Palestinian warriors subdue Israeli terrorists

[rhodescholar]

Both Arabs and Jews employed militia to terrorize the "enemy" during the '48 Arab-Israeli War and the Civil War that preceded it.

"Civil war"? As in the arab massacres of jews in hebron and jerusalem? Please do some further reading, and not from hate sites or other similar non-credible sources.

...my limited reading of history ...

At least you've made one claim with a factual basis...

CounterPunch: Tells the Fact, Names the Names

This might be the best piece of advice I provide on this forum: do NOT under any circumstances use that website as a source, EVER, if you are trying to make a point and be considered as a credible poster.

You'll be instantly written off on any serious poli forum, and lumped in with the stormfront assholes. Not even arab supporters who are of good intent will go near it.

I say this b/c unlike some of the other filth here like shogun, tinmore, etc., who are mentally sick and have no interest in increasing their knowledge of the actual facts - they are merely jew-hating trash, your problem is simply a lack of knowledge, as it would appear you lack the same base jew-hatred they have.

believes his fellow combat vets weren't responsible for the theft of Arab property. He blames "..the rear echelon, the transport and quartermaster troops, the cronies of people in power, who came with lorries and trucks and loaded up everything they came across."

Again, this is why you do not use garbage web sites as a source...does that claim even make sense?

A country that formed basically hours before, with limited resources, has thousands of well-functioning trucks - supplied with lots of diesel, no less - to transfer HUNDREDS of thousands of arabs out of the area?

And how on earth, assuming you have any combat experience, could the jews possibly have an established, functional and organizationally structured army with distinctions between "front-line troops" - little more than holocaust survivors with WW1 rifles - not have a clue what their brothers in arms were doing near them?

THE STORY AND CLAIM MAKE NO SENSE. This is where the line between irrational hatred and thoughtful questioning of claims comes in.

First this writer claimed at one time that is was the troops who conducted the "attacks," now its the backing "operational" soldiers...how many more times will he change his story when exposed as a liar?

Before you look to this clown as credible, read a bit more about him, like how he wanted to attack arab regimes and overthrow their governments:

Uri Avnery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think it's at least as truthful to blame the investment bankers in London and New York who, along with their political and military handmaidens, saw how Greater Israel could be used to line their own pockets with the profits from Arab oil.

When i read ludicrous idiocies like this, i realize that you are likely 16 years old, and are just parroting what you think are some cool lines you picked up on the web.

If you ever met an "investment bankers in London and New York", you'd know that they could not give a flying fuck what israel and the arabs are doing. Clearly, you have no clue what an investment bank is or what it does, so another STRONG recommendation: do NOT throw out lines like that that expose you as either an imbecile or a clueless teen.

 

[georgephillip]

The following three paragraphs were written in 1997 by a Saudi Lieutenant Colonel participating in an annual US Army War College symposium in Carlysle Barracks, Pennsylvania:

"Palestinians have continuously resided in Palestine since four thousand years before Christ, Abo-Sak pointed out. Their ancestors built the cities of Jerusalem, Nablus, Jericho, Beisan, Acca and Jaffa. The Hebrews arrived in the land between 1400-1200 B.C., and only maintained control over it during the lifetimes of King David and his son King Solomon – a period of about 80 years. The land then came under Greek and Roman rule, and was then conquered by Islam in the year 637 A.D. under the second Caliph, Omar. By that time, the Jews had already left Jerusalem, and Christianity was the dominant religion. The Caliph granted full security to all Christians, including personal safety, and protection of property, religion and churches. The Muslims declared Jerusalem the capital of Palestine, and the city remained under Islamic rule until the end of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, except for a brief time of Christian rule under the Crusaders.

"In this century, the eastern Mediterranean became subject to British and French occupation as a result of the First World War, and Palestine came under British military occupation. The British encouraged the Arabs to gain their independence from the Ottoman Empire and promised them support if they stood on the side of the allies during the First World War. However the British reneged on the promise, and British Foreign Minister Arthur James Balfour promised the International Zionists a homeland for the Jews in Palestine. At the time, the population of Palestine was comprised of 95% Arabs (both Christians and Muslims), 4% Palestinian Jews, and 1% expatriates. The Jews owned only 2% of the land.

"Israel occupied the Palestinian lands in 1948 when it announced its independence. It captured the rest of Palestine in 1967. Since then, the Palestinians have lived under Israeli occupation. According to Lt. Col. Abo-Sak, their struggle to liberate themselves was ignored during the Cold War and the competition between the East and the West to gain more influence in the Middle East as a strategic region. Israel has gained strong support in the West as a result of this competition. In the meantime, the Palestinians have been unable to persuade the superpowers to enforce United Nations Resolution 242 and 338 calling for Israeli withdrawal from occupied Arab land."

