Palestinians Should Merge With Israel In A United State

[P F Tinmore]

I started this thread on Monday and the head of security of Dubai was the person who was quoted in the OP. Since then a poll was taken in the territories and 46% of the people said they would rather have a confederation between Palestine and Jordan. Only 18% would accept an Arab-Israeli union. IMO the Palistinian-Jordanian union would be best for all concerned.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states'

More Palestinians prefer the establishment of a Jordanian-Palestinian confederation than a traditional two-state or one-state solution, a new public opinion poll has found.

An-Najah National University in Nablus randomly surveyed 1362 Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza Strip between October 13-15 on a variety of issues relevant to Palestinian politics and society.

Forty-six percent of Palestinians surveyed – 52% from the West Bank and 36% from the Gaza Strip – said they would support the establishment of a Palestinian-Jordanian confederation on the basis of two states with strong institutional relations.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states' - Middle East - Jerusalem Post

Only about 1/3 of the Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza. What did the rest think?

If they don't live there it doesn't matter, does it? They probably live in Paterson, NJ anyhow.

It does. BDS will continue until everybody is included.

 

[Hossfly]

I started this thread on Monday and the head of security of Dubai was the person who was quoted in the OP. Since then a poll was taken in the territories and 46% of the people said they would rather have a confederation between Palestine and Jordan. Only 18% would accept an Arab-Israeli union. IMO the Palistinian-Jordanian union would be best for all concerned.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states'

More Palestinians prefer the establishment of a Jordanian-Palestinian confederation than a traditional two-state or one-state solution, a new public opinion poll has found.

An-Najah National University in Nablus randomly surveyed 1362 Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza Strip between October 13-15 on a variety of issues relevant to Palestinian politics and society.

Forty-six percent of Palestinians surveyed – 52% from the West Bank and 36% from the Gaza Strip – said they would support the establishment of a Palestinian-Jordanian confederation on the basis of two states with strong institutional relations.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states' - Middle East - Jerusalem Post

Only about 1/3 of the Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza. What did the rest think?

If they don't live there it doesn't matter, does it? They probably live in Paterson, NJ anyhow.

It does. BDS will continue until everybody is included.

What does BDS have to do with the poll?

 

[Hollie]

I started this thread on Monday and the head of security of Dubai was the person who was quoted in the OP. Since then a poll was taken in the territories and 46% of the people said they would rather have a confederation between Palestine and Jordan. Only 18% would accept an Arab-Israeli union. IMO the Palistinian-Jordanian union would be best for all concerned.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states'

More Palestinians prefer the establishment of a Jordanian-Palestinian confederation than a traditional two-state or one-state solution, a new public opinion poll has found.

An-Najah National University in Nablus randomly surveyed 1362 Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza Strip between October 13-15 on a variety of issues relevant to Palestinian politics and society.

Forty-six percent of Palestinians surveyed – 52% from the West Bank and 36% from the Gaza Strip – said they would support the establishment of a Palestinian-Jordanian confederation on the basis of two states with strong institutional relations.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states' - Middle East - Jerusalem Post

Only about 1/3 of the Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza. What did the rest think?

If they don't live there it doesn't matter, does it? They probably live in Paterson, NJ anyhow.

It does. BDS will continue until everybody is included.

BDS will continue to be a failure just as a Pal'istanian State is a failure.

 

[Shusha]

It does. BDS will continue until everybody is included.

Why should foreigners have a say in what happens in Palestine?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I started this thread on Monday and the head of security of Dubai was the person who was quoted in the OP. Since then a poll was taken in the territories and 46% of the people said they would rather have a confederation between Palestine and Jordan. Only 18% would accept an Arab-Israeli union. IMO the Palistinian-Jordanian union would be best for all concerned.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states'

More Palestinians prefer the establishment of a Jordanian-Palestinian confederation than a traditional two-state or one-state solution, a new public opinion poll has found.

An-Najah National University in Nablus randomly surveyed 1362 Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza Strip between October 13-15 on a variety of issues relevant to Palestinian politics and society.

Forty-six percent of Palestinians surveyed – 52% from the West Bank and 36% from the Gaza Strip – said they would support the establishment of a Palestinian-Jordanian confederation on the basis of two states with strong institutional relations.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states' - Middle East - Jerusalem Post

Only about 1/3 of the Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza. What did the rest think?

