Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border

[Billo_Really]

There is no such thing as "East Jerusalem". Jerusalem was divided only because of fierce fighting between the Israeli army and the Jordanian army (who had absolutely no legal right to it). The final status of Jerusalem is to be negotiated as part of the final agreement between Israel and a future State of Palestine.

There is no possible legal claim to be made that Jerusalem, in its entirety, is "not Israeli property". Anyone who argues that it ALREADY belongs to a State of Palestine or that it is Arab land has fallen into a web of deceit formed by Arabs and supported by an international community which makes up law in order to demonize Jews.

The Old City of Jerusalem contains the most sacred places of the Jewish people. It has been the focus of the Jewish people's faith and history for thousands of years. Israel is strong enough to keep it. And she will.

There isn't a single country on the planet that agrees with you.

 

[Billo_Really]

What are all those things that explode when they land called? Who is launching them. Aimed at who? Intended to do what?
The Arabs put in with the Germans in both world wars with the express purpose to help exterminate every Jew on the planet!
The LON after the second war decided to teach the Arabs a lesson they will NEVER forget.

"...when they land called?"

What grade are you in?

 

[Billo_Really]

[ let us see you read the whole thing and answer each point ]

Do you realize that it is a "March of Return", not a march about our conditions are deplorable (that is something they did against Hamas ) ?
Do you realize that Gaza is their home?
Do you realize that what they are talking about is ALL of Israel for ALL of them to return to?
Do you realize that the population which comes to the border do so because they are being offered money to do so, and more if they are injured or killed?
Do you realize that since 1920 the Arabs have refused to allow the Jews to achieve self determination via many riots, expulsions and then war, in 1948, 1967, 1973 and on.

Do you realize what the Palestinian map of Palestine means?

PA Education Minister presents child poet with plaque with map of “Palestine” replacing Israel - "Palestine" replaces Israel | PMW


Do you realize which area the Palestinians are referring to as being "Occupied"?

Is Hamas complaining about "conditions and occupation" in Gaza?

Or is Hamas and the population in Gaza complaining about Jews "occupying" what has been Israel since 1948/1967?

In other words, the people of Gaza are not being taught to make peace with Israel, to live alongside with Israel, they are being taught that Israel is THEIR home, regardless of how many actually were told to leave by their leaders, or expelled from their aggression against Israel because of the 1948 war.


That is what they are rioting about, that is what they are marching for.

RETURN ......to Israel.....where they will take over and turn Israel into another Arab/Muslim majority State....unless they have given up on the Caliphate.

The conditions in Gaza are brought up by what Hamas forces on the population, especially the poor one which has no power and are also against the continues attacks on Israel in their name.

As I put it before, we are not going to see Hamas or Islamic Jihad hide in their own mansions, at the malls, by the olympic pool, or any other very expensive places which are far away from the border with Israel.

They will hide, mostly, around the poor civilians, and hide rockets amongst the poor civilians, as they have always done, and there is plenty of video and photos on it, and international reporters who more than witness the Hamas behavior during the 2014 war.

The abject living condition on the poor is FORCED on them by Hamas, and nobody else.

You do not really believe that Israel is responsible for it. You are simply crying fire on a crowded theatre and hoping that it will scare Israel, the US, or any Israel supporter to stop supporting Israel's right to defend itself from a people who are intent on destroying the country and kill all or most of its Jewish population.

They say so all the time, but you will not hear it.

I guarantee one day you will have your Eisenhower Moment.

 

[Billo_Really]

[
Then Egypt is also occupying Gaza, because they effectively control what comes and goes and who comes and goes.

Let us end Egypt's occupation of Gaza.

Egypt controls the Rafah crossing. That's it.

 

[Billo_Really]

So, you’re not going to defend your claim?

That was your claim, not mine.

 

[Uncensored2008]

There is no such thing as "East Jerusalem". Jerusalem was divided only because of fierce fighting between the Israeli army and the Jordanian army (who had absolutely no legal right to it). The final status of Jerusalem is to be negotiated as part of the final agreement between Israel and a future State of Palestine.

There is no possible legal claim to be made that Jerusalem, in its entirety, is "not Israeli property". Anyone who argues that it ALREADY belongs to a State of Palestine or that it is Arab land has fallen into a web of deceit formed by Arabs and supported by an international community which makes up law in order to demonize Jews.

