Pakistan Hates Us

[Contumacious]

Gotta love it. The Right Wing around here is siding with Pakistan...a country which hid the worst terrorist in US history.

And you call yourselves patriots?

To funny.

No one is siding with Pakistan.

Why?

Isn't is a fact that war criminal Bush threatened to bomb the fuck out of Pakistan if it refused to participate in the "war on terror" ?!?!?!?!?

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[American Horse]

way to go demoncrats. way to go they hate our guts and you still have to send them billions of dollars.. outstanding.

I'm pissed as hell that US aid is a good portion of their GDP.

Sometimes there's a need to secure allies, particularly questionable ones, with aid. Our "aid" to Pakistan was entirely military, and largely was required to came back to us through purchases of materials built by US companies.

That "aid" will be made up by someone else with a different agenda from ours.

 

[Sallow]

Good point, but than again what do you suggest we actually do? we have our troops in a country where the majority of the people despise us and don't want us there, do you think we should stay indefinently?

We should get out..but before doing so..do 2 things..

1. Ask them exactly what they want. Whether that be we build them something or whatever..and we do it.
2. Leave..but remind them that if they engage in the same sort of nonsense they engaged in before..we will be back. And the next time..we won't be sending in any troops. It will all be indiscriminate bombing.

Once we are out..we maintain an intelligence presence ready to wipe out any "noise makers" quickly. We also make ourselves available to them if they ever want to construct a sensible and coherent government.

The first thing you suggested would be very difficult to do because Afghanistan is a very fractured country, the people there are more loyal to their tribe than their own country. There are many different cultures, tribes and languages in Afghanistan, you could go to the north of the country and people will speak Tazik, Hazara and even Turkish, in the south they are mainly Pashtun and thats where the Talibans main base is. In the west there are alot of Afghans with Persian roots who speak Farsi and have ties in Iran, each of these different tribes and cultures will have a very different answer to your question, the Hazaras, Uzbeks and Taziks in the North would probably like us to stay and help rebuild their country while the Pashtuns want us gone yesterday.

It wouldn't be a yes or no thing..it would be in the vein of:

We are leaving fuckers, anything you guys want..like a beer from the fridge? Don't make us angry and have to come back here. Cause you wouldn't like us angry. Last time we were being nice..

 

[High_Gravity]

We should get out..but before doing so..do 2 things..

1. Ask them exactly what they want. Whether that be we build them something or whatever..and we do it.
2. Leave..but remind them that if they engage in the same sort of nonsense they engaged in before..we will be back. And the next time..we won't be sending in any troops. It will all be indiscriminate bombing.

Once we are out..we maintain an intelligence presence ready to wipe out any "noise makers" quickly. We also make ourselves available to them if they ever want to construct a sensible and coherent government.

The first thing you suggested would be very difficult to do because Afghanistan is a very fractured country, the people there are more loyal to their tribe than their own country. There are many different cultures, tribes and languages in Afghanistan, you could go to the north of the country and people will speak Tazik, Hazara and even Turkish, in the south they are mainly Pashtun and thats where the Talibans main base is. In the west there are alot of Afghans with Persian roots who speak Farsi and have ties in Iran, each of these different tribes and cultures will have a very different answer to your question, the Hazaras, Uzbeks and Taziks in the North would probably like us to stay and help rebuild their country while the Pashtuns want us gone yesterday.

It wouldn't be a yes or no thing..it would be in the vein of:

We are leaving fuckers, anything you guys want..like a beer from the fridge? Don't make us angry and have to come back here. Cause you wouldn't like us angry. Last time we were being nice..

I can see your point, an open ended US Military presence in Afghanistan will not work because unlike Japan, Germany and South Korea the Afghans don't seem interested in our help to rebuild and seem to resist us at every opportunity, most Afghans seem content to stay in mud huts, rape sheep and read the Quran all day, if thats how they want to live whatever, lets bring our men and women home.

 

[American Horse]

By Kimberly Dozier-Associated Press
Tuesday, November 29, 2011


WASHINGTON (AP) — NATO forces may have been lured into attacking friendly Pakistani border posts in a calculated maneuver by the Taliban, according to preliminary U.S. military reports on the deadliest friendly-fire incident with Pakistan since the Afghanistan war began.

The NATO airstrike killed 24 Pakistani soldiers over the weekend in an apparent case of mistaken identity, the Associated Press has learned.

A joint U.S.-Afghan patrol was attacked by the Taliban early Saturday morning. While pursuing the enemy in the poorly marked border area, the patrol seems to have mistaken one of the Pakistan troop outposts for a militant encampment and called in a NATO gunship and attack helicopters to open fire.

U.S. officials say the reports suggest the Taliban may have deliberately tried to provoke a cross-border firefight that would set back fragile partnerships between the U.S. and NATO forces and Pakistani soldiers at the ill-defined border. Officials described the records on condition of anonymity to discuss classified matters.

The incident has sent the perpetually difficult U.S.-Pakistan relationship into a tailspin.

On Tuesday, Pakistani Gen. Ashfaq Nadeem called the incident a “deliberate act of aggression” and said it was “next to impossible that NATO” did not know it was attacking Pakistani forces.





U.S. suspects NATO was lured into raid - Washington Times

 

[tyler89]

Pretty bad incident. Things like this do not make it easy to improve the relationsship to Pakistan. One you can not abandon (even if some politicans might think so), because of their strategical importance.