Palestinians used Bible as toilet paper

[freeandfun1]

I'd like to see Arabian's comment on this...

Muslims' desecration of holy book received little notice

Posted: May 18, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

While Muslims have responded with deadly outrage to the now-retracted report by Newsweek of alleged Quran desecration by U.S. interrogators, there was little outcry three years ago when Islamic terrorists holed up in Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity reportedly used the Bible as toilet paper.

Catholic priests in the church marking the spot where Jesus was believed to have been born said that during the five-week siege, Palestinians tore up some Bibles for toilet paper and removed many valuable sacramental objects, according to a May 15, 2002, report by the Washington Times.

Newsweek is under fire for a report in its May 9 edition that sparked protests and rioting across the Muslim world resulting in 17 dead, scores injured, relief buildings burned down and a setback to years of coalition-building against terrorists.

Newsweek's Periscope column written by Michael Isikoff and John Barry included a brief item alleging U.S. military investigators at the Guantanamo Bay prison found evidence that interrogators placed copies of the Quran down the toilet in an effort to get prisoners to talk.

Despite Newsweek's retraction, the outrage in the Muslim world continues.

In Saudi Arabia yesterday, the country's top religious authority, Grand Mufti Adul-Aziz al-Sheik, condemned the alleged desecration and called for an investigation "to alleviate the sorrow that befell Muslims."

"We condemn and denounce this criminal act against Muslims' most sacred item," al-Sheik said.

Afghanistan's government said Newsweek should be held responsible for damages caused by the demonstrations, and Pakistan said the magazine's apology and retraction were "not enough."

In contrast, during the 2002 church siege, the muted complaints of Christians under the Muslim-dominated Palestinian Authority gained little traction.

The Palestinian gunmen, members of Yasser Arafat's Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, seized church stockpiles of food and "ate like greedy monsters" until the food ran out, while more than 150 civilians went hungry, the Washington Times report said.

The indulgence lasted about two weeks into the 39-day siege, when the food and drink ran out, according to an account by four Greek Orthodox priests trapped inside. A church helper told the Times the quantity of food consumed by the gunmen in the first 15 days should have lasted six months.

Angry Orthodox priests showed reporters empty bottles of whiskey, champagne, vodka, cognac and French wine on the floor along with hundreds of cigarette butts.

"They should be ashamed of themselves. They acted like animals, like greedy monsters. Come, I will show you more," said one priest, who declined to give his name.

Computers were taken apart and a television set dismantled for use as a hiding place for weapons.

"You can see what repayment we got for 'hosting' these so-called guests," said Archbishop Ironius, according to the Times report.

 

[no1tovote4]

Oh Oh! Does this mean the Christians are going to riot and kill more Christians? Do I need to find cover?

 

[Bonnie]

I'd like to see Arabian's comment on this...

Muslims' desecration of holy book received little notice

There was none then and none since. That was back when the Palestinians took over the Chruch of the Holy Nativity back in 2002. They also desecrated statues, drank the church wine, tried to extort money..........

What Happened at the Church of the Nativity in April 2002?

Church

of the Nativity, Bethlehem

On April 2, 2002 armed Palestinian Arab terrorists forced their way into the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, one of Christianity's most sacred sites, the birthplace of Christ. In the midst of over 200 nuns and priests, they sought refuge from Operation Defensive Shield, the Israel Defense Forces action against suicide bombing activity originating from West Bank locations. For 38 days, until May 10, 2002, the world watched as the gunmen refused to surrender their positions inside the Church. Only Israeli restraint and respect for the Christian shrine prevented the Palestinian desecration from turning into its destruction.

Why was the IDF in Bethlehem at the time? In December, 1995, Israel had turned over control of Bethlehem to the Palestinian Authority, but the PA failed to quell terrorist activities. Quite the contrary; terrorism never stopped and after September 2000, increased dramatically with the al-Aqsa Intifada. In February and March, 2002, more than two dozen Israelis had died in five separate incidents of murder, bombings and gunfire within Israel and the territories, with over six dozen injured. In each case, the Fatah in Bethlehem claimed responsibility for the deaths.