If they don't live there it doesn't matter, does it? They probably live in Paterson, NJ anyhow.

It does. BDS will continue until everybody is included.

BDS will continue to be a failure just as a Pal'istanian State is a failure.

Israel does not share your mirth.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is something everyone should get a chuckle out of....

Only about 1/3 of the Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza. What did the rest think?

(CONSIDERATION)

• SOURCE --- The Arab Summit in 1974 recognized the PLO as the “sole and legitimate representative of the Palestinian people” and since then the PLO has represented Palestine at the United Nations, the Movement of Non-Aligned Countries (NAM), the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), and in many other fora.

• The Seventh Arab Summit Conference after exhaustive and detailed discussions: To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels.

(COMMENT)

This is strictly an issue for the Arab Palestinians and Arab League to answer.

It has been surmised, for several decades. that one of the main reasons that the the Arab Palestinians have not (in good faith) negotiated a peace is because the PA/PLO Leadership do not want the West Bank and Gaza Strip to be flooded by a huge influx of the 60% of the Arab Palestinians.

The Palestinians recognize that the Lebanese, Syrian and other Palestinians are parasitic in nature and would just bury West Bank and Gaza Strip economically.

Not everyone that wants a two-state solution is actually looking for a peaceful solutions.

• How are the remaining many thousands of Arab Palestinians going to physically move to the West Bank and Gaza Strip?
​

(REALISTICALLY)

How are they going to move and who is going to take care of them while they are on the move? (Ever seen locus migrate?)

The various Arab entities and Palestinian Leaders have not thought this out well.

What do you think is going to happen many tens of thousands of Arab Palestinians try to travers across Syria and down through Jordan?

What are the PA/PLO leaders of the West Bank going to do if many tens of thousand, maybe as many as few hundred thousand of Arab Palestinians show up, thirsty and starving, on their door steps?

Nobody wants that.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is something everyone should get a chuckle out of....

Only about 1/3 of the Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza. What did the rest think?

(CONSIDERATION)

• SOURCE --- The Arab Summit in 1974 recognized the PLO as the “sole and legitimate representative of the Palestinian people” and since then the PLO has represented Palestine at the United Nations, the Movement of Non-Aligned Countries (NAM), the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), and in many other fora.

• The Seventh Arab Summit Conference after exhaustive and detailed discussions: To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels.

(COMMENT)

This is strictly an issue for the Arab Palestinians and Arab League to answer.

It has been surmised, for several decades. that one of the main reasons that the the Arab Palestinians have not (in good faith) negotiated a peace is because the PA/PLO Leadership do not want the West Bank and Gaza Strip to be flooded by a huge influx of the 60% of the Arab Palestinians.

The Palestinians recognize that the Lebanese, Syrian and other Palestinians are parasitic in nature and would just bury West Bank and Gaza Strip economically.

Not everyone that wants a two-state solution is actually looking for a peaceful solutions.

• How are the remaining many thousands of Arab Palestinians going to physically move to the West Bank and Gaza Strip?
​

(REALISTICALLY)

How are they going to move and who is going to take care of them while they are on the move? (Ever seen locus migrate?)

The various Arab entities and Palestinian Leaders have not thought this out well.

What do you think is going to happen many tens of thousands of Arab Palestinians try to travers across Syria and down through Jordan?

What are the PA/PLO leaders of the West Bank going to do if many tens of thousand, maybe as many as few hundred thousand of Arab Palestinians show up, thirsty and starving, on their door steps?

Nobody wants that.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's not the plan.

BTW, the PA/PLO does not represent anyone anymore.

 

[Hossfly]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is something everyone should get a chuckle out of....

Only about 1/3 of the Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza. What did the rest think?

(CONSIDERATION)

• SOURCE --- The Arab Summit in 1974 recognized the PLO as the “sole and legitimate representative of the Palestinian people” and since then the PLO has represented Palestine at the United Nations, the Movement of Non-Aligned Countries (NAM), the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), and in many other fora.

• The Seventh Arab Summit Conference after exhaustive and detailed discussions: To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels.

(COMMENT)

This is strictly an issue for the Arab Palestinians and Arab League to answer.

