Pakistan Demands Expulsion of the CIA: Sign of a Break with the U.S.?

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Pakistan Demands Expulsion of the CIA: Sign of a Break with the U.S.?

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Pakistan has asked the CIA to all but shut down its operations in the country, demanding that the U.S. intelligence agency pull out 335 officers and contractors currently based there. Included in that number are special-forces advisers to the Pakistani security forces. Even in the worst days of the Cold War when the Soviet Union and the U.S. regularly declared each other's spies persona non grata, there was never an expulsion on this scale. And let's not forget that Pakistan is supposedly an ally.

Islamabad's immediate pretext for the expulsions was an American contractor's shooting and killing of two Pakistanis on Jan. 17, 2011. It's been reported in the press that the contractor had been working for the CIA. But other reasons cited in the country's press run the gamut, from anger over American "mercenaries" capriciously killing Pakistanis, to a suspicion that the CIA's real mission is to seize the country's nuclear weapons. And there has also been the old, lingering suspicion that the CIA somehow meddles in Pakistani politics.

The only part of the above that's true is the shooting of the two Pakistanis — an unfortunate incident, which in normal times would have barely dented Pakistani-American relations. On top of it there are credible reports that the Pakistanis killed had been working for Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI. Anyhow, the point is that Pakistan's army, which is behind the CIA expulsions, knows with absolute certainty that the CIA's sole mission in Pakistan is counterterrorism — to capture or kill Osama bin Laden and the rest of al-Qaeda. If the CIA has stepped on Pakistani toes, it's been inadvertent.

The Pakistani army also ought to know that there's no way that the U.S. can put all of its eggs in the Pakistani basket. Pakistani intelligence has had no better luck finding bin Laden than the CIA has, and if Pakistan won't or can't do it, the CIA has no choice but try on its own.

The CIA's job is also to look for omens of change, especially the bad ones. When a Pakistani mob burned the American embassy in Islamabad on Nov. 20, 1979, while the Pakistani police and the army looked on, the CIA was seriously worried that Pakistan would go the way of Ayatullah Khomeini's Iran — a regime enduringly hostile to the U.S. After all, unlike the mob in Tehran that seized the U.S. embassy there, the one in Islamabad intended to kill American diplomats rather than take them hostage.

Following the latest expulsions, I'd say the CIA ought to be wondering whether its old fears about Pakistan are coming closer to being realized. Remember, Pakistan receives more than $6 billion in American aid every year, and that's a lot for a poor country to put at risk by acting against its benefactor on the basis of popular suspicions that Pakistan's authorities know aren't true. Is the Pakistani army bowing to a popular rage not unlike the one that drove the mob that burned the embassy?

Read more: CIA Expulsion Suggests Pakistan Is Breaking with the U.S. - TIME
 
But now the Taliban are going to have the upper hand again, those drone strikes were taking our their upper and middle level leaders in Pakistan. Guess its time to pack it up in Afghanistan as well.
 
thats what I said in the link. *shrugs*

The pakis only 'serious' attempt to help was when the went partway into Waziristan in oct. 2009, it was, they had a few fire fights....eventually left.

Musharraf how was only slightly more aggressive than the bunch now was still head and shoulders more aggressive overall.


With this sanctuary now pretty much a no go, no fire zone , its over. period.
 
thats what I said in the link. *shrugs*

The pakis only 'serious' attempt to help was when the went partway into Waziristan in oct. 2009, it was, they had a few fire fights....eventually left.

Musharraf how was only slightly more aggressive than the bunch now was still head and shoulders more aggressive overall.


With this sanctuary now pretty much a no go, no fire zone , its over. period.

Yeah its done, the extra pressure in Pakistan is what helped turn the tide for our troops on the Afghan side, but thats done for. Its time to pack our bags and get our men and women out of that shit hole.:evil:
 
But now the Taliban are going to have the upper hand again, those drone strikes were taking our their upper and middle level leaders in Pakistan. Guess its time to pack it up in Afghanistan as well.

Of all this information, the most troubling concerns the duplicitous double dealing by Pakistan's powerful spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI. While some of the intelligence seems wildly implausible (surely the ISI did not plot to poison Kabul-bound beer, an enormously complex operation with limited pay off since US troops are not allowed to drink alcohol in Afghanistan), the WikiLeaks documents show a continued relationship between the ISI and the Taliban. This is not surprising. In the 1990s, the ISI helped create the Taliban and Pakistani support was decisive to the Taliban's capture of Kabul in 1996. WikiLeaks and the ISI-Taliban nexus | Peter Galbraith | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk


The ISI had been burned by the Bangladesh, who broke away due to ethnic diversity, and the Pakistanis remembered this., and would only support the Afghans against the Russians if they were fundementalists.

When push comes to shove, the ISI will repel the Taliban...remember the Red Mosque?

The real threat for the Pakistanis is, and always will be, India.
 