Points of agreement?
Disagreement?

Is the US government an honest broker for Peace in Palestine?

 

[Godboy]

shhhh.. bones, it's DIFFERENT. asking how is antisemitic.

It actually IS different. She was in a no go area and kept trying to approach the Israelis.

I mean it is not like Pals have a history of strapping bombs to themselves or their kids and blowing up Israelis now is it?

It is interesting how Israeli assholes can declare a no go zone in Palestinian neighborhoods and that makes it OK to murder civilians while when Palestinians attack illegal settlers on Palestinian land it is terrorism.

No one is saying its ok. What people are saying is its understandable that someone might get shot from time to time when they step into these "no go zones". It sucks when it happens, but its understandable. There is no understanding when someone murders 4 innocent people sitting in their car. They went out, hunted them down, and murdered them.

If you are unable to tell the difference, then something has gone terribly awry with your ability to objectively look at these scenarios. The most likely reason for something like that to happen is you are a muslim, and if its not that its probably because you hate jews, maybe even both. Either way, you are broken.

 

[georgephillip]

It actually IS different. She was in a no go area and kept trying to approach the Israelis.

I mean it is not like Pals have a history of strapping bombs to themselves or their kids and blowing up Israelis now is it?

It is interesting how Israeli assholes can declare a no go zone in Palestinian neighborhoods and that makes it OK to murder civilians while when Palestinians attack illegal settlers on Palestinian land it is terrorism.

Care to inform us of what Country Palestine is? Last I checked the retards won't even form a Country, they could have in 1948, but chose to not do so and to use 8 Arab armies to try and crush the Jews. They have been offered a country, what 4 times now? And each time they refuse and instead attack Israel.

Now provide for me some evidence that Jews living in Palestine are breaking any law.

Richard Falk, the UN special rapporteur recently denied entry into the occupied territories by Israel, suggests the following starting point:

"This overall pattern suggests systematic violations by Israel of Article 55 of Geneva IV and Article 69 of the First Geneva Protocol of 1977 that delimits Israel's obligations to ensure adequate provision of the basic needs of people living under its occupation, especially in Area C where it exercises undivided control."

The former professor of international law at Princeton offers East Jerusalem and West Bank settlements as further evidence of Israel's crimes in Palestine:

"The settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank violate Article 49(6) of Geneva IV, which prohibits the transfer of the population of an occupying power to the territory temporarily occupied. Israel's stubborn rejection of the demand of Security Council Resolution 242 that it withdraw from Palestinian territories it occupied in 1967 creates, as Falk said, 'a background that resembles, and in some dimensions exceeds, in important respects the situation confronting the government of Kosovo.'"

The professor's solution for Palestine is the same as Kosovo:

"Lengthy negotiations have not resolved the issue of the status of Palestine, nor do they give any reasonable prospect that any resolution by negotiation or unilateral withdrawal will soon occur," he said. "Under these circumstances, it would seem that one option available to the Palestine Liberation Organization [the Oslo Agreement empowered the PLO to negotiate international status issues] acting on its own or by way of the Palestinian Authority under international law would be to issue a unilateral declaration of status, seeking independence, diplomatic recognition and membership in the United Nations. The recent Kosovo advisory opinion of the World Court in The Hague provides a well-reasoned legal precedent for such an option."

Formalizing Israel's Land Grab

 

[georgephillip]

It actually IS different. She was in a no go area and kept trying to approach the Israelis.

I mean it is not like Pals have a history of strapping bombs to themselves or their kids and blowing up Israelis now is it?

It is interesting how Israeli assholes can declare a no go zone in Palestinian neighborhoods and that makes it OK to murder civilians while when Palestinians attack illegal settlers on Palestinian land it is terrorism.

No one is saying its ok. What people are saying is its understandable that someone might get shot from time to time when they step into these "no go zones". It sucks when it happens, but its understandable. There is no understanding when someone murders 4 innocent people sitting in their car. They went out, hunted them down, and murdered them.

If you are unable to tell the difference, then something has gone terribly awry with your ability to objectively look at these scenarios. The most likely reason for something like that to happen is you are a muslim, and if its not that its probably because you hate jews, maybe even both. Either way, you are broken.

The common denominator of both tragedies is the illegal occupation Israel currently imposes on the West Bank.

If your moral authority to impose "no go zones" rests on an occupation taking place in violation of numerous UN Resolutions and wide spread public condemnation everywhere except the US and Israel, perhaps you've been brainwashed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It actually IS different. She was in a no go area and kept trying to approach the Israelis.

I mean it is not like Pals have a history of strapping bombs to themselves or their kids and blowing up Israelis now is it?