It has been surmised, for several decades. that one of the main reasons that the the Arab Palestinians have not (in good faith) negotiated a peace is because the PA/PLO Leadership do not want the West Bank and Gaza Strip to be flooded by a huge influx of the 60% of the Arab Palestinians.

The Palestinians recognize that the Lebanese, Syrian and other Palestinians are parasitic in nature and would just bury West Bank and Gaza Strip economically.

Not everyone that wants a two-state solution is actually looking for a peaceful solutions.

• How are the remaining many thousands of Arab Palestinians going to physically move to the West Bank and Gaza Strip?
​

(REALISTICALLY)

How are they going to move and who is going to take care of them while they are on the move? (Ever seen locus migrate?)

The various Arab entities and Palestinian Leaders have not thought this out well.

What do you think is going to happen many tens of thousands of Arab Palestinians try to travers across Syria and down through Jordan?

What are the PA/PLO leaders of the West Bank going to do if many tens of thousand, maybe as many as few hundred thousand of Arab Palestinians show up, thirsty and starving, on their door steps?

Nobody wants that.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's not the plan.

BTW, the PA/PLO does not represent anyone anymore.

Who's in charge now?

 

[Shusha]

The only reasonable thing to do is to absorb the "refugees" into the nations in which they are already residing (which should have happened decades ago). If the Palestinians want to give them Palestinian citizenship as well -- so be it.

 

[Phoenall]

I started this thread on Monday and the head of security of Dubai was the person who was quoted in the OP. Since then a poll was taken in the territories and 46% of the people said they would rather have a confederation between Palestine and Jordan. Only 18% would accept an Arab-Israeli union. IMO the Palistinian-Jordanian union would be best for all concerned.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states'

More Palestinians prefer the establishment of a Jordanian-Palestinian confederation than a traditional two-state or one-state solution, a new public opinion poll has found.

An-Najah National University in Nablus randomly surveyed 1362 Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza Strip between October 13-15 on a variety of issues relevant to Palestinian politics and society.

Forty-six percent of Palestinians surveyed – 52% from the West Bank and 36% from the Gaza Strip – said they would support the establishment of a Palestinian-Jordanian confederation on the basis of two states with strong institutional relations.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states' - Middle East - Jerusalem Post

Only about 1/3 of the Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza. What did the rest think?

Who cares as under International law they should be assimilated into the nations they have moved to. If they dont then they can be deported.

 

[Phoenall]

I started this thread on Monday and the head of security of Dubai was the person who was quoted in the OP. Since then a poll was taken in the territories and 46% of the people said they would rather have a confederation between Palestine and Jordan. Only 18% would accept an Arab-Israeli union. IMO the Palistinian-Jordanian union would be best for all concerned.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states'

More Palestinians prefer the establishment of a Jordanian-Palestinian confederation than a traditional two-state or one-state solution, a new public opinion poll has found.

An-Najah National University in Nablus randomly surveyed 1362 Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza Strip between October 13-15 on a variety of issues relevant to Palestinian politics and society.

Forty-six percent of Palestinians surveyed – 52% from the West Bank and 36% from the Gaza Strip – said they would support the establishment of a Palestinian-Jordanian confederation on the basis of two states with strong institutional relations.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states' - Middle East - Jerusalem Post

Only about 1/3 of the Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza. What did the rest think?

If they don't live there it doesn't matter, does it? They probably live in Paterson, NJ anyhow.

It does. BDS will continue until everybody is included.

Including those who have never set foot in the area, can I claim to be a palestinian because I have seen pictures of gaza ?

 

[Phoenall]

I started this thread on Monday and the head of security of Dubai was the person who was quoted in the OP. Since then a poll was taken in the territories and 46% of the people said they would rather have a confederation between Palestine and Jordan. Only 18% would accept an Arab-Israeli union. IMO the Palistinian-Jordanian union would be best for all concerned.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states'

More Palestinians prefer the establishment of a Jordanian-Palestinian confederation than a traditional two-state or one-state solution, a new public opinion poll has found.

An-Najah National University in Nablus randomly surveyed 1362 Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza Strip between October 13-15 on a variety of issues relevant to Palestinian politics and society.

