Palestinian Christians 2012

[P F Tinmore]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaeRPz826Y0&feature=fvsr]Palestinian Christians 2012 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[MJB12741]

Hmmm! Who was it that killed America's beloved Bobby kennedy?

Palestinian Christians 2012 - YouTube

 

[P F Tinmore]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UB2Fctr9uw&feature=related]***Arab Christians*** - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Hossfly]

***Arab Christians*** - YouTube

Perhaps Tinmore can give us the population of the Christians in Palestine let's say 20 years ago and the population there now. Perhaps then he will wake up and think to himself -- Will the last Christian in Palestine, please turn off the lights. After he tell us about the populations of Christians at two different periods of time, perhaps he can explain to us why Christians are always being murdered in the Middle East by Muslims. For example, we see what is happening to the Christian Copts now in Egypt. Unless Tinmore is a Muslim, apparently he comes originally from a Christian family. Is he aware that before the Muslims left the Saudi Peninsula the different Middle East countries were made up of the original Christians. Doesn't he have a problem that the descendents of these original Christians can't even practice their religion in peace or does he close his eyes to it? History of Jihad against the Egyptian Coptic Christians (640)

 

[P F Tinmore]

***Arab Christians*** - YouTube

Perhaps Tinmore can give us the population of the Christians in Palestine let's say 20 years ago and the population there now. Perhaps then he will wake up and think to himself -- Will the last Christian in Palestine, please turn off the lights. After he tell us about the populations of Christians at two different periods of time, perhaps he can explain to us why Christians are always being murdered in the Middle East by Muslims. For example, we see what is happening to the Christian Copts now in Egypt. Unless Tinmore is a Muslim, apparently he comes originally from a Christian family. Is he aware that before the Muslims left the Saudi Peninsula the different Middle East countries were made up of the original Christians. Doesn't he have a problem that the descendents of these original Christians can't even practice their religion in peace or does he close his eyes to it? History of Jihad against the Egyptian Coptic Christians (640)

At the time of the creation of the Israeli state in 1948, it is estimated that the Christians of Palestine numbered some 350,000. Almost 20 percent of the total population at the time, they constituted a vibrant and ancient community; their forbears had listened to St. Peter in Jerusalem as he preached at the first Pentecost. Yet Zionist doctrine held that Palestine was “a land without a people for a people without a land.” Of the 750,000 Palestinians that were forced from their homes in 1948, some 50,000 were Christians—7 percent of the total number of refugees and 35 percent of the total number of Christians living in Palestine at the time.

In the process of “Judaizing” Palestine, numerous convents, hospices, seminaries, and churches were either destroyed or cleared of their Christian owners and custodians. In one of the most spectacular attacks on a Christian target, on May 17, 1948, the Armenian Orthodox Patriarchate was shelled with about 100 mortar rounds—launched by Zionist forces from the already occupied monastery of the Benedictine Fathers on Mount Zion. The bombardment also damaged St. Jacob’s Convent, the Archangel’s Convent, and their appended churches, their two elementary and seminary schools, as well as their libraries, killing eight people and wounding 120.

The American Conservative -- Forgotten Christians

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG-omVgdnNM]Palestinians in Bethlehem face eviction - 24 Dec 08 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Hossfly]

***Arab Christians*** - YouTube

Perhaps Tinmore can give us the population of the Christians in Palestine let's say 20 years ago and the population there now. Perhaps then he will wake up and think to himself -- Will the last Christian in Palestine, please turn off the lights. After he tell us about the populations of Christians at two different periods of time, perhaps he can explain to us why Christians are always being murdered in the Middle East by Muslims. For example, we see what is happening to the Christian Copts now in Egypt. Unless Tinmore is a Muslim, apparently he comes originally from a Christian family. Is he aware that before the Muslims left the Saudi Peninsula the different Middle East countries were made up of the original Christians. Doesn't he have a problem that the descendents of these original Christians can't even practice their religion in peace or does he close his eyes to it? History of Jihad against the Egyptian Coptic Christians (640)

At the time of the creation of the Israeli state in 1948, it is estimated that the Christians of Palestine numbered some 350,000. Almost 20 percent of the total population at the time, they constituted a vibrant and ancient community; their forbears had listened to St. Peter in Jerusalem as he preached at the first Pentecost. Yet Zionist doctrine held that Palestine was “a land without a people for a people without a land.” Of the 750,000 Palestinians that were forced from their homes in 1948, some 50,000 were Christians—7 percent of the total number of refugees and 35 percent of the total number of Christians living in Palestine at the time.