The Old City of Jerusalem contains the most sacred places of the Jewish people. It has been the focus of the Jewish people's faith and history for thousands of years. Israel is strong enough to keep it. And she will.

There isn't a single country on the planet that agrees with you.

In the words of Sam Kinison, "you're a lying cvnt"

The Philippines, the Czech Republic and Romania have all recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, as have Guatemala, Honduras, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Togo.

As a terrorist promoter, you lie as easily as decent people breath, but this IS the age of Google, it isn't hard to uncover that a scumbag like you IS lying...

 

[Billo_Really]

In the words of Sam Kinison, "you're a lying cvnt"

The Philippines, the Czech Republic and Romania have all recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, as have Guatemala, Honduras, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Togo.

As a terrorist promoter, you lie as easily as decent people breath, but this IS the age of Google, it isn't hard to uncover that a scumbag like you IS lying...

Where's the link?

 

[Sixties Fan]

You never give a date and details about how Israel started the aggression against Gaza.

Do you have articles, videos which would clarify this whole thing for us?

Why do you ask questions when you don't give a shit about the answer?

Timeline: the humanitarian impact of the Gaza blockade
2018 marks 51 years since the occupation of the Palestinian Territory and 11 years of the Gaza blockade. Both the occupation and the blockade affect every aspect of life for Palestinians – they dictate where they can live and study, and whom they can marry.

The blockade has devastated Gaza’s economy, caused widespread destruction and left most people largely cut off from the outside world. Today, one million Palestinians in Gaza don't have enough food to feed their families, despite receiving food assistance or other forms of support.
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When you may choose the worst report on Gaza without giving any accountability to Hamas' actions......
Trucks loaded with food enter Gaza on a daily basis. The question would be WHY doesn't that food reach those "million Palestinians" who do not have enough to feed their families? Where do the trucks and the food end up?
Hint: Hamas would know

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ Billo_Really, Sixties Fan, et al,

To understand this, you have to understand that International Human Rights Law is (nearly always) at odds with International Armed Conflict (IAC), as well as, Non-International Armed Conflict (NIAC). BUT! There is no one single international policy pertain to entities like HAMAS and associates.

Like it or not, HAMAS is a "terrorist organization;" with associate Jihadists, Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Troublemakers, Adherents, Guerrillas and Asymmetric Fighter. This should include indeterminate combat support that trains and equips foreign Islamic groups Islamic Resistance Movement (AKA HAMAS).

Which shows how much you do know about blockades and International law.

But keep repeating that, since in your ears it sounds SO good.

No, you explain why Israel has jurisdiction in international waters, you fucking bitch!

(REFERENCES)

1997 • International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings •
Creates a regime of universal jurisdiction over the unlawful and intentional use of explosives and other lethal devices in, into, or against various defined public places with intent to kill or cause serious bodily injury, or with intent to cause extensive destruction of the public place.

Article 14 • Arms Trade Treaty •
EnforcementEach State Party shall take appropriate measures to enforce national laws and regulations that implement the provisions of this Treaty.
Article 15
States Parties shall cooperate with each other, consistent with their 4.States Parties are encouraged to cooperate, pursuant to their national laws, in order to assist national implementation of the provisions of this Treaty, including through sharing information regarding illicit activities and actors and in order to prevent and eradicate diversion of conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1)...

Measures to prevent and combat terrorism - Section II - Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy in the form of a resolution and an annexed Plan of Action (A/RES/60/288) •
To in order to prevent and detect the movement of terrorists and to prevent and detect the illicit traffic in, inter alia, small arms and light weapons, conventional ammunition and explosives, nuclear, chemical, biological or radiological weapons and materials, while recognizing that States may require assistance to that effect.

(COMMENT)

Israel is endeavoring to intensify cooperation, as appropriate, in exchanging timely and accurate information concerning the prevention and combating of terrorism.

Israel's actions are focused on the apprehension and prosecution or extradition of perpetrators of terrorist acts, in accordance with the United Nations Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy and Action Plan.

Israel is stepping-up national efforts and bilateral, sub-regional, regional and international co-operation, as appropriate, to improve border and customs controls, in accordance with United Nations Global
Counter-Terrorism Strategy and Action Plan.

You can't look at the issue from just one angle and the Hostile Arab Palestinian perspective. You have to expand your view. You have to look at it from all sides.

AND we have not yet talked about the Israeli EEZ (Exclusive Economic Zone) (200 NM) → a national concern.

