Palin and the race card

[Madeline]

Flayglo, I doubt anyone in the US dislikes Palin more than I do, but her comments about the First Lady are not indefensible if your reading of the quote in question is as strained as Palin's apparently is. Like it or not, the future First Lady was in error/chose her words badly when she said "And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country."

Palin exploited this obvious speech error by suggesting that the First Lady is not patriotic, which BTW is not a racially charged POV.

You need to read from sources other than HuffPo, Flayglo....they ain't been doing a great job lately.

Try the Cleveland Plain Dealer.......

Sarah Palin quotes Ronald Reagan a lot; she should study him more: an op-ed | cleveland.com

Well I feel African Americans have a right to that opinion even if we take Palin's interpretation of Michelle Obama's quote, African Americans were treated as less than second class citizens for years, so if it makes some of us finally have some pride to have a black President so be it, if we were treated as equals the entire time we were in this country that would be a different story. What she said was not unpatriotic if viewed in a historical context to African Americans, on the contrary, we've been the most patriotic people in America, when the black separatists and white supremacists said go back to Africa or separate the overwhelming majority of African Americans stayed in America and fought for their rights as Americans and asserted that they were US citizens, when we were forced to live under racist segregation and to ride in the backs of buses and deprived of equality in our own country we served our country in WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, so don't dare even think Michelle Obama or any other black is somehow unpatriotic for finally "feeling proud" of their country.


EDIT: My response wasn't directed at you, it was directed at that monkey who replied after you.

In 2008, Mrs. Obama had two choices with regard to speaking on race, IMO. She could have said not one word on the subject and been Mrs. USA to us all -- the choice she has, for the most part, made. Or she could have spoken from the heart to both white and black Americans about race, about how it feels to be a black women in the US, etc.

The second conversation is very nuanced, requires maturity to hear and was not politically feasible for a candidate's wife. Mebbe after 2016, Michelle will share her inner life with us -- God willing, by then, we'll be ready to listen.

 

[rightwinger]

Flayglo, I doubt anyone in the US dislikes Palin more than I do, but her comments about the First Lady are not indefensible if your reading of the quote in question is as strained as Palin's apparently is. Like it or not, the future First Lady was in error/chose her words badly when she said "And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country."

Palin exploited this obvious speech error by suggesting that the First Lady is not patriotic, which BTW is not a racially charged POV.

You need to read from sources other than HuffPo, Flayglo....they ain't been doing a great job lately.

Try the Cleveland Plain Dealer.......

Sarah Palin quotes Ronald Reagan a lot; she should study him more: an op-ed | cleveland.com

Palin is very good at claiming that others are not patriotic

 

[Madeline]

Read my response monkey, Michelle Obama was not being unpatriotic, look at how blacks have been treated in America, you should be shocked to find patriotic blacks.

Michelle was being unpatriotic. She sure has hell as a lot to be thankful for about her country.

Michelle Obama was not being facking unpatriotic, if she was what about all the rightwingers slandering Obama?

Well, first two wrongs don't make a right. Second, let's not be naive. The first black POTUS was not going to be embraced by every American like the Second Coming. Michelle was in a highly visible position and did do and has done exactly what she should have done....conduct herself with great dignity and totally ignore the haters.

I always have thought this is one extraordinairly brave woman. I have no doubt she loves her husband, yet she was willing to allow him to risk his life...and hers, and the kids' lives. The First Lady is a heroine to me, Flayglo....but she ain't perfect. She made this one little mistake in speaking and it is cheap and sleazy of Palin to be banging on her for it, but o well.

SSDD, yanno?

 

[Madeline]

Flayglo, I doubt anyone in the US dislikes Palin more than I do, but her comments about the First Lady are not indefensible if your reading of the quote in question is as strained as Palin's apparently is. Like it or not, the future First Lady was in error/chose her words badly when she said "And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country."

Palin exploited this obvious speech error by suggesting that the First Lady is not patriotic, which BTW is not a racially charged POV.