But now the Taliban are going to have the upper hand again, those drone strikes were taking our their upper and middle level leaders in Pakistan. Guess its time to pack it up in Afghanistan as well.

Of all this information, the most troubling concerns the duplicitous double dealing by Pakistan's powerful spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI. While some of the intelligence seems wildly implausible (surely the ISI did not plot to poison Kabul-bound beer, an enormously complex operation with limited pay off since US troops are not allowed to drink alcohol in Afghanistan), the WikiLeaks documents show a continued relationship between the ISI and the Taliban. This is not surprising. In the 1990s, the ISI helped create the Taliban and Pakistani support was decisive to the Taliban's capture of Kabul in 1996. WikiLeaks and the ISI-Taliban nexus | Peter Galbraith | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk


The ISI had been burned by the Bangladesh, who broke away due to ethnic diversity, and the Pakistanis remembered this., and would only support the Afghans against the Russians if they were fundementalists.

When push comes to shove, the ISI will repel the Taliban...remember the Red Mosque?

The real threat for the Pakistanis is, and always will be, India.

ISI plays a double game, they been doing it for a while now. They take US money, smile in our faces, and than aid and abit the Taliban at the same time. With them dismissing our CIA officers, I see no real reason for them to continue giving them aid moneys.
 
But now the Taliban are going to have the upper hand again, those drone strikes were taking our their upper and middle level leaders in Pakistan. Guess its time to pack it up in Afghanistan as well.

Of all this information, the most troubling concerns the duplicitous double dealing by Pakistan's powerful spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI. While some of the intelligence seems wildly implausible (surely the ISI did not plot to poison Kabul-bound beer, an enormously complex operation with limited pay off since US troops are not allowed to drink alcohol in Afghanistan), the WikiLeaks documents show a continued relationship between the ISI and the Taliban. This is not surprising. In the 1990s, the ISI helped create the Taliban and Pakistani support was decisive to the Taliban's capture of Kabul in 1996. WikiLeaks and the ISI-Taliban nexus | Peter Galbraith | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk


The ISI had been burned by the Bangladesh, who broke away due to ethnic diversity, and the Pakistanis remembered this., and would only support the Afghans against the Russians if they were fundementalists.

When push comes to shove, the ISI will repel the Taliban...remember the Red Mosque?

The real threat for the Pakistanis is, and always will be, India.

ISI plays a double game, they been doing it for a while now. They take US money, smile in our faces, and than aid and abit the Taliban at the same time. With them dismissing our CIA officers, I see no real reason for them to continue giving them aid moneys.

They understand power. According to Musharraf, the day after 9/11 he was given an ultimatium re: allow fly over, aid us vs. taliban, and in Afghanistan or be bombed 'back to the stone age (with Alley Oop).'http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/2277-us-threatened-bomb-pakistan-back-stone-age-after-9-11-musharraf.html
 
But now the Taliban are going to have the upper hand again, those drone strikes were taking our their upper and middle level leaders in Pakistan. Guess its time to pack it up in Afghanistan as well.

Of all this information, the most troubling concerns the duplicitous double dealing by Pakistan's powerful spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI. While some of the intelligence seems wildly implausible (surely the ISI did not plot to poison Kabul-bound beer, an enormously complex operation with limited pay off since US troops are not allowed to drink alcohol in Afghanistan), the WikiLeaks documents show a continued relationship between the ISI and the Taliban. This is not surprising. In the 1990s, the ISI helped create the Taliban and Pakistani support was decisive to the Taliban's capture of Kabul in 1996. WikiLeaks and the ISI-Taliban nexus | Peter Galbraith | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk


The ISI had been burned by the Bangladesh, who broke away due to ethnic diversity, and the Pakistanis remembered this., and would only support the Afghans against the Russians if they were fundementalists.

When push comes to shove, the ISI will repel the Taliban...remember the Red Mosque?

The real threat for the Pakistanis is, and always will be, India.

ISI plays a double game, they been doing it for a while now. They take US money, smile in our faces, and than aid and abit the Taliban at the same time. With them dismissing our CIA officers, I see no real reason for them to continue giving them aid moneys.

Well, here are two reasons:

1. Population of 170 million

2. The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) estimates that Pakistan has built 24-48 HEU-based nuclear warheads, and Carnegie reports that they have produced 585-800 kg of HEU, enough for 30-55 weapons. Pakistan Nuclear Weapons
 
Of all this information, the most troubling concerns the duplicitous double dealing by Pakistan's powerful spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI. While some of the intelligence seems wildly implausible (surely the ISI did not plot to poison Kabul-bound beer, an enormously complex operation with limited pay off since US troops are not allowed to drink alcohol in Afghanistan), the WikiLeaks documents show a continued relationship between the ISI and the Taliban. This is not surprising. In the 1990s, the ISI helped create the Taliban and Pakistani support was decisive to the Taliban's capture of Kabul in 1996. WikiLeaks and the ISI-Taliban nexus | Peter Galbraith | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk


The ISI had been burned by the Bangladesh, who broke away due to ethnic diversity, and the Pakistanis remembered this., and would only support the Afghans against the Russians if they were fundementalists.