Most Respectfully,
R

By the same token, Israel is a terrorist organization. The Likud Party has its roots in Irgun. And Irgun was a Zionist terrorist group.

There is a huge difference between terrorizing people and wanting to scare them to get something which does not belong to you, as the Arabs have done since 1920, and what the Jews had to do to protect, defend themselves and eventually declare Independence which is something the Arabs insisted that the Jews should not have ON their OWN ancient homeland.

Defending one's territory against those who do not want you to have the freedom to have a country is very different from what the Arabs continue to do and VOW they will continue to do until Israel is destroyed.

ALL of the Mandate for Palestine was to become the Jewish State.
78% was given away to the Hashemites. No terrorism against the Hashemites from the Jews

From 1920 to 1948, Arab terrorism against Jews to keep them from creating a Country. You like to revert the whole thing.

From 1948 to 1973, several Arab countries attacking Israel to destroy it. You revert the whole thing.

From 1973 till today, continued attacks by the Arabs, to scare, kill, destroy Israel with rockets, with BDS, with anything they can come up with.

Why? Because according to many Muslims, once Islam conquers a land , it belongs to Islam forever. Some Muslims cannot allow Jews to have a State. Hamas is such one group of Muslims.
But you revert the whole thing.

What part of the Mandate do you believe the Jews have a right to?
How long, how wide, for how long?

 

[Weatherman2020]

They're not getting Jerusalem as their capital.

East Jerusalem is not Israeli property and it will never be Israeli property. You cannot acquire land at the point of a gun.

East Jerusalem is not Israeli property and it will never be Israeli property. You cannot acquire land at the point of a gun.

In which universe? Definitely not this one.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Dr. Einat Wilf speaking about Westsplaining.

You can't have it both ways. You can't point to the UN in regards to Israeli sovereignty, while at the same time saying UN resolutions do not give the right of return to Palestinians. These people are descendents of the Palestinian's who were driven out of the area by Zionist terrorist groups like Irgun in 1948. They have the right to return to their homeland.

Israel does not depend on the UN for its sovereignty. That was granted by the League of Nations in the early 1920, along with Iraq, Lebanon and Syria getting the other Three Mandates. Remember them?

There is NO such things as a Right of Return for ANY people, much less for the Palestinians who only want to flood Israel with Arabs and eventually become the majority and therefore dismantling Israel and doing away with it.

What sane country would agree to so many people to come to their country and changing everything that it is?
Are you aware of any? Name it.

900,000 Jews were driven out of Arab controlled countries from 1948 on. They are definitely NOT given the right of return by any of those countries, the same way as many Jews who survived the Nazi Holocaust were not allowed to return to their countries, much less their homes after 1945.

You keep inventing things as being a RIGHT for Palestinians, when that RIGHT does not exist for ANY other people on the planet, and it does not actually exist for the Palestinian Arabs, and much less to the descendants of those who were urged to leave by their leader, or expelled because they were fighting against the Jewish groups.

They were told the Jews would be defeated in 2 weeks. Bad planning on the leaders' part.

Israel is NOT responsible for what the Arab leaders created:




Why they demand to continue to be refugees, when no other group continues to be called refugees, much less with all of its descendants added to the list?




Israel is NOT the Palestinian Arabs homeland. Arabia is.
TranJordan is not the Hashemite Kingdom's homeland. Arabia is.

RETURN ALL of the Mandate for Palestine to its rightful owners.
The Jewish People/Nation.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The money which the US lends to Israel does not end up in the Government's pocket. It is for many other things, which also help the US.
You and many others have a very wrong idea of the US "giving" money to Israel for nothing.
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The U.S.-Israeli alliance has paved the way for the countries to cooperate on far more than just traditional security issues. In part because of the long-standing political and security relationship between the United States and Israel, most Israelis know the United States and harbor positive feelings toward it. Israeli companies looking for a global market for their products have often viewed their American counterparts as partners of choice. So today, Israeli civilian technological innovations are helping the United States maintain its economic competitiveness, promote sustainable development, and address a range of non-military security challenges.

Dozens of leading U.S. companies have set up technology incubators in Israel to take advantage of the country's penchant for new ideas, which is why Bill Gates observed in 2006 that the "innovation going on in Israel is critical to the future of the technology business." Likewise, Israeli high-tech firms often turn to U.S. companies as partners for joint production and marketing opportunities in the United States and elsewhere, creating tens of thousands of American jobs. And although Israelis make up just three percent of the population of the Middle East, in 2011 Israel was the destination of 25 percent of all U.S. exports to the region, having recently eclipsed Saudi Arabia as the top market there for American products.