Forty-six percent of Palestinians surveyed – 52% from the West Bank and 36% from the Gaza Strip – said they would support the establishment of a Palestinian-Jordanian confederation on the basis of two states with strong institutional relations.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states' - Middle East - Jerusalem Post

Only about 1/3 of the Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza. What did the rest think?

If they don't live there it doesn't matter, does it? They probably live in Paterson, NJ anyhow.

It does. BDS will continue until everybody is included.

What does BDS have to do with the poll?

Nothing, just tinny deflecting again because he is losing the argument

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is something everyone should get a chuckle out of....

Only about 1/3 of the Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza. What did the rest think?

(CONSIDERATION)

• SOURCE --- The Arab Summit in 1974 recognized the PLO as the “sole and legitimate representative of the Palestinian people” and since then the PLO has represented Palestine at the United Nations, the Movement of Non-Aligned Countries (NAM), the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), and in many other fora.

• The Seventh Arab Summit Conference after exhaustive and detailed discussions: To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels.

(COMMENT)

This is strictly an issue for the Arab Palestinians and Arab League to answer.

It has been surmised, for several decades. that one of the main reasons that the the Arab Palestinians have not (in good faith) negotiated a peace is because the PA/PLO Leadership do not want the West Bank and Gaza Strip to be flooded by a huge influx of the 60% of the Arab Palestinians.

The Palestinians recognize that the Lebanese, Syrian and other Palestinians are parasitic in nature and would just bury West Bank and Gaza Strip economically.

Not everyone that wants a two-state solution is actually looking for a peaceful solutions.

• How are the remaining many thousands of Arab Palestinians going to physically move to the West Bank and Gaza Strip?
​

(REALISTICALLY)

How are they going to move and who is going to take care of them while they are on the move? (Ever seen locus migrate?)

The various Arab entities and Palestinian Leaders have not thought this out well.

What do you think is going to happen many tens of thousands of Arab Palestinians try to travers across Syria and down through Jordan?

What are the PA/PLO leaders of the West Bank going to do if many tens of thousand, maybe as many as few hundred thousand of Arab Palestinians show up, thirsty and starving, on their door steps?

Nobody wants that.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's not the plan.

BTW, the PA/PLO does not represent anyone anymore.

Then why does the UN still deal with them ?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

So, there is a "Plan." OK, what is the plan? Do all 5,149,000 (UNRWA Registered) Arab Palestinians know what "The Plan is?"

That's not the plan.

BTW, the PA/PLO does not represent anyone anymore.

(REFERENCE)

• Gaza Strip: More than 1,258,000 registered Palestine refugees in 8 camps
• West Bank: More than 774,000 registered Palestine refugees in 19 camps
• Syria: More than 526,000 registered Palestine refugees in 9 camps
• Lebanon: More than 449,000 registered Palestine refugees in12 camps
• Jordan: More than 2,117,000 registered Palestine refugees in 10 official camps

(COMMENT)

So, this "Plan" has some coordinated understanding among the Arab Palestinians that the Arab Palestinians will not migrate back towards the formerly occupied Palestinian territories:

•• If the Israelis were to (unilaterally) withdraw from the West Bank, --- you are saying that --- there will not be a migration of Arab Palestinians, stretched across 9 camps along the M5, from Aleppo down to Damascus are not going to start moving south to the West Bank border.

•• If the Israelis were to (unilaterally) withdraw from the West Bank, --- you are saying that --- there will not be a migration of Arab Palestinians, from dozen or so camps along the coast road, down from Aabdeh through Tyre towards the West Bank border.

•• If the Israelis were to (unilaterally) withdraw from the West Bank, --- you are saying that --- there will not be a migration of Arab Palestinians, from the 10 camps in Jordan towards the West Bank.
​

Who actually represents the Arab Palestinians spread across 2 territories and 3 countries? It is a confusing question. The Arab Palestinians population is much bigger than what the Islamic Resistance Movement has a strangle hold over, or those that want some sort of leadership in the West Bank. I take it that you know the actual intent expressed by the other 31 camps. There are some Arab Palestinians who claim that the Islamic Resistance Movement won the majority vote in 2006. But the 2006 Elections only cover the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

The Arab League really has not said anything about the other 31 Camps outside the West Bank and Gaza Strip. What it said was:

