelical? Tea Party? Goldwater? Do you even know?
 
Damn...I somehow got caught in the trap of arguing with Party liners.

You are the party hack. I have no party.
Im a conservative America who is fighting against the progressive movement .
Without regard to party affiliation.

Am I?

And you decided this based on what?

What kind of conservative are you? Social? Fiscal? Evangelical? Tea Party? Goldwater? Do you even know?
Ok your not ,I dont care.Im not the topic here you keep avoiding the topic
I understand.
McCain vows to fight global warming
Email|Link|Comments (38)Posted by John Yemma January 7, 2008 04:30 PM
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff

CONCORD, N.H. -- In his final push for a primary victory, Senator John McCain arrived here this afternoon and made a pitch that might have surprised voters: He cast himself as the environmentalist of the presidential campaign.

"I will clean up the planet," McCain said. "I will make global warming a priority.

McCain vows to fight global warming - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

We'll argue the merits of the stance later.

But am I to take it from these posts that you consider McCain a Progressive sympathizer based on his willingness to cross party lines when needed and a statement made about global warming that does not conform to the extremist view?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsKiA3Myyw&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - McCain Flip-Flops On Tax Cuts[/ame]

I have no problem with bipartisan politics when needed. Party line extremism that dictates the idea that either one of the parties holds all the answers that destroying this country.
McCain seems to always find common ground with progressives without regard to party affiliation. Progressivism is an ideology not a party.

Example?
Political expediency caused him to put on the cloak of conservatism his record says something else

McCain, the Arizona senator, dismayed Latinos last year when he stepped back from his immigration bill that would have tightened the borders and legalized undocumented immigrants. As boos and hisses from angry Republican conservatives grew louder at campaign events, he switched course and vowed to “first” secure the borders. Were his failed bill to come up again, he would not vote for it, he said.

McCain?s immigration zigzag - Gebe Martinez - POLITICO.com

McCain vows to fight global warming
Email|Link|Comments (38)Posted by John Yemma January 7, 2008 04:30 PM
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff

CONCORD, N.H. -- In his final push for a primary victory, Senator John McCain arrived here this afternoon and made a pitch that might have surprised voters: He cast himself as the environmentalist of the presidential campaign.

"I will clean up the planet," McCain said. "I will make global warming a priority.

McCain vows to fight global warming - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

This is the low hanging fruit.
You can argue that McCain has no core beliefs at all and there for cannot be a progressive and in that you may have a point , a rather dull one, but a point never the less.
Go ahead and support McCain.
Im in florida, I wont be moving back to Arizona anytime soon to cancel your vote.
I have to stop Charlie Crist.
 
You are the party hack. I have no party.
Im a conservative America who is fighting against the progressive movement .
Without regard to party affiliation.

Am I?

And you decided this based on what?

What kind of conservative are you? Social? Fiscal? Evangelical? Tea Party? Goldwater? Do you even know?
Ok your not ,I dont care.Im not the topic here you keep avoiding the topic
I understand.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsKiA3Myyw&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - McCain Flip-Flops On Tax Cuts[/ame]

McCain seems to always find common ground with progressives without regard to party affiliation. Progressivism is an ideology not a party.

Example?
Political expediency caused him to put on the cloak of conservatism his record says something else

McCain, the Arizona senator, dismayed Latinos last year when he stepped back from his immigration bill that would have tightened the borders and legalized undocumented immigrants. As boos and hisses from angry Republican conservatives grew louder at campaign events, he switched course and vowed to “first” secure the borders. Were his failed bill to come up again, he would not vote for it, he said.

McCain?s immigration zigzag - Gebe Martinez - POLITICO.com

McCain vows to fight global warming
Email|Link|Comments (38)Posted by John Yemma January 7, 2008 04:30 PM
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff

CONCORD, N.H. -- In his final push for a primary victory, Senator John McCain arrived here this afternoon and made a pitch that might have surprised voters: He cast himself as the environmentalist of the presidential campaign.

"I will clean up the planet," McCain said. "I will make global warming a priority.