U.S. companies' substantial cooperation with Israel on information technology has been crucial to Silicon Valley's success. At Intel's research and development centers in Israel, engineers have designed many of the company's most successful microprocessors, accounting for some 40 percent of the firm's revenues last year. If you've made a secure financial transaction on the Internet, sent an instant message, or bought something using PayPal, you can thank Israeli IT researchers.

Friends with Benefits: Why the U.S.-Israeli Alliance Is Good for America
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The U.S.-Israel alliance is expansive. Pro-Israel advocates understand that the alliance contributes to America’s security and its position as a moral, democratic leader in the world. Decades of polling show Americans outside the foreign policy establishment support Israel because of the democratic, liberal values shared by our two nations. But the alliance is much deeper than that. As of December 2015, according to the World Bank, Israel is the 37th largest economy in the world by gross domestic product (GDP), an extraordinary accomplishment for such a young and perpetually beleaguered nation. But last year Israel was also America’s 23rd largest trade partner. From Israel, America receives unusually high amounts of investment; helpful and profitable technologies and services; and advancements in science, agriculture, the environment, and healthcare that improve the quality of and, in some cases, quite literally save our lives. Our exports to Israel create jobs in America. Through Israeli innovations and collaboration, our scientists and medical professionals become smarter and more effective at their jobs, and our agriculture and environmental sectors become more efficient and productive. The impact of the alliance is as wide as it is deep.

Israel Gives Much More to the U.S. Economy Than You Imagined - The Tower

The money from the US is used to commit war crimes.

You are a liar.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You are so full of shit. If Palestinians wanted peace they would stop floating fire balloons. They would stop trying to sneak into Israel to go on a murder spree. Just stop.

If Israel wanted peace, they would end the occupation and stop breaking all the ceasefires.

Again, you lie.
No occupation and it is not Israel breaking any ceasefires.

 

[Sixties Fan]

There is no such thing as "East Jerusalem". Jerusalem was divided only because of fierce fighting between the Israeli army and the Jordanian army (who had absolutely no legal right to it). The final status of Jerusalem is to be negotiated as part of the final agreement between Israel and a future State of Palestine.

There is no possible legal claim to be made that Jerusalem, in its entirety, is "not Israeli property". Anyone who argues that it ALREADY belongs to a State of Palestine or that it is Arab land has fallen into a web of deceit formed by Arabs and supported by an international community which makes up law in order to demonize Jews.

The Old City of Jerusalem contains the most sacred places of the Jewish people. It has been the focus of the Jewish people's faith and history for thousands of years. Israel is strong enough to keep it. And she will.

There isn't a single country on the planet that agrees with you.

Why do you tell such lies?
The world does not revolve the way you demand it to.

There are plenty of countries which do not agree with You.

 

[Sixties Fan]

What are all those things that explode when they land called? Who is launching them. Aimed at who? Intended to do what?
The Arabs put in with the Germans in both world wars with the express purpose to help exterminate every Jew on the planet!
The LON after the second war decided to teach the Arabs a lesson they will NEVER forget.

"...when they land called?"

What grade are you in?

So sorry that the lack of a coma sent you on a spin. You did understand what was written, but chose to simply not respond and attack.

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ let us see you read the whole thing and answer each point ]

Do you realize that it is a "March of Return", not a march about our conditions are deplorable (that is something they did against Hamas ) ?
Do you realize that Gaza is their home?
Do you realize that what they are talking about is ALL of Israel for ALL of them to return to?
Do you realize that the population which comes to the border do so because they are being offered money to do so, and more if they are injured or killed?
Do you realize that since 1920 the Arabs have refused to allow the Jews to achieve self determination via many riots, expulsions and then war, in 1948, 1967, 1973 and on.

Do you realize what the Palestinian map of Palestine means?

PA Education Minister presents child poet with plaque with map of “Palestine” replacing Israel - "Palestine" replaces Israel | PMW


Do you realize which area the Palestinians are referring to as being "Occupied"?

Is Hamas complaining about "conditions and occupation" in Gaza?

Or is Hamas and the population in Gaza complaining about Jews "occupying" what has been Israel since 1948/1967?

In other words, the people of Gaza are not being taught to make peace with Israel, to live alongside with Israel, they are being taught that Israel is THEIR home, regardless of how many actually were told to leave by their leaders, or expelled from their aggression against Israel because of the 1948 war.


