Pagan Origins of [Insert Holiday]

Discussion in 'Religion and Ethics' started by Hobbit, Apr 16, 2006.

  1. Hobbit
    Offline

    Hobbit Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2004
    Messages:
    5,099
    Thanks Received:
    420
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Near Atlanta, GA
    Ratings:
    +421
    Ok, I'm sick of having to go after these things in seperate threads all the time, so here it is.

    I see all the time some people showing how Christmas, Easter, and all manner of other Christian holidays have pagan origins. The typical point of the article is a very subtle nudge that these holidays don't matter and/or Christians shouldn't celebrate them because some of the aspects of the holiday have their roots in another religion. First off, this is horse hockey. I doubt having an egg hunt at church on Easter is really going to corrupt the message that Jesus rose from the dead. After all, the egg on Easter is supposed to symbolize the new life that Jesus brought to the Earth. So, how did these holidays come about? I'm glad you asked.

    In the Middle Ages, the Catholic Church held sway over much of Europe and was trying to reach the areas it hadn't already. Well, there were a few examples in the Bible of using tenets of another religion to introduce a new populace to Jesus. The most notable was the apostle Paul proclaiming Jesus as the one represented by the statue of the unknown God in Athens. Well, they saw several pagan holidays coinciding with harvesting seasons and the solstices and equinoxes, and decided to capitalise them. The traditional pagan winter festival was a festival of lights, since days got longer after the solstice. Jesus was the light of the world, so they drew a parallel and put Christmas near the winter solstice so that when the newly converted thought of the winter solstice and the lengthening of days, they would think of Jesus as the light of the world.

    Next came Easter. In the spring, pagans celebrated the coming of new life as winter passed and plants budded and animals emerged from hibernation. Well, Jesus brought new life with his resurrection, so the church thought this would be a good way to teach the pagans about the resurrection. Thus, Easter was born.

    All Saints' Day was put in the spot of the fall harvest festival, when pagans thought the spirits of the dead went on a night of mischief. This didn't stick and the original holiday lives on in a bit more of a harmless way through Halloween, an eventual slurring of All Hallows' Eve.

    So, that is the origin of the so-called 'pagan' Christian holidays. No matter how they started, 1500 years of Christian symbolism and celebration have made them Christian holidays, and only a few symbols that have long since shed their original meaning remain of those dead religions.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  2. Nuc
    Offline

    Nuc Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2005
    Messages:
    2,377
    Thanks Received:
    140
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    Ratings:
    +141
    All religions grew out of and incorporate ideas from other religions or previous religions. All religions are related to each other, because they are all man made. Anybody who claims originality for a religion, or who expects a religion to be original is not too bright.
     
  3. Nienna
    Offline

    Nienna Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2005
    Messages:
    4,515
    Thanks Received:
    333
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Ohio
    Ratings:
    +333
    Yes! True! In the beginning of the world, there was one religion, one God, known to all people.
    See, here's where we disagree. :(
    Yay! We agree again!
     
  4. dilloduck
    Offline

    dilloduck Diamond Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2004
    Messages:
    53,240
    Thanks Received:
    5,552
    Trophy Points:
    1,850
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    Ratings:
    +6,403
    Whats wrong with religion being man made---After all, who made man?
     
  5. manu1959
    Offline

    manu1959 Left Coast Isolationist

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2004
    Messages:
    13,761
    Thanks Received:
    1,625
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    california
    Ratings:
    +1,626
    :alco:
    can you say L ron hubbard :alco:

    :alco:
     
  6. Bullypulpit
    Offline

    Bullypulpit Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2004
    Messages:
    5,849
    Thanks Received:
    378
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    Ratings:
    +379
    Prove your assertion.
     
  7. Bullypulpit
    Offline

    Bullypulpit Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2004
    Messages:
    5,849
    Thanks Received:
    378
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    Ratings:
    +379
    Ewww. Bad science fiction...Bad religion...Hard to tell the difference with L. Ron.
     
  8. Nienna
    Offline

    Nienna Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2005
    Messages:
    4,515
    Thanks Received:
    333
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Ohio
    Ratings:
    +333
    Hmm... Good question. I guess we could get into the difference between religion and faith. But God made every person with the ability (and the PURPOSE) to worship. So I'm sticking to the idea of religion being God-made.
     
  9. Nienna
    Offline

    Nienna Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2005
    Messages:
    4,515
    Thanks Received:
    333
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Ohio
    Ratings:
    +333
    LOL! Just expanding on Nuc's idea that all religions are related, and have similarities. I believe this is because they are all descended from a common source.
     
  10. dilloduck
    Offline

    dilloduck Diamond Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2004
    Messages:
    53,240
    Thanks Received:
    5,552
    Trophy Points:
    1,850
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    Ratings:
    +6,403
    Isn't religion the reason and manner of recognizing of recognizing what one sees as truth?
     

Share This Page