It is interesting how Israeli assholes can declare a no go zone in Palestinian neighborhoods and that makes it OK to murder civilians while when Palestinians attack illegal settlers on Palestinian land it is terrorism.

No one is saying its ok. What people are saying is its understandable that someone might get shot from time to time when they step into these "no go zones". It sucks when it happens, but its understandable. There is no understanding when someone murders 4 innocent people sitting in their car. They went out, hunted them down, and murdered them.

If you are unable to tell the difference, then something has gone terribly awry with your ability to objectively look at these scenarios. The most likely reason for something like that to happen is you are a muslim, and if its not that its probably because you hate jews, maybe even both. Either way, you are broken.

All of Palestine is a declared no go zone for Israeli settlers. Does that mean that Israeli settlers can be killed at will?

 

[georgephillip]

Does anyone know if there were weapons in the settler's car?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Does anyone know if there were weapons in the settler's car?

Probably, I believe that Israel requires settlers to be armed. They would not be "civilians" if you define them the same way that armed Palestinians are defined i.e. militants. One of them was a terrorist who frequently attack unarmed Palestinians.

 

[georgephillip]

Both Arabs and Jews employed militia to terrorize the "enemy" during the '48 Arab-Israeli War and the Civil War that preceded it.

"Civil war"? As in the arab massacres of jews in hebron and jerusalem? Please do some further reading, and not from hate sites or other similar non-credible sources.

...my limited reading of history ...

At least you've made one claim with a factual basis...



This might be the best piece of advice I provide on this forum: do NOT under any circumstances use that website as a source, EVER, if you are trying to make a point and be considered as a credible poster.

You'll be instantly written off on any serious poli forum, and lumped in with the stormfront assholes. Not even arab supporters who are of good intent will go near it.

I say this b/c unlike some of the other filth here like shogun, tinmore, etc., who are mentally sick and have no interest in increasing their knowledge of the actual facts - they are merely jew-hating trash, your problem is simply a lack of knowledge, as it would appear you lack the same base jew-hatred they have.

believes his fellow combat vets weren't responsible for the theft of Arab property. He blames "..the rear echelon, the transport and quartermaster troops, the cronies of people in power, who came with lorries and trucks and loaded up everything they came across."

Again, this is why you do not use garbage web sites as a source...does that claim even make sense?

A country that formed basically hours before, with limited resources, has thousands of well-functioning trucks - supplied with lots of diesel, no less - to transfer HUNDREDS of thousands of arabs out of the area?

And how on earth, assuming you have any combat experience, could the jews possibly have an established, functional and organizationally structured army with distinctions between "front-line troops" - little more than holocaust survivors with WW1 rifles - not have a clue what their brothers in arms were doing near them?

THE STORY AND CLAIM MAKE NO SENSE. This is where the line between irrational hatred and thoughtful questioning of claims comes in.

First this writer claimed at one time that is was the troops who conducted the "attacks," now its the backing "operational" soldiers...how many more times will he change his story when exposed as a liar?

Before you look to this clown as credible, read a bit more about him, like how he wanted to attack arab regimes and overthrow their governments:

Uri Avnery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm almost surprised you are ignorant and arrogant enough to confuse Uri Avnery with a clown. Almost.

"He (Avnery) is famous for crossing the lines during the Battle of Beirut to meet Yassir Arafat on 3 July 1982, the first time the Palestinian leader ever met with an Israeli. (Wiki)

"Avnery is the author of several books about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including 1948: A Soldier’s Tale, the Bloody Road to Jerusalem (2008); Israel’s Vicious Circle (2008); and My Friend, the Enemy (1986).

Avnery was one of the founders of Semitic Action a group which argued for a regional federation of Israel with its neighbors in the 1950s.

This federation would have begun with Israelis and Palestinians uniting to overthrow the Hashemite monarchy in Jordan.

"Israel would then form a federation with the new Palestinian Jordanian state."

Think that vision might have made for a viable two-state solution, or did it make Uri a "clown" or a "liar"?

Uri Avnery has proven his commitment to Israel his entire life. From being wounded twice during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War to being stabbed multiple times in 1975 when he helped found the Israeli Council for Israeli-Palestinian Peace to his most recent beating in the aftermath of the Gaza flotilla raid.

If he's a clown, what are you?
A liar?

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

All of Palestine is a declared no go zone for Israeli settlers. Does that mean that Israeli settlers can be killed at will?

Acccording to RetiredGySgt, yes

 

[CurveLight]

Palestinian kills 4 Israelis on eve of peace talks - Yahoo! News

Palestinian gunmen opened fire Tuesday on an Israeli car in the West Bank and killed four passengers on the eve of a new round of Mideast peace talks in Washington. The Islamic militant group Hamas claimed responsibility.