You need to read from sources other than HuffPo, Flayglo....they ain't been doing a great job lately.

Try the Cleveland Plain Dealer.......

Sarah Palin quotes Ronald Reagan a lot; she should study him more: an op-ed | cleveland.com

Palin is very good at claiming that others are not patriotic

Palin is forever referring to "real Americans". I'm assuming if elected, she'll be steadily banging on those of us who do not measure up in her eyes.....all people of color, all disabled people, all GLBT people, all poor people, all liberal minded people, all educated people, anyone who lives in a city, all the arts lovers, all environmentalists, anyone who is not "christian enough", all the endangered species supporters, all legal immigrants, all the lawyers, all the politicans (except her), all the media people, all Democrats, anyone in the GOP who isn't reactionary.....

Apparently, not many of us are gonna qualify as "real Americans", eh?

 

[California Girl]

Your own opinion based on lies and no facts, well i think you're a sleazeball racist and you hate it because you want me to believe you aren't when you know you are, but thats only my opinion, hehe

You're mistaking me for someone who gives a shit what you think?

I think you're obsessed with me. Please get over it. It's boring.

You're obsessed with me. Edited-We Do not Post about PM Content. Well, the Obamas could give a shat what you think, what makes you think you are important?

Damn, you are pathetic. Which one of us has the other as a sig comment? You. Which one of us announced on my profile page that they were leaving the board? You. Which one of us once referred to the other in their strap? You.

Believe board gossips if that makes you happy. Whoever it was is equally as stupid as you are. And.... I'm not interested in who it was.

 

[California Girl]

I apply the same standard that the left do with the right. I do this to highlight their own double standards. It's nothing short of moronic to accuse someone of playing the race card for voicing their opinion - as long as their opinion is evidenced by fact. Palin's statement comes from what Michelle Obama said... therefore, it is justifiable. Whether or not it is correct is not the issue... it is whether it is justifiable... and it is.

the double standard which i am pointing out is that you see 'justification' in palin's statement about m. obama:

"seems to believe...America -- at least America as it currently exists -- is a fundamentally unjust and unequal country." (from the OP)

while claiming that "speculating on what someone may or may not have meant is pretty fucking stupid."

wouldn't that mean that applying the same standard as you apply to others, that palin's statement is pretty fucking stupid. you called it 'justifiable'.

what gives?

Its justifiable to CG only because she also believes the Obamas are racists.

Here's an idea, Fail, why don't you let me respond to posts addressed to me, and you respond to those addressed to you? Saves you looking like a complete fucking moron.

 

[California Girl]

then what is the problem with what michelle obama said. without qualifying her statement with speculation about whether she's racist or unpatriotic or ungrateful, there's no argument here, is there?

alternatively, a double-standard is being projected by you and si modo over whose lines need reading between and whose don't.

I apply the same standard that the left do with the right. I do this to highlight their own double standards. It's nothing short of moronic to accuse someone of playing the race card for voicing their opinion - as long as their opinion is evidenced by fact. Palin's statement comes from what Michelle Obama said... therefore, it is justifiable. Whether or not it is correct is not the issue... it is whether it is justifiable... and it is.

Jesus Christ in a handbasket you can twist anything to excuse your silly partisanship.

I am far less partisan than you are, Ravi. In fact, you're too partisan to recognize anyone who isn't.

Idiot.

 

[NYcarbineer]

All that's worth noting here is that Palin is bringing up some worn out topic that has been talked to death on the internet and about everywhere else.

Palin is really little more than a bad example of a rightwing messageboard-er, who has little to contribute to a conversation than to spew out the rightwing cliches she's accumulated and memorized. We have Sean Hannity for that, Sarah, we don't need you to do it, lol.

And btw, the whole Reverend Wright thing, when that story actually was fresh and having its 15 minutes of fame?

The rightwing line was, Obama was toast.

