Palestinians Should Merge With Israel In A United State

P F Tinmore, GHook93, et al,

Yes, here is the rub...

Who gives a fuck what they think?
(COMMENT)

You have only 2 million (-) "Arab Palestinians" living in the west Bank and Gaza Strip; collectively know as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). And the are the remaining 3 million (+) "Arab Palestinians" living in the surrounding League of Arab States countries adjacent to the immediate area under conflict. (We'll leave the matter of the City State Arab Palestinians as something separate.)

If you do not consider these two groups as one --- you create an entirely new set of political and conflict problems.

• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians distinct and different from the external Arab Palestinians?
* Is one group of Arab Palestinians more deserving than the other?
• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians working on a distinctly separate outcome that benefits them alone?
• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians exercising a voice of their own and NOT considering the need for the externals.

There are more question, but you can see where this dilemma is going. It should not be the case that the external Arab Palestinian is without a voice in the process. Fore if that were to be true, then it is the case that the externals Arab Palestinians have no play in the destiny and formation of the State of Palestine ("Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967" --- A/RES/43/177); --- no self-determination. That would be denying them the very thing that the oPt Arab Palestinians have been arguing -- the right of self-determination. Without the voice, the external Arab Palestinians are doomed to an endless status as Palestinian refugees?

This is not even considering the consequences placed on the Israels. If the oPt Arab Palestinians come to a separate arrangement with the Israelis for "peace," but the external Arab Palestinian had no voice, then what would stop the external Palestinians from initiating a new conflict.

You can see the issues here. You might also be able to see the preference for a single low intensity conflict with just one group of Hostile Arab Palestinians, then to have ignited a second group, larger and potentially more powerful then the first.

BTW, The HAMAS claim is no more valid to the leadership than the

League of Arab States (LAS)
28 October 1974

1974? When are these people going to get off their ass? What have they done since 1974?

The Palestinians have done more in the last 10 years than the world has done in the last hundred.
(COMMENT)

The LAS gave the responsibility to the PLO. It is the PLO [the Uncooperative Arab Palestinians (UAP)], that started to take action, but then lost its momentum. And similarly, the HAMAS has only succeeded in the intensification of the conflict.

While the UAP and PLO have made headlines, they are actually no closer to peace then the were a decade ago.

Most Respectfully,
R
Indeed, the PLO has been going weird since the 70s and they sold out to the fake peace process of Oslo where the Palestinians have been going backward since.

In the last 10 - 15 years the Palestinians have embarked on a multi faceted, international educational campaign. That is changing the narrative in a positive direction.

Since you are so much more articulate than the original Tinmore, can you tell us if you are part of this plan, particularly belonging to the Muslim Student Association at some American college which tries to intimidate other students? You seem to know so much about what is going on. Tinmore himself never mentioned any plans. It would be great if you would let us in on some of thee plans just for curiosity's sake.
 
P F Tinmore, GHook93, et al,

Yes, here is the rub...

Who gives a fuck what they think?
(COMMENT)

You have only 2 million (-) "Arab Palestinians" living in the west Bank and Gaza Strip; collectively know as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). And the are the remaining 3 million (+) "Arab Palestinians" living in the surrounding League of Arab States countries adjacent to the immediate area under conflict. (We'll leave the matter of the City State Arab Palestinians as something separate.)

If you do not consider these two groups as one --- you create an entirely new set of political and conflict problems.

• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians distinct and different from the external Arab Palestinians?
* Is one group of Arab Palestinians more deserving than the other?
• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians working on a distinctly separate outcome that benefits them alone?
• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians exercising a voice of their own and NOT considering the need for the externals.

There are more question, but you can see where this dilemma is going. It should not be the case that the external Arab Palestinian is without a voice in the process. Fore if that were to be true, then it is the case that the externals Arab Palestinians have no play in the destiny and formation of the State of Palestine ("Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967" --- A/RES/43/177); --- no self-determination. That would be denying them the very thing that the oPt Arab Palestinians have been arguing -- the right of self-determination. Without the voice, the external Arab Palestinians are doomed to an endless status as Palestinian refugees?

This is not even considering the consequences placed on the Israels. If the oPt Arab Palestinians come to a separate arrangement with the Israelis for "peace," but the external Arab Palestinian had no voice, then what would stop the external Palestinians from initiating a new conflict.

You can see the issues here. You might also be able to see the preference for a single low intensity conflict with just one group of Hostile Arab Palestinians, then to have ignited a second group, larger and potentially more powerful then the first.

BTW, The HAMAS claim is no more valid to the leadership than the

League of Arab States (LAS)
28 October 1974

1974? When are these people going to get off their ass? What have they done since 1974?

The Palestinians have done more in the last 10 years than the world has done in the last hundred.
(COMMENT)

The LAS gave the responsibility to the PLO. It is the PLO [the Uncooperative Arab Palestinians (UAP)], that started to take action, but then lost its momentum. And similarly, the HAMAS has only succeeded in the intensification of the conflict.

While the UAP and PLO have made headlines, they are actually no closer to peace then the were a decade ago.

Most Respectfully,
R
Indeed, the PLO has been going weird since the 70s and they sold out to the fake peace process of Oslo where the Palestinians have been going backward since.

In the last 10 - 15 years the Palestinians have embarked on a multi faceted, international educational campaign. That is changing the narrative in a positive direction.







And who is running this show then tinny, who is the brains behind it. If they were so good they would have walked the elections and been in full control of gaza and the west bank. They would have eradicated hamas and fatah and would be living in peace with all their neighbours. The fag arafat would have been left destitute and the money he stole used for the benefit of the arab muslims. Best of all it would be found that they were foreigners from other islamic nations working with the Jews towards peace
 

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