In the first days of April 2002, an IDF Paratroop Brigade moved into the area to seek out and destroy explosives, arms factories and related terrorist infrastructure. A heavily armed band of terrorist gunmen, trying to evade the IDF, moved into Manger Square but found IDF troops and tanks ready for them. That triggered a planned and premediated Palestinian Arab operation to take over the Church of the Nativity.

IDF forces began negotiations to end the takeover. The Palestinian Arabs inside the church included many who were known terrorists and Israel demanded that they surrender. They were members of Palestinian groups on the U.S. Department of State Foreign Terrorist Organizations list, including several Hamas operatives who had killed innocent civilians. Also taking cover in the Church were Tanzim militia leaders from Yasir Arafat's Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) who were involved in recent suicide bombings, plus members of the Al Aqsa Brigade.

Israel identified the terrorist individuals by name and sought to take them into custody; the Palestinian Authority refused to transfer them into Israeli hands. Nor were representatives of other governments helpful in concluding the matter. An early agreement to end the standoff failed when Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi declined to accept the gunmen, saying that no one nation could be asked to take that responsibility, and the European Union needed to find an EU solution.

Israeli negotiating initiatives for humanitarian services during the siege were also rejected. Several efforts to remove injured persons and bodies of the dead were stymied by Palestinian Arab refusal to cooperate, and when International Red Cross representatives, recruited for the task by Israel, adamantly refused to enter the Church.

As IDF operations continued in the area, a nearby explosives laboratory was found and destroyed, and a large pipe bomb in an adjacent mosque was retrieved. Several Hamas and Tanzim operatives were arrested. Eventually some of the Palestinians inside begin surrendering, while occasional exchanges of gunfire occurred. Gradually, various church staff and trapped civilians were evacuated. One by one over time, 95 persons were released during the siege.

During the occupation of the Church of the Nativity, Yasir Arafat complained of the Israelis:

How could the world possibly be silent about this atrocious crime? ... What concerns me is what is happening at the Church of the Nativity. This is a crime that cannot be forgiven.
More objective observers, such as Ariel Cohen in the National Review, saw things more clearly:

Using priests and nuns as human shields in the most sacred location for Christianity is not just barbaric. It is a violation of the 1977 First Protocol to the Geneva Convention and is a war crime. Similar cases from the Balkan wars are heard today before the International Criminal Court in the Hague. Only brutal terrorists would desecrate religious shrines and hurt clergy ...
Under worldwide pressure not to damage or desecrate the Church of the Nativity, Israel insisted that the IDF would not attack. Palestinian Arabs played on fears of a bloodbath should Israel invade the Church, but throughout the siege, the IDF held to their promise that not a single Israeli soldier would enter Church premises. An IDF spokesman said:

IDF commanders have issued specific orders to protect the integrity and sanctity of all holy places in Bethlehem, just as we do in other areas.
A priest inside told the Associated Press that only in the early days he feared the Israelis would rush the building; he later relaxed when the Greek Orthodox patriarchy assured him the Israeli army had guaranteed it would not. While early reports alleged that the IDF had broken the front door, Marc Innaro, an Italian journalist who witnessed the events, said the Palestinians had shot their way in:

They shot at the doors ... with machine-guns and they opened the doors and rushed inside. We were in a monastery, which is very close, 25 metres near to the Nativity Church.
On May 1, a fire was seen from the distance, but upon investigation turned out to be another location, in an adjacent building. Palestinian Arab "witnesses" claimed that flares fired by Israeli soldiers sparked the blaze, but Israeli government spokesman Dore Gold responded that the fire was intentionally set by Palestinian Arab fighters holed up inside.

Finally, on May 10, after 38 days, the crisis concluded with a negotiated plan. Thirteen "senior terrorists" departed for Cyprus by British aircraft, to be dispersed among various EU nations. Twenty-six more were transported to the Gaza Strip where they were to be put on trial for terrorism. But their arrival in Gaza was greeted with a celebration and they were treated as heroes. One hundred twenty-four other Palestinian Arabs inside the Church were set free.

After the Palestinians' departure, the IDF was invited inside by Church officials to look for explosives or booby traps. An IDF spokesman said that 40 "explosive devices" were found in the Church compound. The IDF reported that seven Palestinians and no Israelis died in the confrontation at the Church.

