Palestinian Myth

[mdn2000]

So much anti-semitic threads based on the false premise of a, "Palestinian".

Historically when one referred to a Palestinian they spook of Jews, not Arabs. If the bigots on this site knew history they would know that Arabs are very proud of their heritage. Read any book prior to the 1970's, interview any, "Palestinian" prior to the 1970's and not one will call himself a Palestinian.

I challenge anyone to find a source that is prior to the 1960's where an Arab calls himself, Palestinian.

F L A M E : Arabian Fables (I): How the Arabs soften up world opinion with fanciful myths.

The "Palestinians." That is the fundamental myth. The reality is that the concept of “Palestinians” is one that did not exist until about 1948, when the Arab inhabitants of what until then was Palestine, wished to differentiate themselves from the Jews. Until then, the Jews were the Palestinians. There was the Palestinian Brigade of Jewish volunteers in the British World War II Army (at a time when the Palestinian Arabs were in Berlin hatching plans with Adolf Hitler for world conquest and how to kill all the Jews); there was the Palestinian Symphony Orchestra (all Jews, of course); there was The Palestine Post, and so much more.

The Arabs, who now call themselves “Palestinians,” do so in order to persuade a misinformed world that they are a distinct nationality and that “Palestine” is their ancestral homeland. But, of course, they are no distinct nationality at all. They are entirely the same — in language, customs, and tribal ties — as the Arabs of Syria, Jordan, and beyond. There is no more difference between the “Palestinians” and the other Arabs of those countries than there is between, say, the citizens of Minnesota and of Wisconsin.

What's more, many of the “Palestinians,” or their immediate ancestors, came to the area attracted by the prosperity created by the Jews, in what previously had been pretty much of a wasteland.

The nationhood of the “Palestinians” is a myth

 

[Marc39]

There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word.
Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years.
Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is
really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won
the land in the 1967 war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, the
West Bank was owned by Jordan, and there were no
"Palestinians."

As soon as the Jews took over and started growing
oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say
hello to the "Palestinians," weeping for their deep
bond with their lost "land" and "nation."

So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word
"Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful
folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone
points out they're being taped. Instead, let's call
them what they are: "Other Arabs Who Can't Accomplish
Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In
The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And
Death."

I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN.
How about this, then:

"Adjacent Jew-Haters." Okay, so the Adjacent
Jew-Haters want their own country. Oops, just one
more thing. No, they don't. They could've had their
own country any time in the last thirty years,
especially two years ago at Camp David. But if you
have your own country, you have to have traffic lights
and garbage trucks and Chambers of Commerce, and,
worse, you actually have to figure out some way to
make a living.

That's no fun. No, they want what all the other
Jew-Haters in the region want: Israel. They also want
a big pile of dead Jews, of course
--that's where the real fun is -- but mostly they want
Israel.

Dennis Miller on Palestinians

 

[mdn2000]

This will be an old dead thread shortly, nothing like the truth to keep the anti-semitics away

 

[Marc39]

This will be an old dead thread shortly, nothing like the truth to keep the anti-semitics away

Nah, I have an endless supply of shit to fuck over the Fakestinians with.

 

[Jos]

A Palestinian coin from 1931, Written in Arabic English and Hebrew

 

[Marc39]

[SIZE=""]A Palestinian coin from 1931, Written in Arabic English and Hebrew[/SIE]

"Palestine" was re-invented by the British in the 20th century during the Mandate, 1918 to 1948. The Palestine entity ceased to exist in 1948 with termination of the Mandate.

Your coin is circa. 1931 and is not of any significant historical value.

There is no reference to Palestine in the Hebrew Bible, Christian Bible, Quran or any ancient historical document or the archaeological record.

The correct historical geographical name of the land is Canaan and Judea, land of the Jewish people.

The Romans renamed Judea "Palaestina" 1500 years after Jews were living there and 500 years before the Muslim intruder invaded.

Your history lesson for the day.

 

[Jos]

As a geographic territory, what is generally thought of today as "Palestine," has had many names from the earliest times to the present. The ancient Egyptian name for the region was Kharu in the south and Retenu in the north. Prior to its conquest by the Israelite Hebrews under Joshua, it was known as the "Land of Canaan," and afterwards it received the name Eretz Yisrael - , or "land of Israel" (I Samuel 13:19). As recorded in Ezechiel (26:20), Palestine was also referred to as Eretz Chayim in Hebrew, - land of the living. However, the land east of the Jordan river was named separately as Ever ha'Yardan, - "the other side of Jordan." During the divided kingdom period after the death of King Solomon (10th to 6th century B.C.E.) the Northern and Southern Kingdoms were known as "Israel" (also Samaria) and "Judah" respectively. In the Northern Kingdom, the tribe of Ephraim was the largest, and for this reason, the Northern Kingdom was often called "Ephraim.". The Asserian king Adadnirari IV spoke of the "land of Omri" in referring to the Kingdom of Israel.