That is what they are rioting about, that is what they are marching for.

RETURN ......to Israel.....where they will take over and turn Israel into another Arab/Muslim majority State....unless they have given up on the Caliphate.

The conditions in Gaza are brought up by what Hamas forces on the population, especially the poor one which has no power and are also against the continues attacks on Israel in their name.

As I put it before, we are not going to see Hamas or Islamic Jihad hide in their own mansions, at the malls, by the olympic pool, or any other very expensive places which are far away from the border with Israel.

They will hide, mostly, around the poor civilians, and hide rockets amongst the poor civilians, as they have always done, and there is plenty of video and photos on it, and international reporters who more than witness the Hamas behavior during the 2014 war.

The abject living condition on the poor is FORCED on them by Hamas, and nobody else.

You do not really believe that Israel is responsible for it. You are simply crying fire on a crowded theatre and hoping that it will scare Israel, the US, or any Israel supporter to stop supporting Israel's right to defend itself from a people who are intent on destroying the country and kill all or most of its Jewish population.

They say so all the time, but you will not hear it.

I guarantee one day you will have your Eisenhower Moment.

Use more words, please !!!!

What exactly happened with the "Eisenhower Movement " and in which way will it help the Arab Palestinians with their "Right of Return" and making their dream come true.....of destroying Israel?

 

[Shusha]

You do not have to have a standing army in the territory to satisfy the definition of an occupation. If you maintain "effective control" over the area, then that is an occupation.

Yep. A perfect example of law as it is applied only to Israel. No other country has unilaterally withdrawn from territory and is still deemed to "effectively control" it.

 

[Shusha]

You would just move the goal posts and make up another excuse to maintain the siege, because the bottom line is, you do not want peace.

Other descent into irrationality. Why, oh why would the Jewish people, of ALL people (!) NOT want peace?

 

[Shusha]

Conquer by conquest was outlawed at the end of WWII. Saying it is okay for Israel to annex East Jerusalem, is like saying it was okay for Germany to annex Poland.

All kinds of wrong in this paragraph. Let's see if we can walk you through this.

Germany and Poland are two separate states. We all agree that one state can not take territory from another state by force.

Jordan, then, had absolutely no right to hold the territories it held between 1948 and 1967 as it had "conquered by conquest" a territory which belonged to another state. Jordan unilaterally ceded all claim to the territories it held in Western Palestine between 1948 and 1967.

With me so far? Jordan had and has no claim to the territory. We agree?

In 1948, then, which States had a claim to that territory in Western Palestine?

 

[Sixties Fan]

[
Then Egypt is also occupying Gaza, because they effectively control what comes and goes and who comes and goes.

Let us end Egypt's occupation of Gaza.

Egypt controls the Rafah crossing. That's it.

Yes, Egypt does control the Rafa crossing.
Are you saying that you are not aware that Egypt does not allow anything into Gaza?
And that Egypt sometimes ends up keeping Arabs from Gaza from returning home for a long time. Or does not let those from Gaza to go into Egypt, for any reason.
How many days does it stay open?
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After the Israeli disengagement in 2005, the monthly average number of entries and exits through Rafah Crossing reached about 40,000. After the capture of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in June 2006, the crossing was closed 76% of the time and after Hamas' takeover of the Gaza Strip it was closed permanently except for infrequent limited openings by Egypt.[11]

From June 2010 to January 2011, the monthly average number of exits and entries through Rafah reached 19,000. After May 2011, when Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak was replaced with Mohamed Morsi, the number grew to 40,000 per month. When Morsi was deposed by the army in July 2013, the Crossing was again almost completely shut down.

In August 2014, for the first time since the start of the Gaza blockade in 2007 Egypt allowed the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) to bring food through the Rafah crossing. It provided food to feed around 150,000 people for 5 days.[12] In 2014, an average of 8,119 exits and entries of people were recorded at the crossing monthly. In September 2015, it was circa 3,300, while the Gaza population numbered 1.8 million people.[11] Between 24 October 2014 and September 2015, the crossing had been opened for only 34 days.[13]

On 22 January 2015, Egypt closed the border crossing.[37] In March, it declared that it would only open the border crossing if the Palestinian side is staffed by Palestinian Authority employees under the full authority of the Presidential Guard and no Hamas personnel are present

Rafah Border Crossing - Wikipedia