In the process of “Judaizing” Palestine, numerous convents, hospices, seminaries, and churches were either destroyed or cleared of their Christian owners and custodians. In one of the most spectacular attacks on a Christian target, on May 17, 1948, the Armenian Orthodox Patriarchate was shelled with about 100 mortar rounds—launched by Zionist forces from the already occupied monastery of the Benedictine Fathers on Mount Zion. The bombardment also damaged St. Jacob’s Convent, the Archangel’s Convent, and their appended churches, their two elementary and seminary schools, as well as their libraries, killing eight people and wounding 120.

The American Conservative -- Forgotten Christians

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG-omVgdnNM]Palestinians in Bethlehem face eviction - 24 Dec 08 - YouTube[/ame]

Have you forgotten that the Arab leaders were telling people to leave and that when they defeated Israel, the people could come back and take over the property of the Jews. Meanwhile, why not read this about the Christians in Bethlehem, written by an Arab himself. It appears you have no problem with the Muslims taking over the lands of the early Christians such as Egypt. Your big problem seems to be the Jews, and whatever the Muslims do to the Christians doesn't elicit any condemnation from you. At least the Christians in Israel can practice their beliefs in peace. Can you say the same thing for the descendents of the early Christians who are living in Egypt. The Beleaguered Christians in Bethlehem :: Stonegate Institute

 

[P F Tinmore]

Perhaps Tinmore can give us the population of the Christians in Palestine let's say 20 years ago and the population there now. Perhaps then he will wake up and think to himself -- Will the last Christian in Palestine, please turn off the lights. After he tell us about the populations of Christians at two different periods of time, perhaps he can explain to us why Christians are always being murdered in the Middle East by Muslims. For example, we see what is happening to the Christian Copts now in Egypt. Unless Tinmore is a Muslim, apparently he comes originally from a Christian family. Is he aware that before the Muslims left the Saudi Peninsula the different Middle East countries were made up of the original Christians. Doesn't he have a problem that the descendents of these original Christians can't even practice their religion in peace or does he close his eyes to it? History of Jihad against the Egyptian Coptic Christians (640)

At the time of the creation of the Israeli state in 1948, it is estimated that the Christians of Palestine numbered some 350,000. Almost 20 percent of the total population at the time, they constituted a vibrant and ancient community; their forbears had listened to St. Peter in Jerusalem as he preached at the first Pentecost. Yet Zionist doctrine held that Palestine was “a land without a people for a people without a land.” Of the 750,000 Palestinians that were forced from their homes in 1948, some 50,000 were Christians—7 percent of the total number of refugees and 35 percent of the total number of Christians living in Palestine at the time.

In the process of “Judaizing” Palestine, numerous convents, hospices, seminaries, and churches were either destroyed or cleared of their Christian owners and custodians. In one of the most spectacular attacks on a Christian target, on May 17, 1948, the Armenian Orthodox Patriarchate was shelled with about 100 mortar rounds—launched by Zionist forces from the already occupied monastery of the Benedictine Fathers on Mount Zion. The bombardment also damaged St. Jacob’s Convent, the Archangel’s Convent, and their appended churches, their two elementary and seminary schools, as well as their libraries, killing eight people and wounding 120.

The American Conservative -- Forgotten Christians

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG-omVgdnNM]Palestinians in Bethlehem face eviction - 24 Dec 08 - YouTube[/ame]

Have you forgotten that the Arab leaders were telling people to leave and that when they defeated Israel, the people could come back and take over the property of the Jews. Meanwhile, why not read this about the Christians in Bethlehem, written by an Arab himself. It appears you have no problem with the Muslims taking over the lands of the early Christians such as Egypt. Your big problem seems to be the Jews, and whatever the Muslims do to the Christians doesn't elicit any condemnation from you. At least the Christians in Israel can practice their beliefs in peace. Can you say the same thing for the descendents of the early Christians who are living in Egypt. The Beleaguered Christians in Bethlehem :: Stonegate Institute

Have you forgotten that the Arab leaders were telling people to leave and that when they defeated Israel,..