League of Arab States (LAS)
28 October 1974
Seventh Arab League Summit Conference
Resolution on Palestine
Rabat, Morocco

And in light of the victories achieved by Palestinian struggle in the confrontation with the Zionist enemy, at the Arab and international levels, at the United Nations, and of the obligation imposed thereby to continue joint Arab action to develop and increase the scope of these victories ; and having received the views of all on all the above, and having succeeded in cooling the differences between brethren within the framework of consolidating Arab solidarity, the Seventh Arab Summit Conference resolves the following:

1. To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to return to their homeland;

2. To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels;

3. To support the Palestine Liberation Organization in the exercise of its responsibility at the national and international levels within the framework of Arab commitment;

4. To call on the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Arab Republic of Egypt and the Palestine Liberation Organization to devise a formula for the regulation of relations between them in the light of these decisions so as to ensure their implementation;

5. That all the Arab states undertake to defend Palestinian national unity and not to interfere in the internal affairs of Palestinian action.
​

IF the Arab Palestinians void the LAS Resolution of October 1974, then clearly there is no one unified voice that speaks for all Arab Palestinians. And it becomes apparent that the Arab Palestinians of the territories occupied (oPt) since 1967, have essentially abandon the Arab Palestinians in the 31 Camps outside the oPt.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

So, there is a "Plan." OK, what is the plan? Do all 5,149,000 (UNRWA Registered) Arab Palestinians know what "The Plan is?"

That's not the plan.

BTW, the PA/PLO does not represent anyone anymore.

(REFERENCE)

• Gaza Strip: More than 1,258,000 registered Palestine refugees in 8 camps
• West Bank: More than 774,000 registered Palestine refugees in 19 camps
• Syria: More than 526,000 registered Palestine refugees in 9 camps
• Lebanon: More than 449,000 registered Palestine refugees in12 camps
• Jordan: More than 2,117,000 registered Palestine refugees in 10 official camps

(COMMENT)

So, this "Plan" has some coordinated understanding among the Arab Palestinians that the Arab Palestinians will not migrate back towards the formerly occupied Palestinian territories:

•• If the Israelis were to (unilaterally) withdraw from the West Bank, --- you are saying that --- there will not be a migration of Arab Palestinians, stretched across 9 camps along the M5, from Aleppo down to Damascus are not going to start moving south to the West Bank border.

•• If the Israelis were to (unilaterally) withdraw from the West Bank, --- you are saying that --- there will not be a migration of Arab Palestinians, from dozen or so camps along the coast road, down from Aabdeh through Tyre towards the West Bank border.

•• If the Israelis were to (unilaterally) withdraw from the West Bank, --- you are saying that --- there will not be a migration of Arab Palestinians, from the 10 camps in Jordan towards the West Bank.
​

Who actually represents the Arab Palestinians spread across 2 territories and 3 countries? It is a confusing question. The Arab Palestinians population is much bigger than what the Islamic Resistance Movement has a strangle hold over, or those that want some sort of leadership in the West Bank. I take it that you know the actual intent expressed by the other 31 camps. There are some Arab Palestinians who claim that the Islamic Resistance Movement won the majority vote in 2006. But the 2006 Elections only cover the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

The Arab League really has not said anything about the other 31 Camps outside the West Bank and Gaza Strip. What it said was:

League of Arab States (LAS)
28 October 1974
Seventh Arab League Summit Conference
Resolution on Palestine
Rabat, Morocco

And in light of the victories achieved by Palestinian struggle in the confrontation with the Zionist enemy, at the Arab and international levels, at the United Nations, and of the obligation imposed thereby to continue joint Arab action to develop and increase the scope of these victories ; and having received the views of all on all the above, and having succeeded in cooling the differences between brethren within the framework of consolidating Arab solidarity, the Seventh Arab Summit Conference resolves the following:

1. To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to return to their homeland;

2. To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels;

3. To support the Palestine Liberation Organization in the exercise of its responsibility at the national and international levels within the framework of Arab commitment;

4. To call on the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Arab Republic of Egypt and the Palestine Liberation Organization to devise a formula for the regulation of relations between them in the light of these decisions so as to ensure their implementation;

5. That all the Arab states undertake to defend Palestinian national unity and not to interfere in the internal affairs of Palestinian action.
​

IF the Arab Palestinians void the LAS Resolution of October 1974, then clearly there is no one unified voice that speaks for all Arab Palestinians. And it becomes apparent that the Arab Palestinians of the territories occupied (oPt) since 1967, have essentially abandon the Arab Palestinians in the 31 Camps outside the oPt.