The Church was not seriously damaged, but cooking utensils, trash, and clothing were strewn around. The debris of the occupation, and the smells of the unsanitary conditions, lingered.

Subsequent to release of the terrorists into European exile, more than fifty Congressmen wrote to United States Attorney-General Ashcroft, demanding that extradition be sought for two of them. Tanzim members Ibrahim Mussa Abayat and Jihad Yusef Halil Ja'ara had murdered an American citizen in Israel before fleeing to the Church of the Nativity. Under US law, individuals who commit acts of terrorism against American nationals may be prosecuted for such acts in the United States, regardless of where the acts took place. Congress has prodded the Executive Branch for enforcement of the law.

Sources and additional reading on this topic:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_church_nativity_2002.php

 

[theim]

Can you imagine if bunch of Crhistians seized Mecca? MY God, they would probly, literally tear themselves apart.

 

[5stringJeff]

Can you imagine if bunch of Crhistians seized Mecca? MY God, they would probly, literally tear themselves apart.

There would probably be a very literal battle for the city.

 

[Bonnie]

Can you imagine if bunch of Crhistians seized Mecca? MY God, they would probly, literally tear themselves apart.

I sure wouldn't want to be those christians.

 

[archangel]

I sure wouldn't want to be those christians.

Could'nt be any worse than being fed to the lions in Rome...then again with my luck I would get the lion with bad teeth...man that would hurt!

 

[007]

Can you imagine if bunch of Crhistians seized Mecca? MY God, they would probly, literally tear themselves apart.

Maybe we ought to do that. Then when we have all of them in one place, nuke the bastards 'till they glow. Problem solved.

 

[Adam's Apple]

There are so many threads going on about Newsweek that I didn't know where to stick this particular article. It deals with holding both Newsweek and the terrorists responsible, and also mentions the difference in how Christians and Muslims react in situations such as this, with references to the Palestinians using the Bible for toilet paper and the Saudis shredding the Bible. Instead of starting a new thread, I will stick it here since it does have some connection with your topic.

Assigning Blame Where Blame Is Due
By Frank Salvato for www.americandaily.com
5/20/05

Since my piece on Newsweek’s Quran desecration story, some have suggested that perhaps Newsweek isn’t totally to blame for the violent response in the Middle East. For the record, the opinion I expressed in “The Toilets in Cuba Aren’t Better Than Ours” was written to address Newsweek’s actions. The fact is I agree that there were other causes of the uprisings in Afghanistan and elsewhere in the land of over-the-top reactions.

Those who are trying to piggy-back the blame for the murderous and reactionary protests sparked by the Newsweek story onto the minor abuses at Abu Ghraib are guilty of the most disingenuous and appalling rewrite of recent history that media activism has ever concocted. A slaying at the hand of a fanatic is an atrocity. Humiliating incarcerated terrorists in an effort to gain information to prevent the deaths of innocents is not.

How an unvetted story published by a mainstream media source suddenly becomes anyone else’s fault but that of the reporters, their editors and the publication that employs them is astounding. Webster’s American Dictionary should start to use – officially – the descriptors “arrogance” and “repugnant” when defining the term “mainstream media.”

There is absolutely no responsibility employed by those who practice media activism. There is no responsibility employed by those in journalism who are lazy in the execution of their jobs, either. Activist journalists who take at face value unsubstantiated evidence because it favors their agenda risk catastrophic consequences. Whether they are hi-jacking public opinion through deception or contributing to the murders of innocents through incompetent reporting, a major portion of the blame rests with the mainstream media.

As negligent as Newsweek and its parent company The Washington Post were in publishing their unsubstantiated rumors, they can only be ascribed with part of the blame. An equal if not larger part of the blame for the 16 deaths and hundreds of injured should be assigned to the people who actually did the killing and the rioting.

http://www.americandaily.com/article/7827

 

[Zebra]

what to do about it?

 

[AqlAlim]

I'd like to see Arabian's comment on this...

Muslims' desecration of holy book received little notice

I condemn that act. Muslims shouldn't desecrate Bibles or insult Biblical prophets.