When push comes to shove, the ISI will repel the Taliban...remember the Red Mosque?

The real threat for the Pakistanis is, and always will be, India.

ISI plays a double game, they been doing it for a while now. They take US money, smile in our faces, and than aid and abit the Taliban at the same time. With them dismissing our CIA officers, I see no real reason for them to continue giving them aid moneys.

Well, here are two reasons:

1. Population of 170 million

2. The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) estimates that Pakistan has built 24-48 HEU-based nuclear warheads, and Carnegie reports that they have produced 585-800 kg of HEU, enough for 30-55 weapons. Pakistan Nuclear Weapons


Yeah those nukes are a problem....:evil:
 
ISI plays a double game, they been doing it for a while now. They take US money, smile in our faces, and than aid and abit the Taliban at the same time. With them dismissing our CIA officers, I see no real reason for them to continue giving them aid moneys.

Well, here are two reasons:

1. Population of 170 million

2. The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) estimates that Pakistan has built 24-48 HEU-based nuclear warheads, and Carnegie reports that they have produced 585-800 kg of HEU, enough for 30-55 weapons. Pakistan Nuclear Weapons


Yeah those nukes are a problem....:evil:
Pakistan is not that stupid, if Pakistan hit the US, Israel would nuke the middle East (excluding Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq and Kuwait), the US would nuke Pakistan and the middle east (excluding Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq and Kuwait) several times over, India would nuke Pakistan and invade and capture Kashmir. Pakistan has been nothing less than a Taliban infiltrated theocracy ever since Musharraf left, the US could bomb Pakistan if it wants, but best to get out (they demand to be ruled by Taliban) and leave them to be ruled by Taliban. :lol:

PS: I guess Iran would be wiped off the map instead. :tongue:
 
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Well, here are two reasons:

1. Population of 170 million

2. The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) estimates that Pakistan has built 24-48 HEU-based nuclear warheads, and Carnegie reports that they have produced 585-800 kg of HEU, enough for 30-55 weapons. Pakistan Nuclear Weapons


Yeah those nukes are a problem....:evil:
Pakistan is not that stupid, if Pakistan hit the US, Israel would nuke the middle East (excluding Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq and Kuwait), the US would nuke Pakistan and the middle east (excluding Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq and Kuwait) several times over, India would nuke Pakistan and invade and capture Kashmir. Pakistan has been nothing less than a Taliban infiltrated theocracy ever since Musharraf left, the US could bomb Pakistan if it wants, but best to get out (they demand to be ruled by Taliban) and leave them to be ruled by Taliban. :lol:

PS: I guess Iran would be wiped off the map instead. :tongue:

Oh I don't believe Pakistan will nuke the US, however if the Taliban take control of Pakistan they essentially take control of those nukes as well, which is a huge problem. A Taliban controlled Nuclear State would be 10 times worse than North Korea.
 
Don't worry, they won't go any where as long as we're loyal (greedy) with The USA.

It was just to show to our nation that We Can Order to The USA. (It's the other story The USA takes it as a joke).

And I agree with High_Gravity, the Taliban-controlled Pakistan will be dangerous for the USA and many countries and even for us (nation) as well. ..
 
Don't worry, they won't go any where as long as we're loyal (greedy) with The USA.

It was just to show to our nation that We Can Order to The USA. (It's the other story The USA takes it as a joke).

And I agree with High_Gravity, the Taliban-controlled Pakistan will be dangerous for the USA and many countries and even for us (nation) as well. ..

Fine, but it can't carry on forever like this.
I suppose that Pakistan can't just act against the Taliban and Al-Qaeda due to public opinion but is there any attempt or willingness by the army and government to turn this around?
 
Public and public opinions are drived by the extreme clerics, whenever they want to make an issue of somethin, people go after them and make it an issue.

Army is being paid against their daily-doings. Whenever it is desired to attack on tribal areas, they pack up and do attack.

Pakistan is kind of I'm unable to understand.
 
Public and public opinions are drived by the extreme clerics, whenever they want to make an issue of somethin, people go after them and make it an issue.

Army is being paid against their daily-doings. Whenever it is desired to attack on tribal areas, they pack up and do attack.

Pakistan is kind of I'm unable to understand.

Do all people agree with the clerics or are they too scared to disagree with them?

When a bomb goes off in a street there never seems to be demonstrations against the people who did it.
 
Some agree and some are afraid to disagree with them.

Yes, most of the time people on their own, people don't go out in street to held demonstrations as to the powerful extremists can track those down or unfortunately, the other bomb may go off within the demonstration ..
 
Some agree and some are afraid to disagree with them.

Yes, most of the time people on their own, people don't go out in street to held demonstrations as to the powerful extremists can track those down or unfortunately, the other bomb may go off within the demonstration ..

Frightening.
 

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