Most Respectfully,
R

League of Arab States (LAS)
28 October 1974

1974? When are these people going to get off their ass? What have they done since 1974?

The Palestinians have done more in the last 10 years than the world has done in the last hundred.

 

[GHook93]

I started this thread on Monday and the head of security of Dubai was the person who was quoted in the OP. Since then a poll was taken in the territories and 46% of the people said they would rather have a confederation between Palestine and Jordan. Only 18% would accept an Arab-Israeli union. IMO the Palistinian-Jordanian union would be best for all concerned.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states'

More Palestinians prefer the establishment of a Jordanian-Palestinian confederation than a traditional two-state or one-state solution, a new public opinion poll has found.

An-Najah National University in Nablus randomly surveyed 1362 Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza Strip between October 13-15 on a variety of issues relevant to Palestinian politics and society.

Forty-six percent of Palestinians surveyed – 52% from the West Bank and 36% from the Gaza Strip – said they would support the establishment of a Palestinian-Jordanian confederation on the basis of two states with strong institutional relations.


'46% of Palestinians support Jordanian-Palestinian confederation based on two states' - Middle East - Jerusalem Post

Only about 1/3 of the Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza. What did the rest think?

Who gives a fuck what they think?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, GHook93, et al,

Yes, here is the rub...

Who gives a fuck what they think?

(COMMENT)

You have only 2 million (-) "Arab Palestinians" living in the west Bank and Gaza Strip; collectively know as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). And the are the remaining 3 million (+) "Arab Palestinians" living in the surrounding League of Arab States countries adjacent to the immediate area under conflict. (We'll leave the matter of the City State Arab Palestinians as something separate.)

If you do not consider these two groups as one --- you create an entirely new set of political and conflict problems.

• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians distinct and different from the external Arab Palestinians?
* Is one group of Arab Palestinians more deserving than the other?
• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians working on a distinctly separate outcome that benefits them alone?
• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians exercising a voice of their own and NOT considering the need for the externals.
​

There are more question, but you can see where this dilemma is going. It should not be the case that the external Arab Palestinian is without a voice in the process. Fore if that were to be true, then it is the case that the externals Arab Palestinians have no play in the destiny and formation of the State of Palestine ("Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967" --- A/RES/43/177); --- no self-determination. That would be denying them the very thing that the oPt Arab Palestinians have been arguing -- the right of self-determination. Without the voice, the external Arab Palestinians are doomed to an endless status as Palestinian refugees?

This is not even considering the consequences placed on the Israels. If the oPt Arab Palestinians come to a separate arrangement with the Israelis for "peace," but the external Arab Palestinian had no voice, then what would stop the external Palestinians from initiating a new conflict.

You can see the issues here. You might also be able to see the preference for a single low intensity conflict with just one group of Hostile Arab Palestinians, then to have ignited a second group, larger and potentially more powerful then the first.

BTW, The HAMAS claim is no more valid to the leadership than the

League of Arab States (LAS)
28 October 1974

1974? When are these people going to get off their ass? What have they done since 1974?

The Palestinians have done more in the last 10 years than the world has done in the last hundred.

(COMMENT)

The LAS gave the responsibility to the PLO. It is the PLO [the Uncooperative Arab Palestinians (UAP)], that started to take action, but then lost its momentum. And similarly, the HAMAS has only succeeded in the intensification of the conflict.

While the UAP and PLO have made headlines, they are actually no closer to peace then the were a decade ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

So, there is a "Plan." OK, what is the plan? Do all 5,149,000 (UNRWA Registered) Arab Palestinians know what "The Plan is?"

That's not the plan.

BTW, the PA/PLO does not represent anyone anymore.