It is not that I have forgotten. It is that this is not true.

 

[abu afak]

This just from PA control/Oslo 1993-2001

Yasser Arafat's Exemplary Christian Spirit (Avi Davis) February, 2002
Feb 2002

"...The fate of BETHLEHEM offers a fine example. Since 1994, when Arafat first came to administer Bethlehem the Christian population has gradually been reduced from a 60% majority in Bethlehem to a mere 20%.
This Arafat ensured by first gerrymandering the municipal boundaries of the city, extending them to include the neighboring refugee camps – Dehaisheh, El-Ayda and El-Azeh and adding a few thousand from the Ta'amarah Bedouin tribe.

Concurrently Arafat fired the city council which was composed of 9 Christians and 2 Moslems while appointing Muhammed A- Hjabari, a Moslem from Hebron as mayor. The entire political structure of the city – in the bureaucratic, security and political spheres were eventually Cleansed of Christians. Today the Bethlehem region is in reality run by the local Fatah leader and his Thugs.

The physical and psychological intimidation of Palestinian Chrisitian Arabs throughout the territory then proceeded rapidly. Mosques were erected in close proximity to churches in order to Oscure and Dominate them. This is the case with the Al Khanga and Abdul Malek mosques which today tower over the Church of the Nativity.

Christian cemeteries, convents and monasteries were Desecrated, their personnel intimidated and in places, their land confiscated.[......]

Not that it wasn't expected. The late Christian mayor of Bethlehem Elias Friej warned that the implementation of the Oslo Accords would result in Bethlehem becoming a town with churches but no Christians. For over 7 years Christian Arabs in East Jerusalem and other West Bank towns have besieged Israeli officials with requests for Israeli I. D. cards knowing full well that the institution of Palestinian rule would result in the kind of extortion and corruption seen wherever the PLO has hoisted its tent.

Those who know something about Persecution of Christians throughout the Arab world will not be shocked by what has occurred in the Palestinian Authority.

In Syria, Lebanon and Egypt, Christian populations suffer from both direct and indirect State sponsored discrimination. In other Muslim countries such as Nigeria and Indonesia there is open persecution of Christians while in the Sudan it is estimated that close to 2 Million Christians have lost their lives in the course of a bitter civil war. [.....]

And of course in 'Free Iraq' (since this 2002 article) they are Being Wiped out.

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[Wolverine1984]

Have you forgotten that the Arab leaders were telling people to leave and that when they defeated Israel,..

It is not that I have forgotten. It is that this is not true.

Wiki says it's still a matter of debate between historians.
I guss for you 'a matter of debate' means 'not true'.

 

[P F Tinmore]

This just from PA control/Oslo 1993-2001

Yasser Arafat's Exemplary Christian Spirit (Avi Davis) February, 2002
Feb 2002

"...The fate of BETHLEHEM offers a fine example. Since 1994, when Arafat first came to administer Bethlehem the Christian population has gradually been reduced from a 60% majority in Bethlehem to a mere 20%.
This Arafat ensured by first gerrymandering the municipal boundaries of the city, extending them to include the neighboring refugee camps – Dehaisheh, El-Ayda and El-Azeh and adding a few thousand from the Ta'amarah Bedouin tribe.

Concurrently Arafat fired the city council which was composed of 9 Christians and 2 Moslems while appointing Muhammed A- Hjabari, a Moslem from Hebron as mayor. The entire political structure of the city – in the bureaucratic, security and political spheres were eventually Cleansed of Christians. Today the Bethlehem region is in reality run by the local Fatah leader and his Thugs.