McCain vows to fight global warming - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

This is the low hanging fruit.
You can argue that McCain has no core beliefs at all and there for cannot be a progressive and in that you may have a point , a rather dull one, but a point never the less.
Go ahead and support McCain.
Im in florida, I wont be moving back to Arizona anytime soon to cancel your vote.
I have to stop Charlie Crist.

No, I'm not avoiding the topic. I am trying to figure out these new politics. You are presenting his willingness to cross the isle and practice a non-partisan politics when needed as proof that McCain is somehow a "progressive" while at the same time protesting that you are not a party mouth piece. What you have posted so far show's that he is nothing more than a modern politician. All you are doing is proving that you are a political, party line hack basing your opinion on the man solely by your inflexible platform.
 
Palin Brown show true progressive colors
According to right wing fruitcakes like Beck, that makes them Hitler loving Maoists. :rofl:

History according to Glenn Beck - Michael Calderone - POLITICO.com

But Fox News wasn't focusing on the day's news. Instead, host Glenn Beck ran through the atrocities of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Ernesto 'Che' Guevara — "the true unseen history of Marxism, progressivism and communism" as Beck described it — with some implied lessons for today.

You can't even find something factually wrong with his "documentary" to complain about?!?!?!

C'mon ed find something he got wrong to rail on beck for....to give him shit for presenting a "history documentary" instead of doing his usual ranting is pretty weak.


Question--how is Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Guevara related to progressivism?

Or is Progressivism "Barbarianism" with a cool sounding name??
 
The policies he is willing to support( cross over to support) are left wing progressive stances, that he only abandons when it is election time.

Open borders, tax the rich schemes and global warming nuttery are progressive policies ,That should never be supported.

It isnt bipartisan its abandonment of conservative principals

So as I said
You can argue that McCain has no core beliefs at all and there for cannot be a progressive and in that you may have a point , a rather dull one, but a point never the less.
Thats not good enough anymore.
 
According to right wing fruitcakes like Beck, that makes them Hitler loving Maoists. :rofl:

History according to Glenn Beck - Michael Calderone - POLITICO.com

But Fox News wasn't focusing on the day's news. Instead, host Glenn Beck ran through the atrocities of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Ernesto 'Che' Guevara — "the true unseen history of Marxism, progressivism and communism" as Beck described it — with some implied lessons for today.

You can't even find something factually wrong with his "documentary" to complain about?!?!?!

C'mon ed find something he got wrong to rail on beck for....to give him shit for presenting a "history documentary" instead of doing his usual ranting is pretty weak.


Question--how is Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Guevara related to progressivism?

Or is Progressivism "Barbarianism" with a cool sounding name??

Thanks for the softball. IF you are TRULY insterested read this entire post before commenting further.

As a political and economic system, socialism is government ownership and management of the means of production and distribution of goods, the control of money, and the abolition of profit and private property. These ideas also describe communism and progressivism.

Socialism originated at the end of the 18th century in several "social studies." The studies evaded the Enlightenment's giant strides in providing jobs and raising the standard of living of hundreds of thousands who had been far worse off before the advent of the Industrial Revolution.

In the 1840s, the term communism was coined to describe a militant form of socialism. Marx and Engels used the word in the title of their work, The Communist Manifesto, published in 1848. Later both Marx and Engels referred to themselves as socialists, and Marx's work remains the basis of socialist thought.

In 1878, a schism split communists from socialists. The socialists advocated "gradualism," the idea that capitalist society could be changed by reform from within. The communists advocated the violent overthrow of government. It was only a matter of methodology. They remained glued together by their fundamental ideas.

Progressivism started sometime after the Civil War as an attempt to help poor people through self-help programs operated by private charities. Progressives usurped the effort. They, too, evaded the advances achieved by the Industrial Revolution.

As early as the 1890s, progressives elected politicians who promised to take over utilities, improve city services and tenement housing codes. Other states joined in. By 1903 a wide range of progressive political and economic ideas were adopted to regulate railroads and utilities. They pressured government to raise corporate taxes. They advocated workmen's compensation---paid for by businesses---and child labor laws, which denied income to the very poor.

In 1906 progressives passed the Pure Food and Drug Act and the Meat Inspection Act. In 1913 progressives established the Federal Reserve. In 1914, they established the Federal Trade Commission and the Anti-Trust Act, extending government regulation of business. In 1916, they again raised corporate taxes, organized a railroad commission to set rates and established a conservation commission.