The assailants attacked the car as it traveled near Hebron — a volatile city that has been a flash point of violence in the past. Some 500 ultranationalist Jewish settlers live in heavily fortified enclaves in the city amid more than 100,000 Palestinians.

One of the victims was pregnant, said police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld. Israel's national rescue service said the victims were two men and two women, and Israeli media said everyone in the car was killed.

Yeah. Killing pregnant women and unarmed men. That's what the Palis are all about.

Since the US and Israel are guilty of killing unarmed men, women, and children, what exactly is the basis for your bitch? Your own fantasies? Israel runs over an unarmed American woman and you fucking punks blame her.

 

[rhodescholar]

Since the US and Israel are guilty of killing unarmed men, women, and children, what exactly is the basis for your bitch? Your own fantasies? Israel runs over an unarmed American woman and you fucking punks blame her.

You're so mentally sick, please go back on your medication.

 

[CurveLight]

Since the US and Israel are guilty of killing unarmed men, women, and children, what exactly is the basis for your bitch? Your own fantasies? Israel runs over an unarmed American woman and you fucking punks blame her.

You're so mentally sick, please go back on your medication.

Wow. That was impressive. You've earned your username like Obushama earned the Peace Prize.

 

[jillian]

Since the US and Israel are guilty of killing unarmed men, women, and children, what exactly is the basis for your bitch? Your own fantasies? Israel runs over an unarmed American woman and you fucking punks blame her.

any country that has ever fought a war has killed innocents. That is part of war. The question becomes, then, who is one targeting.

The U.S. and Israel have never TARGETED innocents...

unlike the terrorists of hamas and their ilk. so any time you feel like not lying, i'm sure we'd all be thrilled.

 

[CurveLight]

Since the US and Israel are guilty of killing unarmed men, women, and children, what exactly is the basis for your bitch? Your own fantasies? Israel runs over an unarmed American woman and you fucking punks blame her.

any country that has ever fought a war has killed innocents. That is part of war. The question becomes, then, who is one targeting.

The U.S. and Israel have never TARGETED innocents...

unlike the terrorists of hamas and their ilk. so any time you feel like not lying, i'm sure we'd all be thrilled.

The US is the only nation in the history of humanity to target nukes on civilians. In the past ten years we are the only nation that has illegally invaded and occupied two nations that never attacked us. Sometimes facts get in the way.

It is also a known fact Israel has targeted unarmed civilians.

 

[Jos]

It is also a known fact Israel has targeted unarmed civilians.

Even under a white flag

 

[georgephillip]

Since the US and Israel are guilty of killing unarmed men, women, and children, what exactly is the basis for your bitch? Your own fantasies? Israel runs over an unarmed American woman and you fucking punks blame her.

any country that has ever fought a war has killed innocents. That is part of war. The question becomes, then, who is one targeting.

The U.S. and Israel have never TARGETED innocents...

unlike the terrorists of hamas and their ilk. so any time you feel like not lying, i'm sure we'd all be thrilled.

Howard Zinn would always point out that in between the deliberate targeting of civilians and the accidental killing of non-combatants lies the inevitable killing of innocents.

Firepower like that possessed by Israel and the US will inevitably kill civilians when turned loose in urban environments.

For me the bad news is a few Israeli and US non-combatants will get filthy rich from the killing.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Since the US and Israel are guilty of killing unarmed men, women, and children, what exactly is the basis for your bitch? Your own fantasies? Israel runs over an unarmed American woman and you fucking punks blame her.

any country that has ever fought a war has killed innocents. That is part of war. The question becomes, then, who is one targeting.

The U.S. and Israel have never TARGETED innocents...

unlike the terrorists of hamas and their ilk. so any time you feel like not lying, i'm sure we'd all be thrilled.

Knowingly and willingly killing civilians is not targeting civilians.

Hmmm...interesting premise.

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

Does anyone know if there were weapons in the settler's car?

Probably, I believe that Israel requires settlers to be armed. They would not be "civilians" if you define them the same way that armed Palestinians are defined i.e. militants. One of them was a terrorist who frequently attack unarmed Palestinians.

They were terorists then...

 

[Shogun]

Since the US and Israel are guilty of killing unarmed men, women, and children, what exactly is the basis for your bitch? Your own fantasies? Israel runs over an unarmed American woman and you fucking punks blame her.

any country that has ever fought a war has killed innocents. That is part of war. The question becomes, then, who is one targeting.

The U.S. and Israel have never TARGETED innocents...

unlike the terrorists of hamas and their ilk. so any time you feel like not lying, i'm sure we'd all be thrilled.

yea Jill... cluster bombs dropped on residential neighborhoods sure does back up your claim. Face it, you'd insist My Lai was a village of terrorists just to exonerate the killings if you had an ethnic dog in that race.