The physical and psychological intimidation of Palestinian Chrisitian Arabs throughout the territory then proceeded rapidly. Mosques were erected in close proximity to churches in order to Oscure and Dominate them. This is the case with the Al Khanga and Abdul Malek mosques which today tower over the Church of the Nativity.

Christian cemeteries, convents and monasteries were Desecrated, their personnel intimidated and in places, their land confiscated.[......]

Not that it wasn't expected. The late Christian mayor of Bethlehem Elias Friej warned that the implementation of the Oslo Accords would result in Bethlehem becoming a town with churches but no Christians. For over 7 years Christian Arabs in East Jerusalem and other West Bank towns have besieged Israeli officials with requests for Israeli I. D. cards knowing full well that the institution of Palestinian rule would result in the kind of extortion and corruption seen wherever the PLO has hoisted its tent.

Those who know something about Persecution of Christians throughout the Arab world will not be shocked by what has occurred in the Palestinian Authority.

In Syria, Lebanon and Egypt, Christian populations suffer from both direct and indirect State sponsored discrimination. In other Muslim countries such as Nigeria and Indonesia there is open persecution of Christians while in the Sudan it is estimated that close to 2 Million Christians have lost their lives in the course of a bitter civil war. [.....]

And of course in 'Free Iraq' (since this 2002 article) they are Being Wiped out.

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Since 1994, when Arafat first came to administer Bethlehem...

Israel brought Arafat back from exile to outsource the occupations to a Palestinian face.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Have you forgotten that the Arab leaders were telling people to leave and that when they defeated Israel,..

It is not that I have forgotten. It is that this is not true.

Wiki says it's still a matter of debate between historians.
I guss for you 'a matter of debate' means 'not true'.

So, what is your conclusion after studying both sides of that debate.

 

[Wolverine1984]

It is not that I have forgotten. It is that this is not true.

Wiki says it's still a matter of debate between historians.
I guess for you 'a matter of debate' means 'not true'.

So, what is your conclusion after studying both sides of that debate.

It's impossible to know.There is not enough concrete impartial evidence to come to a conclusion, hence the issue is still a matter of debate between historians.
That is why you can't possibly know if it's true or not , and if you can't know you can't say it isn't true.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Wiki says it's still a matter of debate between historians.
I guess for you 'a matter of debate' means 'not true'.

So, what is your conclusion after studying both sides of that debate.

It's impossible to know.There is not enough concrete impartial evidence to come to a conclusion, hence the issue is still a matter of debate between historians.
That is why you can't possibly know if it's true or not , and if you can't know you can't say it isn't true.

That is why you can't possibly know if it's true or not , and if you can't know you can't say it isn't true.

If that is the case, why do you post it like it was true?

 

[Hossfly]

Palestinians in Bethlehem face eviction - 24 Dec 08 - YouTube

Have you forgotten that the Arab leaders were telling people to leave and that when they defeated Israel, the people could come back and take over the property of the Jews. Meanwhile, why not read this about the Christians in Bethlehem, written by an Arab himself. It appears you have no problem with the Muslims taking over the lands of the early Christians such as Egypt. Your big problem seems to be the Jews, and whatever the Muslims do to the Christians doesn't elicit any condemnation from you. At least the Christians in Israel can practice their beliefs in peace. Can you say the same thing for the descendents of the early Christians who are living in Egypt. The Beleaguered Christians in Bethlehem :: Stonegate Institute

Have you forgotten that the Arab leaders were telling people to leave and that when they defeated Israel,..

It is not that I have forgotten. It is that this is not true.

You can believe your version of history, Tinmore, but that doesn't make it true.

 

[Wolverine1984]

So, what is your conclusion after studying both sides of that debate.

It's impossible to know.There is not enough concrete impartial evidence to come to a conclusion, hence the issue is still a matter of debate between historians.
That is why you can't possibly know if it's true or not , and if you can't know you can't say it isn't true.

That is why you can't possibly know if it's true or not , and if you can't know you can't say it isn't true.

If that is the case, why do you post it like it was true?

I didn't.
I pointed out that you can't know, and if you can't know you can't say it's not true.
And if you say it isn't true,while the fact is that you can't know, then you either knowingly lie or base your claim on false information.