World War I interrupted the progressive's juggernaut lumbering toward total government control of the economy. However, it was resumed with the administration of Franklin Roosevelt, although now referred to as the welfare state. Another name, the same ideas.

The sameness of these doctrines, which many people believe represent different points of view, arises from a single source.

There are only two ways to regard man's relationship to society: either he has the right to live for his own sake, or he must live for others. Whichever principle you espouse places you in one or the other of opposing camps.

If you accept the principle that man has the right to live for his own sake, you are an individualist. If you believe that man must live for others, you are a collectivist.

If man has the right to live for his own sake, then that right must be protected and so, the initiation of physical force must be outlawed. In such a society no one's rights may be violated with impunity; so, government has only one job: to protect individual rights domestically by means of the courts and the police, and by means of the military in matters of foreign aggression. Individualism limits government.

In a society in which rights are protected and from which the initiation of physical force is banned, men are free to trade value for value as they choose, working at what they choose, disposing of their earnings and property as they see fit, enjoying their life as they like. This is capitalism, the economic system in which all property is privately owned.

Our constitution explicitly states the individual's right to life, property, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Enumerated, too, are freedoms that follow from individual rights---such as, for example, the freedom to peaceably assemble, the freedom to petition the government to redress wrongs, the freedom to keep and bear arms, and so forth.

If you believe that man must live for others, government becomes your ruler. There is no alternative. A large group seeking to plan and execute some plan requires by its nature a leader, or leadership. In a nation of people who believe man should live for others, the government becomes that leader simply by claiming that it represents everyone in the group.

But the government is a group of men. If you believe you must live for others, it is that group of men that will tell you what to do, how to do it and when to do it. It is that group of men that will regulate and control every aspect of your life, from hopscotch to hospital.

Progressivism, socialism, communism are all expressions of collectivism. But collectivism as repeatedly shown in countless examples throughout history cannot work. So, necessarily, the collectivist seeks an accommodation. He is willing to allow vestiges of capitalism, not too much but enough to keep the leaders in shoes and jets to fly to their vacation spots. All else is controlled and regulated by government, which is what we have today: A "mixed economy."

No matter how you describe him politically, Mr. Obama is a collectivist. It doesn't matter whether you say he's a socialist, a progressive or a communist. It all adds up to collectivism. It all adds up to---like it or not, accept it or not---everyone being forced to live for others.

The question is: why should men live for others when they can better live their own life? They "should," according to collectivists, because it gives collectivists power over men's actions, which is what all forms of collectivism are about.

So, if you wonder about those who seek power over other men, it's instructive to recognize that all collectivist doctrines depend on the values that the able create.

Consider, for instance, the slogans of both socialism and communism. Socialists declare, "From each according to his ability; to each according to work performed." Communists declare, "From each according to his ability; to each according to his need."

Notice "from each." Who are they? They are the men of ability. If you're one, you might want to think about whether you want to be an individualist or a collectivist when you cast your next vote.


http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5630
 
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According to right wing fruitcakes like Beck, that makes them Hitler loving Maoists. :rofl:

History according to Glenn Beck - Michael Calderone - POLITICO.com

But Fox News wasn't focusing on the day's news. Instead, host Glenn Beck ran through the atrocities of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Ernesto 'Che' Guevara — "the true unseen history of Marxism, progressivism and communism" as Beck described it — with some implied lessons for today.

You can't even find something factually wrong with his "documentary" to complain about?!?!?!

C'mon ed find something he got wrong to rail on beck for....to give him shit for presenting a "history documentary" instead of doing his usual ranting is pretty weak.


Question--how is Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Guevara related to progressivism?

Or is Progressivism "Barbarianism" with a cool sounding name??

sorry to quote you 2 times in a row but I had to make a detailed post for your first answer and i didn't want to distract from that post with this one.

I showed you the relation above now answer the question. What have you found about Beck's History Documentary that was factually incorrect? I'm sure he must have made at least one mistake right?
 
Their support for McCain is probably based on their personal relationships with him rather than political beliefs. I'm not covering for them but that is likely what's going on here. It is what it is.
 

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