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    Biblical Historian and Scholar Dr. Paula Fredriksen, Ph.D, History of Religion, Princeton University, Diploma in Theology, Oxford University
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    BARTLET
    Charlie.

    CHARLIE
    Good morning.

    BARTLET
    How was your weekend?

    CHARLIE
    It was good, sir.

    BARTLET
    What'd you do?

    CHARLIE
    I was here most of the time with you, sir.

    BARTLET
    Time well spent.

    CHARLIE
    Yeah

    BARTLET
    Weren't you going to a flea market?

    CHARLIE
    Yeah, I picked something up for you.

    BARTLET
    You didn't have to do that.

    CHARLIE
    Yeah? It's a map of the Holy Land that was drawn in 1709. It's titled "Canaan, Palestine, or the Holy Land."

    BARTLET
    Nice sucking up.

    CHARLIE
    Thank you, sir.

    BARTLET
    Look at these topographical details. Seriously, I'm going to have this framed, this is great.

    CHARLIE
    If you leave it here, I'll send it out.

    BARTLET
    No, I'm going to play with it some more.

    LEO
    Good morning.

    BARTLET
    Look at this map. 1709. The Dead Sea, Jordan River, Mount Sinai.

    LEO
    That's beautiful.

    BARTLET
    You want to come inside?

    LEO
    Yeah.

    BARTLET
    Thanks again, Charlie.

    SCENE 2.

    BARTLET
    All right. Hey, you want to see something? Charlie gave this to me. It's a map of the Holy Land, drawn in 1709. He got at a flea market. It's hand-colored, copper engraved. I was going to put it in the outer office.

    TOBY
    This outer office?

    BARTLET
    Yeah.

    TOBY
    No.

    BARTLET
    Why?

    TOBY
    Why?

    BARTLET
    Yeah.

    TOBY
    'Cause some people are going to find it offensive.

    BARTLET
    Why?

    TOBY
    It doesn't recognize Israel.

    BARTLET
    It was drawn in 1709.

    TOBY
    Yeah.

    BARTLET
    There was no Israel.

    TOBY
    Right.

    BARTLET
    Israel wouldn't happen for another 250 years.

    TOBY
    Yeah.

    BARTLET
    So, what's the problem with the map?

    TOBY
    Some people are going to find it offensive.

    BARTLET
    Why?

    TOBY
    It doesn't recognize Israel.

    BARTLET
    Take lunch, would you?

    SCENE 3.

    BARTLET
    Wait. I want to show you this great map Charlie found.

    C.J.
    Sir, I know about it. You can't put it up in the West Wing.

    BARTLET
    C.J.?!

    C.J.
    It doesn't recognize Israel.

    BARTLET
    There was no Israel in 1709.

    C.J.
    That's right.

    BARTLET
    So, it's not on the map.

    C.J.
    Which is what some people are going to find offensive.

    BARTLET
    That's ridiculous.

    C.J.
    You know what would be great?

    BARTLET
    If I put it someplace else?

    C.J.
    Yes.

    BARTLET
    Leo has--in what used to be his house when he was married--a map of the United States. The first third of it is the 13 original colonies. The second third of it is the French territory of Louisiana. And the third third is Mexico. In this map of the United States, there is not a single state. That's because when this map was made there was no United States.

    CHARLIE knocks and enters.

    BARTLET
    I am the President of the United States and I'm not offended by it.

    C.J.
    Well, you're bigger than ten men, sir. What do you say we put it out of the way?

    BARTLET
    I'm having it enlarged and bolting it to the hood of my limo. They don't want us to put up our map, Charlie. They're philistines in the fight for freedom but that doesn't bother us, does it?

    CHARLIE
    Huh?

    BARTLET
    Never mind.

    C.J.
    It's not like I'm agreeing with the people who are going to be offended. It's just that you're asking for a whole lot of pain, in exchange for which you get nothing but an old map.

    BARTLET
    That's the key. An old map. An old map. Spin that.

    C.J.
    See, now you got me out there spinning things.

    BARTLET
    Anything else?

    SCENE 4.

    BARTLET
    No. Let me ask you something. You may be the last sane voice around here.

    LEO
    Hang on, before I forget. That map that Charlie gave you. Make sure you don't put it where people can see it.

    BARTLET
    I don't believe this.

    LEO
    Recognizing Israel's a pretty hot button, wouldn't you say?

    BARTLET
    In Lebanon. Not here. It's not like I'm thinking "God, I was going to recognize Israel, but now that I've seen this map..." You know what? Let's just sit here quietly.

    LEO
    Yes, sir
     
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    There was no Israel in 1709?

    Nobody can find a 1948 map of Israel.
     
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    Palestine's borders were defined in 1922.

    What changes have been made since then?

    What border disputes have there been?
     
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