How'd that work out, Sarah? Anyone?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I apply the same standard that the left do with the right. I do this to highlight their own double standards. It's nothing short of moronic to accuse someone of playing the race card for voicing their opinion - as long as their opinion is evidenced by fact. Palin's statement comes from what Michelle Obama said... therefore, it is justifiable. Whether or not it is correct is not the issue... it is whether it is justifiable... and it is.

Jesus Christ in a handbasket you can twist anything to excuse your silly partisanship.

I am far less partisan than you are, Ravi. In fact, you're too partisan to recognize anyone who isn't.

Idiot.

Your phoney pretense of not being partisan is what gives your partisanship an extra special repugnance.

 

[California Girl]

Jesus Christ in a handbasket you can twist anything to excuse your silly partisanship.

I am far less partisan than you are, Ravi. In fact, you're too partisan to recognize anyone who isn't.

Idiot.

Your phoney pretense of not being partisan is what gives your partisanship an extra special repugnance.

I'm right wing. I'm not a big fan of the GOP.... as most intelligent posters know. I'm not a fan of politicians generally..... but don't let facts get in the way of your bitching.

 

[Madeline]

Jesus Christ in a handbasket you can twist anything to excuse your silly partisanship.

I am far less partisan than you are, Ravi. In fact, you're too partisan to recognize anyone who isn't.

Idiot.

Your phoney pretense of not being partisan is what gives your partisanship an extra special repugnance.

Ha! "Not partisan" to such a degree that CG even defended Clarence Thomas in a discussion about the Anita Hill debacle.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/138807-clarence-thomas-drank-heavily-watched-porn.html

The chronic knee-jerk response to anything and anyone associated in her mind with the right by assuming the shape of a human pretzel is exactly why I finally put her on ignore. No analysis, no independent thought, just reguritating someone else's thoughts about why any and all conservatives and supposed conservatives are always correct. Always with an added bit of snottiness and a false claim of superiority. (She's richer, faster, smarter, more accomplished and sexier than anyone else on USMB, donca know.)

It's boring and I could write CG's posts myself, in my sleep. Mayhaps one day she'll grow up, find her Big Girl Panties and show a little backbone, but I doubt it. I assume in 20 more years, she'll sound just like WillowTree.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

It never ends with you does it Failgo.... one dumbass thread after another.

 

[California Girl]

I am far less partisan than you are, Ravi. In fact, you're too partisan to recognize anyone who isn't.

Idiot.

Your phoney pretense of not being partisan is what gives your partisanship an extra special repugnance.

Ha! "Not partisan" to such a degree that CG even defended Clarence Thomas in a discussion about the Anita Hill debacle.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/138807-clarence-thomas-drank-heavily-watched-porn.html

The chronic knee-jerk response to anything and anyone associated in her mind with the right by assuming the shape of a human pretzel is exactly why I finally put her on ignore. No analysis, no independent thought, just reguritatig someone else's thoughts about why any and all conservatives and supposed conservatives are always correct. Always with an added bit of snottiness and a false claim of superiority. (She's richer, faster, smarter, more accomplished and sexier than anyone else on USMB, donca know.)

It's boring and I could write CG's posts myself, in my sleep. Mayhaps one day she'll grow up, find her Big Girl Panties and show a little backbone, but I doubt it. I assume in 20 more years, she'll sound just like WillowTree.

I see Maddie's still regurgitating her lies.

I couldn't write Maddie's posts though - I can't dumb down far enough.

 

[Madeline]

It never ends with you does it Failgo.... one dumbass thread after another.

I dun see you start many threads, Soggy. Quit banging on Flayglo....put yourself out there with a POV and let's chew on your ass over it awhile, k?

He saw an article he wanted to discuss, and discuss it we are. Except all you have contributed so far to this thread are petty insults, and frankly, that's kinda sorta like white noise around here.

Man up or shut up, Soggy.

 

[Madeline]

Your phoney pretense of not being partisan is what gives your partisanship an extra special repugnance.