During the Hellenistic period from the 4th to the 2nd century B.C.E., Judah was referred to as Judea, the name retained in its use by both the New Testament and Roman authorities. However, the name "Palestine" was officially introduced in the period after 138 C.E., three years after the suppression of the Bar Kochba revolt. It was originally used as an adjective, Palaistinei - , derived from the Hebrew word, Pelashet - , or "land of the Pelashtim" (i.e., the Philistines). It was first mentioned by the Greek historian, Herodotus as the "Philistine Syria" - , referring originally only to the southwestern coast south of Phoenecia held by the Philistines, but was gradually extended to cover the entire region. In time, the name was shortened and the adjective Palaistinei became a proper noun. Philo of Alexandria, a contemporary of Jesus, identified Palaistinei with the biblical Canaan.

Palestine Coins and Banknotes - History of Palestine

 

[Marc39]

[SIZE=""]As a geographic territory, what is generally thought of today as "Palestine," has had many names from the earliest times to the present.

Incorrect. Canaan, Judah/Judea and Eretz Yisrael are the correct historical geographic names of the land. The Romans, who were not Semitic, renamed Judea "Palaestina" well after the Biblical period, named after the Philistines who were Aegean, not Semitic.

Eminent Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...

Official Roman usage of the name Palestine to designate the area of the former Jewish kingdom seems to date from after the Jewish risings and their suppression. The Emperor Hadrian made a determined attempt to stamp out the embers not only of the revolt but of Jewish nationahood and statehood.

It would seem that the name Judaea was abolished at the same time as Jerusalem and the country renamed Palestina or Syria-Palestina with the same intention to obliterate its historic Jewish identity.

Palestine was sometimes extended to include territories further east but was not usually applied to Judaea [Israel, today] , which in Roman times was still officially and commonly known by that name [Judea].

The name Palestine had never been used by Jews, for whom the normal name of the country, from the time of the Exodus to the present day, was Eretz Israel.

For Arabs, too, the term Palestine was unacceptable, though for other reasons. For Muslims it was alien and irrelevant but not abhorrent in the same way as it was to Jews. The main objection for them was that it seemed to assert a separate entity which politically conscious Arabs in Palestine and elsewhere denied. For them there was no such thing as a country called Palestine. The region which the British called Palestine was merely a separated part of a larger whole. For a long time organized and articulate Arab political opinion was virtually unanimous on this point.

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Your history lesson for the day

 

[mdn2000]

A Palestinian coin from 1931, Written in Arabic English and Hebrew

So you just proved that Palestine is British, notice the date, its not a Moslem date, as in AH.

Nice job, you just added more facts to our arsenal.

With education and intelligence one notices the details.

 

[mdn2000]

As a geographic territory, what is generally thought of today as "Palestine," has had many names from the earliest times to the present. The ancient Egyptian name for the region was Kharu in the south and Retenu in the north. Prior to its conquest by the Israelite Hebrews under Joshua, it was known as the "Land of Canaan," and afterwards it received the name Eretz Yisrael - , or "land of Israel" (I Samuel 13:19). As recorded in Ezechiel (26:20), Palestine was also referred to as Eretz Chayim in Hebrew, - land of the living. However, the land east of the Jordan river was named separately as Ever ha'Yardan, - "the other side of Jordan." During the divided kingdom period after the death of King Solomon (10th to 6th century B.C.E.) the Northern and Southern Kingdoms were known as "Israel" (also Samaria) and "Judah" respectively. In the Northern Kingdom, the tribe of Ephraim was the largest, and for this reason, the Northern Kingdom was often called "Ephraim.". The Asserian king Adadnirari IV spoke of the "land of Omri" in referring to the Kingdom of Israel.

During the Hellenistic period from the 4th to the 2nd century B.C.E., Judah was referred to as Judea, the name retained in its use by both the New Testament and Roman authorities. However, the name "Palestine" was officially introduced in the period after 138 C.E., three years after the suppression of the Bar Kochba revolt. It was originally used as an adjective, Palaistinei - , derived from the Hebrew word, Pelashet - , or "land of the Pelashtim" (i.e., the Philistines). It was first mentioned by the Greek historian, Herodotus as the "Philistine Syria" - , referring originally only to the southwestern coast south of Phoenecia held by the Philistines, but was gradually extended to cover the entire region. In time, the name was shortened and the adjective Palaistinei became a proper noun. Philo of Alexandria, a contemporary of Jesus, identified Palaistinei with the biblical Canaan.

Palestine Coins and Banknotes - History of Palestine

Where is your reply, are you hiding, where did you disappear to.

 

[Marc39]

A Palestinian coin from 1931, Written in Arabic English and Hebrew

So you just proved that Palestine is British, notice the date, its not a Moslem date, as in AH.

Nice job, you just added more facts to our arsenal.

With education and intelligence one notices the details.

"Palestine" was resurrected by the British, from Roman usage, during the British Mandate. During the previous 400 years of the Ottoman Empire, "Palestine" never existed and was viewed by Turks and Arabs as merely southern Syria or southern Lebanon, governed by Damascus and Beirut.

Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...

After the Ottoman conquest in 1516-17...Palestine was no longer used by Muslims, for whom it had never meant more than an administrative sub-district, and it had been forgotten even in that limited sense. In the final phase of this rule before the British conquest, Palestine was part of Beirut. The Palestine entity, formally established and defined by Britain, was formaly abolished in 1948 with the termination of the Mandate.

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