(REFERENCE)

• Gaza Strip: More than 1,258,000 registered Palestine refugees in 8 camps
• West Bank: More than 774,000 registered Palestine refugees in 19 camps
• Syria: More than 526,000 registered Palestine refugees in 9 camps
• Lebanon: More than 449,000 registered Palestine refugees in12 camps
• Jordan: More than 2,117,000 registered Palestine refugees in 10 official camps

(COMMENT)

So, this "Plan" has some coordinated understanding among the Arab Palestinians that the Arab Palestinians will not migrate back towards the formerly occupied Palestinian territories:

•• If the Israelis were to (unilaterally) withdraw from the West Bank, --- you are saying that --- there will not be a migration of Arab Palestinians, stretched across 9 camps along the M5, from Aleppo down to Damascus are not going to start moving south to the West Bank border.

•• If the Israelis were to (unilaterally) withdraw from the West Bank, --- you are saying that --- there will not be a migration of Arab Palestinians, from dozen or so camps along the coast road, down from Aabdeh through Tyre towards the West Bank border.

•• If the Israelis were to (unilaterally) withdraw from the West Bank, --- you are saying that --- there will not be a migration of Arab Palestinians, from the 10 camps in Jordan towards the West Bank.
​

Who actually represents the Arab Palestinians spread across 2 territories and 3 countries? It is a confusing question. The Arab Palestinians population is much bigger than what the Islamic Resistance Movement has a strangle hold over, or those that want some sort of leadership in the West Bank. I take it that you know the actual intent expressed by the other 31 camps. There are some Arab Palestinians who claim that the Islamic Resistance Movement won the majority vote in 2006. But the 2006 Elections only cover the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

The Arab League really has not said anything about the other 31 Camps outside the West Bank and Gaza Strip. What it said was:

League of Arab States (LAS)
28 October 1974
Seventh Arab League Summit Conference
Resolution on Palestine
Rabat, Morocco

And in light of the victories achieved by Palestinian struggle in the confrontation with the Zionist enemy, at the Arab and international levels, at the United Nations, and of the obligation imposed thereby to continue joint Arab action to develop and increase the scope of these victories ; and having received the views of all on all the above, and having succeeded in cooling the differences between brethren within the framework of consolidating Arab solidarity, the Seventh Arab Summit Conference resolves the following:

1. To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to return to their homeland;

2. To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels;

3. To support the Palestine Liberation Organization in the exercise of its responsibility at the national and international levels within the framework of Arab commitment;

4. To call on the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Arab Republic of Egypt and the Palestine Liberation Organization to devise a formula for the regulation of relations between them in the light of these decisions so as to ensure their implementation;

5. That all the Arab states undertake to defend Palestinian national unity and not to interfere in the internal affairs of Palestinian action.
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IF the Arab Palestinians void the LAS Resolution of October 1974, then clearly there is no one unified voice that speaks for all Arab Palestinians. And it becomes apparent that the Arab Palestinians of the territories occupied (oPt) since 1967, have essentially abandon the Arab Palestinians in the 31 Camps outside the oPt.

Most Respectfully,
R

League of Arab States (LAS)
28 October 1974

1974? When are these people going to get off their ass? What have they done since 1974?

The Palestinians have done more in the last 10 years than the world has done in the last hundred.

They still havent taken the last step to creating a nation or shown any sign of being capable of running a country. So really they have done nothing but find excuses for their illegal weapons attacks

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, GHook93, et al,

Yes, here is the rub...

Who gives a fuck what they think?

(COMMENT)

You have only 2 million (-) "Arab Palestinians" living in the west Bank and Gaza Strip; collectively know as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). And the are the remaining 3 million (+) "Arab Palestinians" living in the surrounding League of Arab States countries adjacent to the immediate area under conflict. (We'll leave the matter of the City State Arab Palestinians as something separate.)

If you do not consider these two groups as one --- you create an entirely new set of political and conflict problems.

• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians distinct and different from the external Arab Palestinians?
* Is one group of Arab Palestinians more deserving than the other?
• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians working on a distinctly separate outcome that benefits them alone?
• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians exercising a voice of their own and NOT considering the need for the externals.
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There are more question, but you can see where this dilemma is going. It should not be the case that the external Arab Palestinian is without a voice in the process. Fore if that were to be true, then it is the case that the externals Arab Palestinians have no play in the destiny and formation of the State of Palestine ("Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967" --- A/RES/43/177); --- no self-determination. That would be denying them the very thing that the oPt Arab Palestinians have been arguing -- the right of self-determination. Without the voice, the external Arab Palestinians are doomed to an endless status as Palestinian refugees?