Ha! "Not partisan" to such a degree that CG even defended Clarence Thomas in a discussion about the Anita Hill debacle.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/138807-clarence-thomas-drank-heavily-watched-porn.html

The chronic knee-jerk response to anything and anyone associated in her mind with the right by assuming the shape of a human pretzel is exactly why I finally put her on ignore. No analysis, no independent thought, just reguritatig someone else's thoughts about why any and all conservatives and supposed conservatives are always correct. Always with an added bit of snottiness and a false claim of superiority. (She's richer, faster, smarter, more accomplished and sexier than anyone else on USMB, donca know.)

It's boring and I could write CG's posts myself, in my sleep. Mayhaps one day she'll grow up, find her Big Girl Panties and show a little backbone, but I doubt it. I assume in 20 more years, she'll sound just like WillowTree.

I see Maddie's still regurgitating her lies.

I couldn't write Maddie's posts though - I can't dumb down far enough.

You could not write my posts because you dun have my education and experience, nor my unique POV on Planet Earth. You do have such things of your own with which you could write, but you choose instead to reach for your handy dispenser box of Beckisms and that, my dear, is what makes you
b-o-r-i-n-g.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

It never ends with you does it Failgo.... one dumbass thread after another.

I dun see you start many threads, Soggy. Quit banging on Flayglo....put yourself out there with a POV and let's chew on your ass over it awhile, k?

He saw an article he wanted to discuss, and discuss it we are. Except all you have contributed so far to this thread are petty insults, and frankly, that's kinda sorta like white noise around here.

Man up or shut up, Soggy.

That is all Failgo is worth... put something up there other than petty race-baiting douchebaggery and links to insane, rant riddled Huff Puff posts and I will respond more favorably.

Until such time.....

Eat shit and die in a fire motherfucker.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

There I said it.

 

[Madeline]

It never ends with you does it Failgo.... one dumbass thread after another.

I dun see you start many threads, Soggy. Quit banging on Flayglo....put yourself out there with a POV and let's chew on your ass over it awhile, k?

He saw an article he wanted to discuss, and discuss it we are. Except all you have contributed so far to this thread are petty insults, and frankly, that's kinda sorta like white noise around here.

Man up or shut up, Soggy.

That is all Failgo is worth... put something up there other than petty race-baiting douchebaggery and links to insane, rant riddled Huff Puff posts and I will respond more favorably.

Until such time.....

Eat shit and die in a fire motherfucker.

I know I'm on the edge of my seat to learn more from you now that you have demonstrated such respect for your fellow Americans, Soggy.

Yanno, you have no legal obligation to behave like a first grader in every debate, correct?

 

[Gunny]

Geoffrey Dunn: Sarah Palin Slams Michelle Obama in Racially Charged Passage From New Book

Don't retreat, reload your race card and charge away.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I dun see you start many threads, Soggy. Quit banging on Flayglo....put yourself out there with a POV and let's chew on your ass over it awhile, k?

He saw an article he wanted to discuss, and discuss it we are. Except all you have contributed so far to this thread are petty insults, and frankly, that's kinda sorta like white noise around here.

Man up or shut up, Soggy.

That is all Failgo is worth... put something up there other than petty race-baiting douchebaggery and links to insane, rant riddled Huff Puff posts and I will respond more favorably.

Until such time.....

Eat shit and die in a fire motherfucker.

I know I'm on the edge of my seat to learn more from you now that you have demonstrated such respect for your fellow Americans, Soggy.

Yanno, you have no legal obligation to behave like a first grader in every debate, correct?

Look kiddo, there are many here that I have fun debating, they poke me, I poke back... it;s ok. But this constant barrage of bullshit, race baiting, imbecilic shit from nitwits like Flaylo, Truthmatters, etc. I Will not let go unabated. It's void of any humor and frankly, any thought other than ME GOOD, YOU BAD.

Tell your buddies to try to move a little, just a little beyond simplistic shitbaggery, and I will treat them accordingly.

Deal?