"Palestine" to Deny Citizenship to 45% of its Pal Residents

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    A reminder to all well-meaning israelophiles of all denominations out there, who thinks that, once palistanians get a state of their own and all the acrobatic bending over backwards is done to service their "social, historic, economic" and somesuch "justice" absurdities, the conflict will be over and palistanians will be living happily ever after in trade and harmony with their neighbor, you are delusional.

    The ambassador unequivocally says that Palestinian refugees would not become citizens of the sought for U.N.-recognized Palestinian state, an issue that has been much discussed. “They are Palestinians, that’s their identity,” he says. "But … they are not automatically citizens."
    This would not only apply to refugees in countries such as Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and Jordan or the other 132 countries where Abdullah says Palestinians reside. Abdullah said that "even Palestinian refugees who are living in [refugee camps] inside the [Palestinian] state, they are still refugees. They will not be considered citizens."
    Abdullah said that the new Palestinian state would "absolutely not" be issuing Palestinian passports to refugees.
    Neither this definitional status nor U.N. statehood, Abdullah says, would affect the eventual return of refugees to Palestine. "How the issue of the right of return will be solved I don’t know, it’s too early [to say], but it is a sacred right that has to be dealt with and solved [with] the acceptance of all." He says statehood "will never affect the right of return for Palestinian refugees."

    For years, the world has backed a Palestinian state on the grounds Palestinians are stateless people who deserve a country of their own. And now, a senior Palestinian official has announced once they have received a state, most Palestinians will still be stateless – even those who actually live in "Palestine."
    But of course, the PA doesn’t want a state to serve its people’s needs; it wants a state to further its goal of destroying Israel. Hence the refugees can’t be given citizenship; that would undermine its demand to resettle them in Israel, thereby destroying the Jewish state


    There you are, same old arab sweet dreams of plundering jews and all the actions in furtherance of the goal.
     
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    You are misinterpreting what he said.
     
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    Really? Perhaps then you would interpret for us what Ambassador Abdullah said:

    "The ambassador unequivocally says that Palestinian refugees would not become citizens of the sought for U.N.-recognized Palestinian state, an issue that has been much discussed. “They are Palestinians, that’s their identity,” he says. “But … they are not automatically citizens.”
    This would not only apply to refugees in countries such as Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and Jordan or the other 132 countries where Abdullah says Palestinians reside. Abdullah said that “even Palestinian refugees who are living in [refugee camps] inside the [Palestinian] state, they are still refugees. They will not be considered citizens

    Who would be considered a citizen in a new state of Palestine? | Mondoweiss
     
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    What he is saying that only refugees from 1967 occupied Palestine would be citizens of a state consisting of 1967 occupied Palestine.

    Refugees from 1948 occupied Palestine is a separate issue.
     
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    Really? Are you trying to somehow justify the exclusion of 56% of current residents of what may someday constitute a "Palestinian" state from citizenship (not to mention the 1.6 million "Palestinians" inside Israel)?

    "But the state Abdullah foresees would deny equal participation, and hence fair representation at the United Nations and other international bodies, not only to the 5.3 million refugees living outside historic Palestine, as Goodwin-Gill warned, but also to nearly two million inside the 1967 territories. These comprise 45% of the West Bank’s Palestinian population and a whopping 67% of the Gaza Strip’s, excluding a total of 56% of the proposed state’s residents from citizenship. And this does not count 1.6 million Palestinians inside Israel, including hundreds of thousands of internally-displaced refugees."
    Who would be considered a citizen in a new state of Palestine? | Mondoweiss
     
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    Sounds like an apartheid state to me.
     
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    i dunno there, boss. maybe it is de rigeur for this board to not post the source and author...or to link two different articles so that they appear as one, but to me, it seems pretty deceptive and shifty. i hope to god you are a gentile, because we have too many posters in this forum reinforcing unfair, negative stereotypes of jews.

    i think it may be appropriate at this time to also caution pro-israel gentile posters to be aware of this. is it fair...definitely not. is it real...well, that's just the way it is.

    also, and from the the daily star article in your post, that you quoted..."Neither this definitional status nor U.N. statehood, Abdullah says, would affect the eventual return of refugees to Palestine. "How the issue of the right of return will be solved I don’t know, it’s too early [to say], but it is a sacred right that has to be dealt with and solved [with] the acceptance of all." He says statehood "will never affect the right of return for Palestinian refugees."
    all he is really saying is that there is a process...sheesh. ya don't think israeli officials are going to pitch one major bitch if the 5,000,000 refugees of their own making rush into the west bank.

    my compliments though. it is nice to finally see a zionist concerned about the welfare of the refugees. good on you. i think a solution to their plight, and an obvious problem for all parties, is to have the various western powers involved absorb them into their countries, with israel paying reparations similar to the way the vuctims of the holocaust were paid...well, without a middle man like the bank leuim involved. hell, i bet even the USA could absorb most of them.

    somehow though, i got a feelin' your gonna squeal like a poked pig over that idea.
     
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    Refugees have the right to return to their homes.

    If someone who is a refugee from Jaffa is living in Gaza and Gaza becomes part of a state called Palestine, He still has not returned to his home.

    Why would his refugee status change?
     
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    Te underlined part is a hyper-link to the source material, genius

    Or are you too busy spewing nonsense to actually check?
     
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    look, MADAM. i really do not know what your major malfunction is but you really may want to check your fire next time and think before you go shooting your mouth off.

    now, as to "Te underlined part is a hyper-link to the source material, genius" i am well aware that there were hyper-links. i am also aware that a lot of people do not click hyper-links, one of them seemingly being you. that was what my post was about, and something you were apparently unaware of, given your referral to them in the singular. the first two paragraphs of the hyper-linked material were from what appears to be a legitimate newspaper, albeit small and with a target audience. the third paragraph, however, was from an entirely different source, a right wing propaganda rag. the lack of spacing beteen the first two paragraphs and the third paragraph was deliberately deceptive at best, and at worst, a violation of the very same copyright laws that you, in the past, have expressed your concern about in a rather haughty manner.

    now, some people may feel threatened or intimidated by what you imagine is your bully pulpit but i am not one of those inclined to cower at your abuse of whatever power or position you might imagine you have. nor am i one to tolerate without comment your foul moods.it would probably be wise on your part to clean up your act immediately.

    now, if you will excuse me, i have other things to do. i will forego the obligatory tit for tat rebuke of calling you genius because i do not think you are one and if i actually cared to insult you, i would have at least shown the initiative to to come up with something a little less pedestrian "genius."

    now waddle your way out of here and try not to cross my path again. oh, and check with your legal team about copyright violations when you get to where you are going, why don't you. you are in dire need, BIG TIME, of a refresher course.

    thank you for your time and concern.
     

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