This is not even considering the consequences placed on the Israels. If the oPt Arab Palestinians come to a separate arrangement with the Israelis for "peace," but the external Arab Palestinian had no voice, then what would stop the external Palestinians from initiating a new conflict.

You can see the issues here. You might also be able to see the preference for a single low intensity conflict with just one group of Hostile Arab Palestinians, then to have ignited a second group, larger and potentially more powerful then the first.

BTW, The HAMAS claim is no more valid to the leadership than the

League of Arab States (LAS)
28 October 1974

1974? When are these people going to get off their ass? What have they done since 1974?

The Palestinians have done more in the last 10 years than the world has done in the last hundred.

(COMMENT)

The LAS gave the responsibility to the PLO. It is the PLO [the Uncooperative Arab Palestinians (UAP)], that started to take action, but then lost its momentum. And similarly, the HAMAS has only succeeded in the intensification of the conflict.

While the UAP and PLO have made headlines, they are actually no closer to peace then the were a decade ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, the PLO has been going weird since the 70s and they sold out to the fake peace process of Oslo where the Palestinians have been going backward since.

In the last 10 - 15 years the Palestinians have embarked on a multi faceted, international educational campaign. That is changing the narrative in a positive direction.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, GHook93, et al,

Yes, here is the rub...

Who gives a fuck what they think?

(COMMENT)

You have only 2 million (-) "Arab Palestinians" living in the west Bank and Gaza Strip; collectively know as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). And the are the remaining 3 million (+) "Arab Palestinians" living in the surrounding League of Arab States countries adjacent to the immediate area under conflict. (We'll leave the matter of the City State Arab Palestinians as something separate.)

If you do not consider these two groups as one --- you create an entirely new set of political and conflict problems.

• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians distinct and different from the external Arab Palestinians?
* Is one group of Arab Palestinians more deserving than the other?
• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians working on a distinctly separate outcome that benefits them alone?
• Are the oPt Arab Palestinians exercising a voice of their own and NOT considering the need for the externals.
​

There are more question, but you can see where this dilemma is going. It should not be the case that the external Arab Palestinian is without a voice in the process. Fore if that were to be true, then it is the case that the externals Arab Palestinians have no play in the destiny and formation of the State of Palestine ("Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967" --- A/RES/43/177); --- no self-determination. That would be denying them the very thing that the oPt Arab Palestinians have been arguing -- the right of self-determination. Without the voice, the external Arab Palestinians are doomed to an endless status as Palestinian refugees?

This is not even considering the consequences placed on the Israels. If the oPt Arab Palestinians come to a separate arrangement with the Israelis for "peace," but the external Arab Palestinian had no voice, then what would stop the external Palestinians from initiating a new conflict.

You can see the issues here. You might also be able to see the preference for a single low intensity conflict with just one group of Hostile Arab Palestinians, then to have ignited a second group, larger and potentially more powerful then the first.

BTW, The HAMAS claim is no more valid to the leadership than the

League of Arab States (LAS)
28 October 1974

1974? When are these people going to get off their ass? What have they done since 1974?

The Palestinians have done more in the last 10 years than the world has done in the last hundred.

(COMMENT)

The LAS gave the responsibility to the PLO. It is the PLO [the Uncooperative Arab Palestinians (UAP)], that started to take action, but then lost its momentum. And similarly, the HAMAS has only succeeded in the intensification of the conflict.

While the UAP and PLO have made headlines, they are actually no closer to peace then the were a decade ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, the PLO has been going weird since the 70s and they sold out to the fake peace process of Oslo where the Palestinians have been going backward since.

In the last 10 - 15 years the Palestinians have embarked on a multi faceted, international educational campaign. That is changing the narrative in a positive direction.

"In the last 10 - 15 years the Palestinians have embarked on a multi faceted, international educational campaign"

Yes, I've seen those educational YouTube videos of your Arab-Moslem heroes attempting to stab israel citizens.

That's very multi-faceted and educational.