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  1. RoccoR
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    RE: Palestine Today
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    It is a rigged question.

    (COMMENT)

    The Israelis were not the foreign troops and the territory was not sovereign Arab Palestinian.

    I know that you like to think this way, because it fits your scenario, BUT once again, the Arab Palestinians:

    ◈ Had NO sovereignty invaded.

    ◈ Were NOT a party to the conflict as either a waring party or a political entity under siege.​

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    RE: Palestine Today
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    (POINT)

    You are attempting to use a "layman's term" (invade) and apply it to a complex question.

    Technically we are discussing "Acts of Aggression" (political terminology) or "nuisance per se" (international legal terminology):

    (political terminology)
    "Aggression" is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition.

    Explanatory note: In this Definition the term "State":

    1. (a) Is used without prejudice to questions of recognition or to whether a State is a member of the United Nations;
      (b) Includes the concept of a "group of States" where appropriate.
    (international legal terminology)
    "nuisance per se" is an act, occupation, or structure that is a nuisance at all times and under any circumstances, regardless of its location
    or surroundings; acts that are denounced as illegal by law, when perpetration of them invades rights of others. From
    an evidentiary point of view once a nuisance per se is established by proof, it becomes a nuisance as a matter of
    law.​

    I recommend that you either go all one way or all the other way; but not mix and match (propaganda manipulation). The reason you never see it put in this fashion is that the initial assault by the Forces of the Arab League (May 1948) would come under the heading of "nuisance per se" placing them unequivocally outside the law. The international political body nor the international courts want to make such a commitment. They would rather it be held in abeyance pending further investigation (now in its seventh decade).

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    Bullshit! It is a time honored means of resisting oppression.

     
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    Foreigners went to Palestine, drove the people out at the point of a gun and stole their land.

    What is complex?
     
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    Neither did the three boys that were murdered. Why didn’t you mention them ? Because Jewish lives do not matter
     
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    RE: Palestine Today
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    You cannot believe it. I understand. But the law is totally opposed to your concept of "right and wrong (AKA: The Rule of Law).

    (COMMENT)

    I have copied Article 68 of the Fourth Geneva Convention more than two-dozen times for you. It does not matter how you wrap it, or paint it, the fact is that YOU are wrong in two ways:

    ◈ By furthering the notion that such actions as "stone-throwing" are legal ("time-honored") is a form of encouragement of those that prone to such actions.

    ◈ By furthering the notion that "stone-throwing" (solely intended to harm the Occupying Power) is not illegal, you are abandoning Customary and International Humanitarian Law (IHL) in favor of an afront to Article 43 Hague Regulation on matters of public order and safety.

    Your encouragement of such harmful acts of defiance is understood, given the irrational, emotional and lack of intellectual development of the Arab Palestinian community. But that does not mean that it is any less improper or illegal to conduct intentional offenses which can cause serious injury or death.

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    Because your perspective is missing bits of key information.

    ◈ "Foreigners went to Palestine" → the bits missing are:

    ✦ Foreign Forces went to Palestine as a part of the greater effort to defeat the Ottoman Empire in the course of combating the Axis Powers in the Great War (World War One - WWI).​

    ◈ "drove the people out at the point of a gun" → the bits missing are:

    ✦ It is generally the case that major conflicts throughout history have an unintended consequence of creating genuine refugees and displaced persons. ​

    ◈ "stole their land" → the bits missing are:

    ✦ The Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounces all rights to the territories situated outside the frontier of Turkey.

    ✦ The territories and islands released by Treaty to the Allied Powers.

    ✦ The future of the renounced territories and islands to be settled by the parties concerned.​

    Your attempt to simplify the issues on the "Question of Palestine" does not come even remotely close to the key issues in hand.

    REMEMBER: The 1967 Six-Day War started when the Arab League Forces renounced the Armistice Agreement and evicted the UN Emergency Force (Sinai Desert) between Egypt and Israel. The 1967 Six-Day War was not a separate war of its own, but the renewed engagement of enemy forces precipitated by the 1948 Israeli War of Independence. The 1967 Six-Day War was concluded in stages, with the first in 1979 with the Treaty of Peace between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel. The second stage was marked by the Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty was signed in October 1994.

    (EPILOG)

    How has the Hostile Arab Palestinian worked for them, and helped them accomplish their goal?

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    What could be worse then :cuckoo: stating ( as he did in one of my posts) that Israel initiated the 67 War?
     
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    There you go again with another false premise. Israel has never been about public order and safety. It has always been about ethnic cleansing and land theft.
     
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    The Palestinian elderly Fadel Hamdan from Jab'a village in central West Bank was assaulted and beaten up by Zionist Israeli settlers while he was trying to prevent them from stealing his olives !

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